EVE!

[hrbngr2]

KaOTiK,
Per the Indy/Orca reselling method, how much time per day would you say you need to make this work? As I see it, you need time to fly multiple AFK trips, updating market orders, etc. Also, wouldn't this kind of method would require logging in at least every other day?

I have about 2-3 house of play time about 4 days a week. My current goals are to get all chars to be maxed out w/5 x L4 R&D agents for datacores, and then be able to multibox 3 miners (0.5sec kernite/etc) and an Orca, or multibox 2x combat pilots (usually tengu speed tanking w/gank BS) and a perfect skilled Noctis salvage pilot for missioning--mostly likely focused on blood raider missions/space since they and ?angels? usually have the best salvage, from what I have read.

These methods won't really pay for multiple accounts though, unless I constantly grind for ISK, which is not really appealing at this point. I wouldn't mind trying a method similar to yours--if only I have enough time to make it work...

 

[KaOTiK]

The amount of trips can vary so much depending on 1, what you sell, and 2, how much you are selling. Generally when I'm going to do a trip, I stock up on anything that is starting to dip low. I keep a lot of backup stuff in the hangar. If lots of larger ships are selling I just use the freighter though.

I generally don't need to do more than 1 trip a day to each location at most. Sometimes though shit just sells like crazy and I'll do 2 trips, if I can I'll just fly a t2 covops transport to make it real quick instead.

I check my orders on 3 of my alts 2-3 times a day. My main trader I tend to check 6 times a day. I work from home so I always have eve open in the background. I know the times my competition for those areas is on and when the buyers tend to buy so I keep that in mind.

 

[hrbngr2]

Thanks for the reply...WFH is a sweet gig for sure. Time constraints have been my main concern in terms of trading esp since I am online from 12am-3am EST. I might have to consider just focusing on missioning for now...though I do think that it would be worth it to find a few systems where trading might be possible.

 

[Kadarin]

"It is CCP's plan..."

What about the investment banker MBA types who are financing CCP?

/tinfoil hat

Actually, I thought it was a good response, and unless anything crazy happens I'll resub at the end of July when my current sub runs out. I tried Perpetuum Online briefly, but the Mac client was unstable enough to crash twice in about 15 minutes of gameplay. Yay. That game looked interesting, though.

 

[v8envy]

They don't PLAN to introduce GAME-BREAKING items bought for cash. But it's CCP. You know what that means.

I've been unsubbed since fall of 2010, absolutely no urge to go back seeing this. That, and I can't 3x client on one box any more.

 

[uber_vexed]

I happened to be reading over these posts tonight about EVE and people's comments about how EVE is starting to decline, and felt the need to post something after what happened to me today. I've played Eve for years now, and all of a sudden today I get an email that they've suspended one of my accounts. No explanation, no warning, no reason, just a short couple of lines saying it's suspended. So now I have to petition just to say - for what reason? I have a feeling it may have something to do with another person just looking to screw me over and get me banned because I made him angry. So he probably went and lied about who knows what, and I get banned based on his lies, with no opportunity from them to explain anything.

What pissed me off so bad about this besides the obvious is the encounters I have had with other players and the blatant disrespect for others that they have, and CCP allows them to get away with it. I had one instance where some grown men said some extremely vulgar and disturbing things towards me and carried on about it for some time to harass me. When I petitioned CCP about it they dismissed it, that it was not a bannable offense. That's just one example of hundreds of where people are allowed to get away with anything and everything, yet I get banned with no reason given. Am I the only one who sees something wrong here?

I already knew of some of the things going on 'behind the scenes' at CCP, but it was interesting to read the posts here about the problems they're having. I agree the game has definitely taken a turn for the worse here lately, and I find solace in the knowledge that the idiot GM's and game owners are ruining their name, game, and relationship with their current customers. I can only hope and pray they continue down that path - and as stupid as saying 'pray' is in this situation, I hope you all realize I'm mocking them.

The egos of the EVE players are only surpassed by the ego's of the GM's and the lazy programmers.

I'm sure I can't be the only one who's appalled at the behavior of all those involved with EVE, other players and CCP included. This suspension really ticked me off tonight.

 

[Ross Ridge]

When I petitioned CCP about it they dismissed it, that it was not a bannable offense. That's just one example of hundreds of where people are allowed to get away with anything and everything, yet I get banned with no reason given. Am I the only one who sees something wrong here?

Probably. Harrassing someone in chat doesn't get you an automatic ban. CCP expects you to deal with the problem simply by blocking them. I've got almost 100 people on my blocked list. EVE Online has the worst player base I've ever encountered in a MMORPG. If they banned people for what they say in chat they'd lose a large percentage of their player base.

As for your ban, are you sure your account has actually been disabled? I've gotten a number of e-mail messages telling me that my non-existant World of Warcraft account has been banned. Otherwise, yes, they should've said what got you banned. Generally insta-banning only happens for things that cause CCP problems, like exploits or isk buyers. Hopefully this was just a mistake on their part and it'll get resolved quickly.

 

[KaOTiK]

EVE Online has the worst player base I've ever encountered in a MMORPG.

You have obviously never played WoW.

While Eves player base is pretty bad by normal standards, compared to other MMO's it is a down right utopia almost.

 

[novasatori]

I had an account suspended just because someone else logged into it, so its really hard to say why

they are pretty good about responding to suspensions in my experience, I had mine reversed within a couple hours of it happening

 

[Fallen Kell]

uber_vexed,

CCP posted about a fake email scam going on. I don't know if that is what you had or if it was a legit ban. In anycase, the fake emails have been sending people to places like "evegate.com" or similar which are not owned by CCP and are scams to get your login information.

In anycase, they have also been doing a lot of automated bans lately cracking down on botters again. Just about all the major mining bot programs have been detected now and are getting banned. Mission bots are next on their list and they have already started banning many of those. Good market bots are the most difficult to ban, but the stupid ones (like 24/7 updating market orders every 5-15 minutes) are getting banned. There is also some new flagging system to flag someone as a potential bot, and that seems to be getting a lot of abuse, which might be what got you.

 

[ichy]

I dabbled around in trading some more this weekend, and while it seems pretty easy to find items which sell for a premium 20 or 30 jumps away from Jita it also seems tough to sell enough volume to make a serious profit. Oh well, I figure if I keep playing around I ought to become better at this.

 

[RisenZealot]

You have obviously never played WoW.

While Eves player base is pretty bad by normal standards, compared to other MMO's it is a down right utopia almost.

I disagree I mean it's not even close. If people think the "elitist" in WoW are bad who raid 6 days a week at 10 hours a night try playing EvE online for 20 minutes and asking a simple question....

EvE community is HORRIBLE. BUT that works great with that game as it's the only mmo I know of that has nothing to do with scams and harrassment of other players. It's as real as a futuristic space game can be imo.

 

[1ceHacka]

I dabbled around in trading some more this weekend, and while it seems pretty easy to find items which sell for a premium 20 or 30 jumps away from Jita it also seems tough to sell enough volume to make a serious profit. Oh well, I figure if I keep playing around I ought to become better at this.

I've run into this as well. I am roughly the same distance from Jita in an obvious bottleneck system that leads to null sec, yet the items I've purchased are moving so slowly that its not even worth it. I'm going to wait a few more days before I pull them and move to another location.

 

[ichy]

What I might end up doing is setting up shop in a bunch of systems, haul stuff that'll always sell in some quantities (tech 2 and faction missiles & ammo come to mind) and just leave them there on 3 month sell orders. Pretty minimal effort, although I'll never make a ton of isk off of it.

 

[Fallen Kell]

Well, just be careful with the faction stuff at the moment. With the mission changes that have happened in the last few updates, there is a real flood of LP based items on the market. I do not know how much of this is due to players leaving the game (and thus liquidating their assets to give to friends staying and/or selling characters), or something else. In anycase, all faction ammo and probe prices have dropped a significant amount (Sister's core scan probes went from 480k in Jita to 350k, large faction projectile ammo went from 1200-1400 range to 900-1100 range)... So just watch what you are buying at the moment. I am thinking of collecting some of those deals, but I don't have enough buying power to take up the market.

Now that said, there are quite a few people over in perpetuum who are considering getting back at CCP, so watch out for some interesting things. In the NeX corp we have collectively several trillion isk, and one of the things they were thinking of doing was getting their hands on a lot of the T2 blueprint originals still in the game and then just sitting on them in an unsubbed account. And if CCP then opens back the lottery, they would wait until there were a bunch of new blueprint originals to be spawned and then re-sub the account and flood the market again, crashing T2 item prices pretty much to just the mineral costs.....

 

[ichy]

It must be fun to have enough capital to screw with the overall in-game economy. I've got no such ambitions, I'd just like to earn a bit of easy isk by hauling expensive missiles to far-flung locations

 

[hooflung]

most of the outraged EVE online fans are short minded, selfish and extremely disingenuous over the micro transaction store.

The fact is that the day they allowed portrait swaps and character transfers, what 2004?, EVE's entire backbone of income has been through micro transactions. PLEX is just another iteration of it and the new system is just catching up with the times.

However, you have pretty much always been able to legally trade money for in-game advantages. Being able to buy a character off the official forums for isk is no different than being able to buy a million skill points for your current character.

I can sell one of my lower level alts for 6 billion right now and my main for upwards, if not more than, of 200 billion ( 2003 vet checking in yo ).

Fact is that CCP just wants to monetize something officially and the player base want to keep their niche markets from being put up on billboards in bright pink spray. But it is what it is. I'll keep playing, and paying, for my crack. Havent' stopped since 8-1-2003 so why should I stop now.

Dust will be that much more enjoyable if I can just inject some isk/$ into some skilling tbh. I don't really get why people like the treadmill that BF2 introduced and CoD4 godzillafied.

 

[1ceHacka]

I didn't get into the faction ammo for that exact reason. I started off with some T2 modules, ammo, drones, etc. I only invested in a single ship. Most of the stuff sold so far has been drones, but overall business is very slow. I recorded all of my purchases in Excel so that I can track what I'm doing to make sure I don't sell for a loss.

 

[ichy]

I should have a block of at least a couple hours free tonight, so I'm going to get both of my characters back into low-sec and work on exploration again. I was starting to dabble in WHs the last time I was active, but got slaughtered when I tried running a C3 site. Since I haven't really played for a couple of months I'll probably have more patience this time around.

 

[Fallen Kell]

most of the outraged EVE online fans are short minded, selfish and extremely disingenuous over the micro transaction store.

The fact is that the day they allowed portrait swaps and character transfers, what 2004?, EVE's entire backbone of income has been through micro transactions. PLEX is just another iteration of it and the new system is just catching up with the times.

However, you have pretty much always been able to legally trade money for in-game advantages. Being able to buy a character off the official forums for isk is no different than being able to buy a million skill points for your current character.

I can sell one of my lower level alts for 6 billion right now and my main for upwards, if not more than, of 200 billion ( 2003 vet checking in yo ).

Fact is that CCP just wants to monetize something officially and the player base want to keep their niche markets from being put up on billboards in bright pink spray. But it is what it is. I'll keep playing, and paying, for my crack. Havent' stopped since 8-1-2003 so why should I stop now.

Dust will be that much more enjoyable if I can just inject some isk/$ into some skilling tbh. I don't really get why people like the treadmill that BF2 introduced and CoD4 godzillafied.

I am sorry, but I completely disagree with you. There is a very important difference between the current getting ISK for PLEX and then buying a character on the bazaar vs straight up buying SP from CCP, ISK from CCP, or items from CCP. The difference is that to get that character, someone had to already create them and have them in-game in some way. There are a limited number of 2003 or 2004 character with their subsequent skill points. As a result, those characters have value in the sense that you won't see other characters gain more skill points then those (aside from mis-management of training/implants/etc). The same goes with items and ISK. The items and ISK is already in the game system. Buying a PLEX for real money and converting it into the game and then trading it for ISK simply moves the ISK already in the game system from one account to another. Directly buying ISK for money from CCP with CCP simply updating a few numbers in a database means that it is magical ISK added into the game system (in a sense printing more money). There is a reason the US doesn't simply print 100 trillion dollars and try to use that to pay off their debt, because all that will do is drive down the value of the dollar and cause massive inflation, which is exactly the same thing that will happen in EVE if they do the same thing with Microtransactions.

THAT is the difference.

 

[Fallen Kell]

I should have a block of at least a couple hours free tonight, so I'm going to get both of my characters back into low-sec and work on exploration again. I was starting to dabble in WHs the last time I was active, but got slaughtered when I tried running a C3 site. Since I haven't really played for a couple of months I'll probably have more patience this time around.

Well, read my posts a while back on C3 drake fittings and you should be fine if you have battlecruisers IV and the primary shield skills to IV or V.

 

[Red Storm]

The same goes with items and ISK. The items and ISK is already in the game system. Buying a PLEX for real money and converting it into the game and then trading it for ISK simply moves the ISK already in the game system from one account to another. Directly buying ISK for money from CCP with CCP simply updating a few numbers in a database means that it is magical ISK added into the game system (in a sense printing more money). There is a reason the US doesn't simply print 100 trillion dollars and try to use that to pay off their debt, because all that will do is drive down the value of the dollar and cause massive inflation, which is exactly the same thing that will happen in EVE if they do the same thing with Microtransactions.

THAT is the difference.

A question on the PLEX/ISK thing. I get the ISK is already in the game, but the PLEX is being created with real money (GTC), which is then converted to an in-game item that's worth roughly ~350 mil. Is that not in essence injecting money into the EVE economy? The ISK is just changing hands, but the PLEX is created with real life money. To me it seems similar to being able to buy (for instance) a Raven for real money, and then selling it for ISK in-game.

I'm no economy expert so I'm asking.

 

[Ross Ridge]

A question on the PLEX/ISK thing. I get the ISK is already in the game, but the PLEX is being created with real money (GTC), which is then converted to an in-game item that's worth roughly ~350 mil.

Well that's just it. For the sake of argument, ignore the most recent expansion, and the ability to convert PLEX to into aurum. Unlike a Raven, a PLEX itself has no inherit usefulness in-game, so why would they be worth anything in in-game currency? Because they have a use outside of the game, adding 30 days of game time to an account. Players decide how much that utility is worth in ISK, not CCP. There's no NPC merchant that will buy PLEX and thus inject ISK into the economy. For a PLEX to be worth anything there has to be a player that's willing to trade ISK for it.

So all that happens in-game is that a pile of ISK moves from one player to another. Since there's no change in the amount of ISK in the game, and no change in the amount of useful items, there's no inflationary or deflationary effect caused by this. If you could buy Ravens with real cash then price of Ravens would go down in game because of the additional supply. If there were enough Ravens sold this way, it would cause the entire mineral market to go down and everything made from minerals would fall in price as well.

 

[JSt0rm]

There have been a couple worries above and beyond the plex for isk for real money thing. While this is a type of mt it was created because of isk farmers ruining the game and they needed a way to combat them.

worry 1 as I see. Shit created out of thin air. This bypasses the eve economy to give people what they want when they want it where they want it. That breaks the game.

worry 2. some kind of golden ammo that is only available via the mt store. They say they will not do this and thats fine but that was the worry. Some kind of super ship/module/ammo that will be created for real $

 

[Red Storm]

Well that's just it. For the sake of argument, ignore the most recent expansion, and the ability to convert PLEX to into aurum. Unlike a Raven, a PLEX itself has no inherit usefulness in-game, so why would they be worth anything in in-game currency? Because they have a use outside of the game, adding 30 days of game time to an account. Players decide how much that utility is worth in ISK, not CCP. There's no NPC merchant that will buy PLEX and thus inject ISK into the economy. For a PLEX to be worth anything there has to be a player that's willing to trade ISK for it.

So all that happens in-game is that a pile of ISK moves from one player to another. Since there's no change in the amount of ISK in the game, and no change in the amount of useful items, there's no inflationary or deflationary effect caused by this. If you could buy Ravens with real cash then price of Ravens would go down in game because of the additional supply. If there were enough Ravens sold this way, it would cause the entire mineral market to go down and everything made from minerals would fall in price as well.

That makes sense, you can actually build that Raven in-game but you can't manufacture a PLEX to sell. Thanks for clearing that up.

I personally wouldn't mind the whole NEX store as long as it remained as cosmetic only items. However, I think the one bad thing about Incarna is its very own flagship feature: Player avatars. I've realized that EVE was the only MMO I could enjoy partly because of what it offered (life in space), how it was offered (one giant world, a player driven economy, etc.), and no player avatars with awkward/poor animations to see. The single most annoying thing I experience with any MMO is staring at my characters back as I run nonstop from point A to point B. With EVE, they took that annoyance and turned it into a flying spaceship (so much cooler!). While it could still be a bore at times, I found it much less annoying.