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[Martimus]

So I take it there are better options than Eve-University? I figured it was about time I get to finding a new corp, and was hoping I might be able to be lazy about it and just join an established newbie one - like Eve-University.

Eve-U may be fine to join. I don't have experience with them other than seeing them on occasion through low-sec, or seeing some ex members in low-sec. I can tell you one thing, they don't know how to PvP effectively in low-sec. Even their ex-members are very bad at it.

I did try to join them before I joined my current corp. They were in the middle of a war, so I couldn't join. Worked out great for me, as Michael recruited me, and now I am in Chain of Chaos, and have a lot of fun playing.

I have to admit that I enjoy PvP more than any other aspect of the game, so the other things in the game are just prep work so I can fight more battles. I do enjoy running a 6/10 plex with a couple friends to get isk, but I will pick fighting a real player over a plex any time of the week. So my opinions are skewed more towards PvP than many others, and you may find other things more enjoyable.

EDIT: I guess it depends on what you want to get out of your corporation. If you want to learn to effectively PvP, then Eve-U is definitely NOT for you. In that case I would suggest joining an established pirate corp, as that is what they do. I am in one and could bring you in if you are interested. If not, I will give you some suggestions as some of the pirate corps are not worth joining and may be detrimental to your PvP development just like joining Eve-U would be.

If you want to join a corp where they help you to learn the ins and outs of different Care-Bear activities (missioning, manufacturing, trading), then I think this is where Eve-U shines. I don't know this for sure, but they have to be good at something if they are such a successfull corporation.

 

[Martimus]

We went on a very long roam and found no targets. While we were about 20 jumps from home, our intel reported that there was a Macharial piloted by a station and gate hugging pilot that comes and bothers us from time to time. We get 5 jumps away and he leaves system. For some reason he decides to go to Eve Gate and a couple of us switch ships into ships that can slow the fast ship down.

This time we catch him at gate and there is no escape:

http://nawti.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1483143

5 of my corp mates were on the kill (including me). We did blob him, but he has been highly annoying recently.

Michael (Myrdin Potter)

He wasn't very bright to be taking a 1.4B ISK ship around without a scout, but I think that our long roam actually helped us out on this occasion. If all of us were around Antem, he might have thought twice about going down the chain to find targets, but since Antem was pretty well empty with us on a roam, he probably felt more secure.

 

[Ross Ridge]

So I take it there are better options than Eve-University? I figured it was about time I get to finding a new corp, and was hoping I might be able to be lazy about it and just join an established newbie one - like Eve-University.

There really aren't many easy options other than EVE University if you want to get into organized group PvP as a new player. Faction warfare is a newbie's easiest way into group PvP, but that means joining a NPC corporation, so it's probably not going to be as organized or offer new players as much help. There's also Red versus Blue, which should offer structure, but I don't know how much training goes on there. On the other hand you can join and leave faction warfare at will, and you should be able to do the same with Red versus Blue.

 

[TheVrolok]

We went on a very long roam and found no targets. While we were about 20 jumps from home, our intel reported that there was a Macharial piloted by a station and gate hugging pilot that comes and bothers us from time to time. We get 5 jumps away and he leaves system. For some reason he decides to go to Eve Gate and a couple of us switch ships into ships that can slow the fast ship down.

This time we catch him at gate and there is no escape:

http://nawti.evekb.co.uk/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=1483143

5 of my corp mates were on the kill (including me). We did blob him, but he has been highly annoying recently.

Michael (Myrdin Potter)

Wow, what terribly unfortunate drops for you guys.

 

[Martimus]

Wow, what terribly unfortunate drops for you guys.

Yeah. 1.4B ISK kill, 40M ISK worth of drops.

Somewhat amazing considering there were only a hand full of mods that weren't faction, deadspace, or officer mods, yet only one drop was faction, and there were no deadspace or officer drops.

 

[Visaoni]

Eve-U may be fine to join. I don't have experience with them other than seeing them on occasion through low-sec, or seeing some ex members in low-sec. I can tell you one thing, they don't know how to PvP effectively in low-sec. Even their ex-members are very bad at it.

I did try to join them before I joined my current corp. They were in the middle of a war, so I couldn't join. Worked out great for me, as Michael recruited me, and now I am in Chain of Chaos, and have a lot of fun playing.

I have to admit that I enjoy PvP more than any other aspect of the game, so the other things in the game are just prep work so I can fight more battles. I do enjoy running a 6/10 plex with a couple friends to get isk, but I will pick fighting a real player over a plex any time of the week. So my opinions are skewed more towards PvP than many others, and you may find other things more enjoyable.

EDIT: I guess it depends on what you want to get out of your corporation. If you want to learn to effectively PvP, then Eve-U is definitely NOT for you. In that case I would suggest joining an established pirate corp, as that is what they do. I am in one and could bring you in if you are interested. If not, I will give you some suggestions as some of the pirate corps are not worth joining and may be detrimental to your PvP development just like joining Eve-U would be.

If you want to join a corp where they help you to learn the ins and outs of different Care-Bear activities (missioning, manufacturing, trading), then I think this is where Eve-U shines. I don't know this for sure, but they have to be good at something if they are such a successfull corporation.

Well, I'm not terribly certain what I should be doing right now. I do want to get into PvP eventually, but my skills are pretty poor. I just broke 2.5M sp the other day, and a not-insignificant amount of those are put towards flying Retrievers. I would also have trouble funding frequent losses of anything higher than a destroyer, as right now my income is all from level 2's, and mining in the aforementioned Retriever. Of course, I do have 200+ items sitting in both Jita and Rens that I should get rid of.

Speaking of excess items, what is the best way to get rid of them? Just sell them to anybody with a halfway decent buy order, sell orders at significantly below the current Jita/Rens price, or sell orders a little below the current, and micromanage them 1+ times a day?

 

[Martimus]

Well, I'm not terribly certain what I should be doing right now. I do want to get into PvP eventually, but my skills are pretty poor. I just broke 2.5M sp the other day, and a not-insignificant amount of those are put towards flying Retrievers. I would also have trouble funding frequent losses of anything higher than a destroyer, as right now my income is all from level 2's, and mining in the aforementioned Retriever. Of course, I do have 200+ items sitting in both Jita and Rens that I should get rid of.

Speaking of excess items, what is the best way to get rid of them? Just sell them to anybody with a halfway decent buy order, sell orders at significantly below the current Jita/Rens price, or sell orders a little below the current, and micromanage them 1+ times a day?

You can sell common T1 equipment for large profit (percentage wise) in rookie systems (the systems where the initial tutorial kicks you out to.) This isn't worth enough to older players because even though the profit percentage is high, the total ISK value is low (Making 1000% profit on something you bought for 1,000 ISK is still only 10,000 ISK) so they aren't being regularly stocked by competitors.

I would just put all the Meta 3 and 4 mods on the market at average prices in Jita, and reprocess the rest and sell the minerals. Since you trained for mining, you probably already have good reprocessing skills. This is quick and easy, and you will get your ISK with minimal micromanaging.

 

[Visaoni]

You can sell common T1 equipment for large profit (percentage wise) in rookie systems (the systems where the initial tutorial kicks you out to.) This isn't worth enough to older players because even though the profit percentage is high, the total ISK value is low (Making 1000% profit on something you bought for 1,000 ISK is still only 10,000 ISK) so they aren't being regularly stocked by competitors.

I would just put all the Meta 3 and 4 mods on the market at average prices in Jita, and reprocess the rest and sell the minerals. Since you trained for mining, you probably already have good reprocessing skills. This is quick and easy, and you will get your ISK with minimal micromanaging.

Actually my refining skills are minimal. When I was playing before I was part of a larger corp that took care of refining/selling/whatever the materials for us. We just mined it, handed it over, and got our isk. I suppose I could take a few days to get passable refining skills.

Do you have any opinion on when it makes the most sense (skill- and isk-wise) to jump into PvP generally, and more specifically a pirate corp?

 

[Michael]

My general recommendation for low sec PvP is that you need to be able to fly a BC fairly well. For 0.0, you need to be able to fly a cruiser fairly well to be most useful. Fairly well means the main skills (fit, tank and gank) to at least 4. At that point, you'll be a useful PvPer. You can do it with lower skills, but sentry guns in low sec = a need for a BC to do most PvP (except in belts and such or vs. outlaw targets where you get no sentry fire).

Michael

 

[v8envy]

Location, location, location. The Agony PvP class routinely leads (used to lead?) successful 0.0 frigate blob roams filled with people whose combat skills could best be described as "just off trial." Other than being ganked in Amamake (I had no instas, slowboating 15km to the gate ftl) that was my intro to eve PvP nearly 4 years ago, and I still remember it fondly.

So it really does depend on where, how and what you're intending for your "PvP".

You might want to consider that there is very little "PvP" as you would imagine -- most of eve combat is more like "P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P v P." Skill, fit, ship type and experience do matter. But less so than pure numbers. Setting up the gank is the hard part, the actual act of ganking is often anti-climactic.

 

[TheVrolok]

Other than being ganked in Amamake (I had no instas, slowboating 15km to the gate ftl) that was my intro to eve PvP nearly 4 years ago, and I still remember it fondly.

Mmmm Amamake.

 

[Acanthus]

Location, location, location. The Agony PvP class routinely leads (used to lead?) successful 0.0 frigate blob roams filled with people whose combat skills could best be described as "just off trial." Other than being ganked in Amamake (I had no instas, slowboating 15km to the gate ftl) that was my intro to eve PvP nearly 4 years ago, and I still remember it fondly.

So it really does depend on where, how and what you're intending for your "PvP".

You might want to consider that there is very little "PvP" as you would imagine -- most of eve combat is more like "P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P v P." Skill, fit, ship type and experience do matter. But less so than pure numbers. Setting up the gank is the hard part, the actual act of ganking is often anti-climactic.

I gets climactic in 0.0 because interdictors and heavy interdictors get involved

 

[Visaoni]

Location, location, location. The Agony PvP class routinely leads (used to lead?) successful 0.0 frigate blob roams filled with people whose combat skills could best be described as "just off trial." Other than being ganked in Amamake (I had no instas, slowboating 15km to the gate ftl) that was my intro to eve PvP nearly 4 years ago, and I still remember it fondly.

So it really does depend on where, how and what you're intending for your "PvP".

You might want to consider that there is very little "PvP" as you would imagine -- most of eve combat is more like "P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P&P v P." Skill, fit, ship type and experience do matter. But less so than pure numbers. Setting up the gank is the hard part, the actual act of ganking is often anti-climactic.

I looked up those Agony PvP classes, and they look quite promising. I'm going to do my best to get into the next one. If I can figure out how to make isk while mostly pvping without a second account, I may just attempt to eventually get into Agony. Sounds like it should be a fun corp.

 

[heat901]

I am really tempted to come back I just dont know if i have the free time.....I have a character with around 12 mil sp if I decided to play could someone hook me up with a corp invite?

 

[ichy]

I had some free time yesterday and decided to start dabbling in commerce. I started out an alt on a free trial account, and used that character to check the prices of missiles and ammo in some of the more distant high-sec regions. When I found places where missiles & bullets were selling for a lot more than in Jita I loaded up a badger full of them, hauled them out and put them on the market. I'm curious to see how that works out for me. I also discovered that there's still money to be made in ninja-salvaging, even if it's less plentiful than in the past.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Yeah, I just finished with the initial learning skills (for the most part), and am starting to train useful skills. Right now I am focusing on things like electronics, engineering, and repair skills. I figure I should be able to quickly become a useful corp member if I can do pointing, and jamming, even if I am in a little frigit....

 

[TheVrolok]

I am really tempted to come back I just dont know if i have the free time.....I have a character with around 12 mil sp if I decided to play could someone hook me up with a corp invite?

I'm sure Michael or Martimus would be willing. Just search the thread, they've both listed their character names.

 

[ichy]

If anyone here would be interested in joining up with me for some amateur piracy feel free to give me a PM. Piracy seems to work best if you have one player with a scan ship and a second with a combat ship, so it could probably be a lot of fun to team up with someone else.

 

[Daishiki]

There really aren't many easy options other than EVE University if you want to get into organized group PvP as a new player. Faction warfare is a newbie's easiest way into group PvP, but that means joining a NPC corporation, so it's probably not going to be as organized or offer new players as much help. There's also Red versus Blue, which should offer structure, but I don't know how much training goes on there. On the other hand you can join and leave faction warfare at will, and you should be able to do the same with Red versus Blue.

I thought I had heard about a corp that was focused on fighting in null. I believe it is called CEPTA. The guy who writes the "A Mule in Eve" blog is a trainer/recruiter.

 

[getbush]

I played for a couple weeks last summer, then re-uped a few days ago. I have less than 1M sp. Got bored again, took an incursus out to scramble someone and shoot them (never have). Took forever to find a 0.4 with any activity. Got owned by sentry gun at a gate. Woops.

 

[nsafreak]

Another option if you want to get into nullsec space is my old corp Airhawk Enterprizes. I still talk with all of the guys in there so drop me a line if you're interested and I'll talk with you to see if you'd fit in with the corp. Ingame I go by the handle Simon Monkoto. Feel free to chat with me about other matters as well in game. I've done a fair variety of things in game from leading fleets to setting up POSs and I've gotten pretty well invested into the new Planetary Interaction. Getbush: Do you prefer to pvp over most other activities in EVE? If so I could probably point you in the direction of a few pvp/pirate corps if you're interested. EVE is one of those MMOs were it really shines when you're part of a corp. You can do plenty solo, but so much more as part of a corp.

 

[ichy]

Here's a question for the more experienced EVEers. How likely am I to get suicide ganked if I'm flying a badger full of cargo around high-sec on autopilot? As I mentioned in a previous post I've started hauling missiles & ammo out from Jita to systems where these items sell for more money, but doing 15 or 20 jumps manually gets boooooring. Is it reasonably safe to hit the autopilot once I'm out of Jita, or is that a good way to get my Badger blown to pieces?

 

[Fallen Kell]

I will preface that I am extremely new, but I think I know a bit. ppatin, I think the answer would be it depends. If you are in a corp that has enemies, no. If you are in an alliance which has enemies, no. If you travel through a system which is 0.5, no....

 

[ichy]

From what I understand Concord response time is slower in lower sec systems, so it sounds like autopiloting through 0.8 and 0.9 systems is safer than 0.5 or 0.6.

 

[Michael]

If you're just hauling T1 ammo around, you are pretty safe. If you have high value goods, then a simple hauler gets more dangerous. I use a simple rule of thumb - really only takes 1 gank BC or a gank BS to be sure to kill a hauler. So if 50% x my cargo value is significantly over the cost of a BS (even after insurance, the fittings cost isk), I consider autopilot to be risky.

Michael (Myrdin Potter)

PS - In reference to PvP, Eve is an MMO and there are massive bonuses available for being in a fleet. As much fun as a good solo fight is, I have no hesitation to massively blob targets. If they whine, I tell them it is not my fault they have no friends. The good news is that low sec fights are much less bloby than 0.0