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[JSt0rm]

yeah guys im taking on so much work right its insane. I will be on to move my skills but its gonna be a bit. But thats part of what drew me to this game, I can still progress when rl gets busy

 

[DrunkenSano]

Game seems to be pretty interesting and doesn't require you to be online constantly, which is good. Six days in and I'm having some fun though not completely hooked yet, probably because I've decided to spend all my early days training Learn to 5 and Adv. Learn to atleast 4. I did finish the Sisters of Eve Epic Arc last night but apparently I wasn't suppose to finish it in a Tristan. I had to get help the last parts of two missions since I wasn't able to break through the enemy ship's armor and then shield tank. The guy who helped me on the second mission was shocked I was doing the missions in a Tristan.

Now it's just a waiting game to get the skill training finished before I can start learning stuff on my way to a final goal of Battleship.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
yeah guys im taking on so much work right its insane. I will be on to move my skills but its gonna be a bit. But thats part of what drew me to this game, I can still progress when rl gets busy

Don't worry about it. Play when you want to. I'll see you when you get back. Lately I have been logging on just to change skills too.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: DrunkenSano
Game seems to be pretty interesting and doesn't require you to be online constantly, which is good. Six days in and I'm having some fun though not completely hooked yet, probably because I've decided to spend all my early days training Learn to 5 and Adv. Learn to atleast 4. I did finish the Sisters of Eve Epic Arc last night but apparently I wasn't suppose to finish it in a Tristan. I had to get help the last parts of two missions since I wasn't able to break through the enemy ship's armor and then shield tank. The guy who helped me on the second mission was shocked I was doing the missions in a Tristan.

Now it's just a waiting game to get the skill training finished before I can start learning stuff on my way to a final goal of Battleship.

Yeah that's the big problem for new players. If you want to go for the long haul, you do learning skills first. But how do you know if you are going to go for the long haul when you first start? And how will you find that out if you are busy learning skills that don't open up new content? It's a terrible setup. There was talk about removing the learning skills entirely, or having them maxed at start. I think it's a big hurdle for new players.

 

[Genx87]

Learning skills were a poor idea and CCP has admitted it. But they wont change it due to so many people being forced to do them.

But I believe new players get an accelerated skill rate upto 1.5 million SPs. One can probably churn through the learning skills pretty quick. I personally only took the base and advanced skills to lvl 4.

 

[DrunkenSano]

How much of an impact does the +int and +mem implants have on speeding up skill training? So far I only have a +1 mem given to me from a mission. Grinding out some mission for this Sisters of Eve NPC at -19 reputation to save up some cash. Trying to decide if I should buy a +3 or higher mem/int implant as soon as possible to speed up learning some more.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

Originally posted by: DrunkenSano
How much of an impact does the +int and +mem implants have on speeding up skill training? So far I only have a +1 mem given to me from a mission. Grinding out some mission for this Sisters of Eve NPC at -19 reputation to save up some cash. Trying to decide if I should buy a +3 or higher mem/int implant as soon as possible to speed up learning some more.

with the base learning skills all at 5 and +4 implants. it took caldari BS 5 from 45 days to 25 days....so yeah..its worth it.

 

[Michael]

I always say you can make more isk but you can never make up time. +3 implants are pretty cheap and will greatly speed up your training.

Michael

 

[DrunkenSano]

Sounds good, guess I will grind out some missions till I have enough to grab some +3 implants. I think +4 are too high and out of my range for now, since I spent most of my ISK on the advance learning books. I think after today I will have both learning and adv. learning to level 4, then it's grinding out the basics to level 5.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Michael
I always say you can make more isk but you can never make up time. +3 implants are pretty cheap and will greatly speed up your training.

Michael

The nice thing about +3 implants is that they're so cheap these days that you don't have to freak out about getting podded.

 

[unsped]

i just tried the trial, interesting game although the learning curve coupled with being unable to read anything except the chat window turned me off.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Michael
I always say you can make more isk but you can never make up time. +3 implants are pretty cheap and will greatly speed up your training.

Michael

The nice thing about +3 implants is that they're so cheap these days that you don't have to freak out about getting podded.

Heh... unless I'm looking at something wrong they are 10 million a piece for +3. That seems fairly expensive to me.

Right now I'm working on Hull Upgrades V anyway... 7 days to go. Maybe I'll be able to buy one or two of those once I'm done, though I'm trying to save up for a Myrmidon.

 

[nsafreak]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Michael
I always say you can make more isk but you can never make up time. +3 implants are pretty cheap and will greatly speed up your training.

Michael

The nice thing about +3 implants is that they're so cheap these days that you don't have to freak out about getting podded.

Heh... unless I'm looking at something wrong they are 10 million a piece for +3. That seems fairly expensive to me.

Right now I'm working on Hull Upgrades V anyway... 7 days to go. Maybe I'll be able to buy one or two of those once I'm done, though I'm trying to save up for a Myrmidon.

Well for some folks 50 million isn't all that much. Ratting in 0.0 space can easily pull down that much in an evening of ratting. There are some other activities that can provide pretty high income. Although I will grant not all are easily accessible to a newer player.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Managed to grind out some more missions with the Sisters of Eve to be able to plunk down 10.8 mil for the +3. Had to do some missions in 0.4 space which was interesting, was sort of hyped up that going below 0.4 you could die instantly and stuff, didn't really happen though, in fact, there were very little people in the 0.4 system and they weren't near the gates.

Trying to find a better agent in safer space now that I have spent all of my ISK on the +3 implant. Rather not get podded, I found it odd that I was getting the same missions and similar payouts for agents with quality -14, +14... trying out an agent of quality 0 now.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: DrunkenSano
Managed to grind out some more missions with the Sisters of Eve to be able to plunk down 10.8 mil for the +3. Had to do some missions in 0.4 space which was interesting, was sort of hyped up that going below 0.4 you could die instantly and stuff, didn't really happen though, in fact, there were very little people in the 0.4 system and they weren't near the gates.

Trying to find a better agent in safer space now that I have spent all of my ISK on the +3 implant. Rather not get podded, I found it odd that I was getting the same missions and similar payouts for agents with quality -14, +14... trying out an agent of quality 0 now.

It depends on the space you go into. Some areas are fiercely guarded by their "owners" while others are just patrolled casually by more casual pirates. I wouldn't run missions in low security space you don't own, unless you keep watch for combat probes.

I'll make you a deal though. I need Sisters Combat and Core probes (The expanded probe launcher would be nice to) and since you are running missions with them and are gaining standing, I will buy and trade you all the rest of the +3 implants for you, for an expanded probe launcher, combat probes, and core probes from the sisters. (I have enough standing with Scope to get the whole set of implants without a problem, since I almost never use my loyalty points.)

 

[DrunkenSano]

Might take me a while since it looks like the L1 missions don't give a lot of loyalty points, but I will keep you updated on my progress. With my new implant, I've moved to a 0.6 station that is bordered by two 0.5 so hopefully it won't send me farther out to a 0.4 system. I'll check the amount of Loyalty Points needed on the items you are looking for and let you know if I can accrue enough LP in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[Martimus]

If you can fly a Cruiser, start running L2 misisons. They are much better than L1 for loyalty points. L3 is where the big jump is though (where Missioning starts to become profitable). L4 missioning is probably the most reliable ISK revenue for players, and you can make quite a bit grinding L4 missions, without having to worry about things like people probing you to gank you (like in plexes), or having a larger alliance decide they want your moon and drop 20 dreads to take it, or having to worry about the market changing for trades.

If you haven't trained them yet, train Connections to 3 and Social to 4. Those two things will get you standings in no time. It only took me maybe a week to go from L2 to L4 missions with Scope, and I was only playing maybe 3 hours a day. You are going to want to fly a Battle Cruiser for L3 missions, and a Battleship for L4 missions. I use a Myrmidon for L3 and a Dominix for L4 missions, but each race has their own mission running setups that work well. Caldari generally use Drakes for L3 and Ravens for L4. Not sure about Minmatar or Amarr though.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Michael
I always say you can make more isk but you can never make up time. +3 implants are pretty cheap and will greatly speed up your training.

Michael

The nice thing about +3 implants is that they're so cheap these days that you don't have to freak out about getting podded.

Heh... unless I'm looking at something wrong they are 10 million a piece for +3. That seems fairly expensive to me.

Right now I'm working on Hull Upgrades V anyway... 7 days to go. Maybe I'll be able to buy one or two of those once I'm done, though I'm trying to save up for a Myrmidon.

The Myrmidon is probably the better short term investment, since it will let you solo just about any L3 mission there is. On average, you can make 5M ISK for a L3 mission, so runa few each day and you will have your money back in no time. Then you can start buying implants (which you can get for around 5M ISK from the loyalty store IIRC)

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Michael
I always say you can make more isk but you can never make up time. +3 implants are pretty cheap and will greatly speed up your training.

Michael

The nice thing about +3 implants is that they're so cheap these days that you don't have to freak out about getting podded.

Heh... unless I'm looking at something wrong they are 10 million a piece for +3. That seems fairly expensive to me.

Right now I'm working on Hull Upgrades V anyway... 7 days to go. Maybe I'll be able to buy one or two of those once I'm done, though I'm trying to save up for a Myrmidon.

The Myrmidon is probably the better short term investment, since it will let you solo just about any L3 mission there is. On average, you can make 5M ISK for a L3 mission, so runa few each day and you will have your money back in no time. Then you can start buying implants (which you can get for around 5M ISK from the loyalty store IIRC)

OK I'll do that.

Reason I was doing Hull Upgrades V also was someone posted their Myrmidon and some of the stuff they had fitted needed Hull Upgrades V and it look pretty good.

I can already fly it. And I have Hammerhead II's (just got them).

Right now I am doing L2 missions but in a .9 sec zone (Ourselaunt (SP?)). Should I try to go to like a .6 sec zone or does it matter that much?

 

[DrunkenSano]

Originally posted by: Martimus
If you can fly a Cruiser, start running L2 misisons. They are much better than L1 for loyalty points. L3 is where the big jump is though (where Missioning starts to become profitable). L4 missioning is probably the most reliable ISK revenue for players, and you can make quite a bit grinding L4 missions, without having to worry about things like people probing you to gank you (like in plexes), or having a larger alliance decide they want your moon and drop 20 dreads to take it, or having to worry about the market changing for trades.

If you haven't trained them yet, train Connections to 3 and Social to 4. Those two things will get you standings in no time. It only took me maybe a week to go from L2 to L4 missions with Scope, and I was only playing maybe 3 hours a day. You are going to want to fly a Battle Cruiser for L3 missions, and a Battleship for L4 missions. I use a Myrmidon for L3 and a Dominix for L4 missions, but each race has their own mission running setups that work well. Caldari generally use Drakes for L3 and Ravens for L4. Not sure about Minmatar or Amarr though.

No Cruiser yet, no real combat training besides upping Engineering one level to fit a Nos on my Tristan. My character is only 9 days fresh so he's still working on Learning skills. I dumped all my first small amount of ISK on the Adv Learning books which costs a couple of mil and then the +3 implant. I have 4's across the board now and will be going after the Learning 5, I probably won't go for Adv Learn 5 yet though, not sure yet.

As for the types of ships, my play style fits a more in your face pew pew than sit back and watch my drones duke it out. So I was thinking of making a Thorax gunboat, then Brutix gunboat, and finally Hyperion/Kronos.

It's still early though so I certainly have options.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: DrunkenSano

Originally posted by: Martimus
If you can fly a Cruiser, start running L2 misisons. They are much better than L1 for loyalty points. L3 is where the big jump is though (where Missioning starts to become profitable). L4 missioning is probably the most reliable ISK revenue for players, and you can make quite a bit grinding L4 missions, without having to worry about things like people probing you to gank you (like in plexes), or having a larger alliance decide they want your moon and drop 20 dreads to take it, or having to worry about the market changing for trades.

If you haven't trained them yet, train Connections to 3 and Social to 4. Those two things will get you standings in no time. It only took me maybe a week to go from L2 to L4 missions with Scope, and I was only playing maybe 3 hours a day. You are going to want to fly a Battle Cruiser for L3 missions, and a Battleship for L4 missions. I use a Myrmidon for L3 and a Dominix for L4 missions, but each race has their own mission running setups that work well. Caldari generally use Drakes for L3 and Ravens for L4. Not sure about Minmatar or Amarr though.

No Cruiser yet, no real combat training besides upping Engineering one level to fit a Nos on my Tristan. My character is only 9 days fresh so he's still working on Learning skills. I dumped all my first small amount of ISK on the Adv Learning books which costs a couple of mil and then the +3 implant. I have 4's across the board now and will be going after the Learning 5, I probably won't go for Adv Learn 5 yet though, not sure yet.

As for the types of ships, my play style fits a more in your face pew pew than sit back and watch my drones duke it out. So I was thinking of making a Thorax gunboat, then Brutix gunboat, and finally Hyperion/Kronos.

It's still early though so I certainly have options.

All true, I wouldn't bother training the learning skills to 5 this early, since it makes the early game so boring and restrictive. L4 is probably good enough, and my main character hasn't even done that (adv. learning is only at 3). Engineering 5 and Electronics 5 are a godsend for fitting. Especially for the Thorax. Weapons Upgrades and Advanced Weapons Upgrades really help the blaster boats you plan on using as well. The Thorax has really treated me well thus far, and I can't blame you for wanting to go that route. It is just a better PvP ship than a Mission ship.

 

[Martimus]

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Martimus

Originally posted by: datalink7

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: Michael
I always say you can make more isk but you can never make up time. +3 implants are pretty cheap and will greatly speed up your training.

Michael

The nice thing about +3 implants is that they're so cheap these days that you don't have to freak out about getting podded.

Heh... unless I'm looking at something wrong they are 10 million a piece for +3. That seems fairly expensive to me.

Right now I'm working on Hull Upgrades V anyway... 7 days to go. Maybe I'll be able to buy one or two of those once I'm done, though I'm trying to save up for a Myrmidon.

The Myrmidon is probably the better short term investment, since it will let you solo just about any L3 mission there is. On average, you can make 5M ISK for a L3 mission, so runa few each day and you will have your money back in no time. Then you can start buying implants (which you can get for around 5M ISK from the loyalty store IIRC)

OK I'll do that.

Reason I was doing Hull Upgrades V also was someone posted their Myrmidon and some of the stuff they had fitted needed Hull Upgrades V and it look pretty good.

I can already fly it. And I have Hammerhead II's (just got them).

Right now I am doing L2 missions but in a .9 sec zone (Ourselaunt (SP?)). Should I try to go to like a .6 sec zone or does it matter that much?

Ours is a nice place, because it is a market hub as well. You can move on the Luminaire from there if you want for L3 missions (since it is only a few jumps away). The nice thing about lower security places is that the rewards increase, and the local population decreases - which means there are less people who are going to scan out your salvage and steal it from you. I mission in a 0.5 security system, but then I live in Low Sec so I know how to handle the missions that run through low security space.

Hull Upgrades 5 is a very important skill. I agree that you should train that. I believe it is needed for all T2 hardeners and the EANM II as well. Both are the back bone of any armor tank.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: Martimus. Caldari generally use Drakes for L3 and Ravens for L4. Not sure about Minmatar or Amarr though.

If you're running Minmatar ships, you'll probably want a Hurricane. Traditionally an armor tank, but I've read it being used as a passive shield tank. It's also widely known as the better BC vs the Cyclone I fly. However, passive shield Cyclone has an awesome tank, and Martimus has seen it in action.

According to the Eve forums, the Caldari missile spam boats are the hands-down best missioner ships. Passive Heavy assault missile Drake or Heavy Missile Raven Navy Issue are the two most often used. Passive hamdrakes can do some L4s even.

I run L3s with my main in a passive shield artillery Cyclone and my alt in a passive shield missile spam Drake.

edit: acronyms ahoy!

 

[Genx87]

So I ran into lvl 3 Blockade the other night. What a doozy of a mission. It basically forced me to spend cash and get T2 equipment.

I now have T2 cap chargers, armor hardeners, drones, and armor repairer.

Current Ship looks like this

Myrmidon

Highs
Salvager
Salvager
Tractor Beam
Tractor Beam
250mm Rail Gun I
250mm Rail Gun I


Mids
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner I

Lows
Medium Armor Repairer II
EANM II
Mission Specific Harder II
Mission Specific Harder II
Mission Specific Harder II
1600 Rolled Tungsten

I just started working on my gun skills, but taking a small detour to finish out my T2 medium drone skills. Also seriously debating getting an alt that will follow me and salvage in something like a destroyer or something with a lot of capacity and at least 4 turrets.

 

[JRich]

[Myrmidon, L3 Go Fast]
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution <-- or a web
10MN Afterburner II

200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Garde II x3