Ever been patted down at BestBuy?

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MustISO

Lifer
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No one at any retail store can pat you down, ask to look in your bag or ask you to empty your pockets.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: MustISO
No one at any retail store can pat you down, ask to look in your bag or ask you to empty your pockets.

of course they can, you just dont have to let them.
 

n0cmonkey

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Jun 10, 2001
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If anyone I don't know and don't approve of wants to touch me in a store, he better be referred to as "officer."

EDIT: Also, my favorite family guy quote would apply: I NEED AN ADULT! :laugh:
 

Kibbo

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Jul 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: LtPage1
well, youre on their property, so they probably can pat you down. ive never had it done to me, though. dont they have those magnetic alarm gate things on either side of the door?

No, they can't. They cannot force you to be patted down. That would be assault. What are they going to do? Make sure you can't leave the store? That would be unlawful confinement. And, since they can only do so by locking the door, a fire hazard. They can't do shit.

Bars can pat you down before you come in, but no one can ever stop you from leaving.
 

Ulfwald

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May 27, 2000
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Someone pats me down and they are not a police officer? They earn a trip to the ER with a broken wrist.
 

Ulfwald

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Well, it is not me being tough, it is me standing up for my rights, as well as protecting myself from unwanted physical contact
 

n0cmonkey

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Jun 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: hevnsnt
you guys are so tough.

I wouldn't beat the crap out of the guy, just make sure there is not unwanted contact. I would wait calmly for a police officer though, if they wanted to press the issue.
 

Krk3561

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Jun 12, 2002
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Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: apac
If you were a chick, that'd be sexual harassment.
Gender shouldn't affect liability.


I refer you to your sig regarding your statement above.

It goes both ways. A man to another man can be considered sexual harassment. It doesnt have to be opposite sex.

So I guess you were trying to point out your ignorance...
 

Maximus96

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Nov 9, 2000
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i am still not totally clear as to what my rights are. places like fry's, walmart, homedepot and bestbuys always check my receipt. and they usually don't read the receipt, just scribble something or make a mark on it. so are they not even allowed to ask for my receipt?
 

TechnoPro

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Jul 10, 2003
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Originally posted by: Ulfwald
Well, it is not me being tough, it is me standing up for my rights, as well as protecting myself from unwanted physical contact

And I would have done the same, but there were mitigating factors... The guy who patted me down was 5'5" and rail thin, while I am 6'2" and big... At no point did any threat alarm go off. Sure, if the guy had been larger, I may have percieved it as more serious. The other factor was distraction. I had to haul ass out of there to get to my next client. That was # 1 on my mind.

Anyways, the surveillance tapes are being reviewed to identify the guy in question and review the incident. Like others have stated, it is not their policy to randomly touch anyone in the name of loss-prevention. There has to be clear reasoning like someone was seen stuffing a shirt, etc.
 

Ulfwald

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May 27, 2000
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As far as I am concerned, I paid for it, that makes it mine. It is in a bag that I am carrying, that makes it my personal property. You may not touch me, look into my bag, pat me down, search me, etc without a warrant. If you try and detain me, then you had better be ready to file a police report, then call your lawyer because I will be suing you and your employer for false arrest, public embarrassment, defamation of character, false accusations, mental trauma, and whatever else my lawyer can dream of. Or, I will be walking out of your store with the biggest HD TV you got
 

TechnoPro

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Jul 10, 2003
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Originally posted by: GoodDad
he couldnt/wouldnt have patted you down if you hadnt asked him if you were "all set". The only thing he could have done was to call the cops unless he had firm proof.

I work in retail, and have had to deal with theft before. Usually we just call the cops and get someone to distract the person stealing. The cops like us so they usually arrive with a minute or two. The only exception was the time a group of kids came in. I saw one of them put a 1 farad capacitor down his pants. (dumbass) He had his back to me, but our ceilings are mirrored. I calmy called the cops, then went over to pretend I was going to help him. His friend did some weird shout thing as I was walking over, so he put the cap back. I asked him where the cap came from and he started flipping out. There were four of them and one them and one of me. The one who had the cap started circling around me like he wanted to fight. I wasnt going to take on four guys, so I went over to the phone, got on the intercom and said "I need everyone to car audio, NOW!" When the kids heard that and saw about 5 guys coming towards them they took off. The cops got there about a minute after they left. The cops looked for them (they ran off on foot) but never found them.

Please explain why asking him "all set?" would prompt that action? In some stores, when they check your reciept off against what you have, they scribble on the recipt, punch a hole in it, put a sticker on the merchandise, etc. So I was anticipating that possibility. And he was looking away while he handed it to me, no "thank you" or "have a good night" or anything verbal at all.
 

flot

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Feb 24, 2000
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These comments on the lawsuits, etc, are just ridiculous.

Why is TechnoPro entitled to any $$ from best buy? They did something wrong, YES, but did they harm him in some way? No. Was he financially harmed by this exchange? No.

If best buy is reviewing the tape, and he has brought the matter to their attention as inappropriate, that is really the best you can hope for, aside from perhaps a formal apology from the store.

NOW... had they detained him, made a spectacle of him in front of the store, gotten 4 big guys to hold him down so he couldn't leave, etc, etc - that is the kind of "incident" where you could rightfully talk about getting some compensation for your lost time and dignity. However what happened here was likely a simple mistake/misunderstanding by an employee.

Edit: One more thing, if you had evidence that this was an ONGOING behavior by the store, that would be another case as well.
 

n0cmonkey

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Jun 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: flot
These comments on the lawsuits, etc, are just ridiculous.

Why is TechnoPro entitled to any $$ from best buy? They did something wrong, YES, but did they harm him in some way? No. Was he financially harmed by this exchange? No.

If best buy is reviewing the tape, and he has brought the matter to their attention as inappropriate, that is really the best you can hope for, aside from perhaps a formal apology from the store.

NOW... had they detained him, made a spectacle of him in front of the store, gotten 4 big guys to hold him down so he couldn't leave, etc, etc - that is the kind of "incident" where you could rightfully talk about getting some compensation for your lost time and dignity. However what happened here was likely a simple mistake/misunderstanding by an employee.

Edit: One more thing, if you had evidence that this was an ONGOING behavior by the store, that would be another case as well.

Frivilous lawsuits are still all the rage. Second only to that "Intellectual Property" bull.
 

TechnoPro

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Jul 10, 2003
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Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: flot
These comments on the lawsuits, etc, are just ridiculous.

Why is TechnoPro entitled to any $$ from best buy? They did something wrong, YES, but did they harm him in some way? No. Was he financially harmed by this exchange? No.

If best buy is reviewing the tape, and he has brought the matter to their attention as inappropriate, that is really the best you can hope for, aside from perhaps a formal apology from the store.

NOW... had they detained him, made a spectacle of him in front of the store, gotten 4 big guys to hold him down so he couldn't leave, etc, etc - that is the kind of "incident" where you could rightfully talk about getting some compensation for your lost time and dignity. However what happened here was likely a simple mistake/misunderstanding by an employee.

Edit: One more thing, if you had evidence that this was an ONGOING behavior by the store, that would be another case as well.

Frivilous lawsuits are still all the rage. Second only to that "Intellectual Property" bull.

So true. I've already been PM'd by several attorneys!
 

n0cmonkey

Elite Member
Jun 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: TechnoPro
Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Originally posted by: flot
These comments on the lawsuits, etc, are just ridiculous.

Why is TechnoPro entitled to any $$ from best buy? They did something wrong, YES, but did they harm him in some way? No. Was he financially harmed by this exchange? No.

If best buy is reviewing the tape, and he has brought the matter to their attention as inappropriate, that is really the best you can hope for, aside from perhaps a formal apology from the store.

NOW... had they detained him, made a spectacle of him in front of the store, gotten 4 big guys to hold him down so he couldn't leave, etc, etc - that is the kind of "incident" where you could rightfully talk about getting some compensation for your lost time and dignity. However what happened here was likely a simple mistake/misunderstanding by an employee.

Edit: One more thing, if you had evidence that this was an ONGOING behavior by the store, that would be another case as well.

Frivilous lawsuits are still all the rage. Second only to that "Intellectual Property" bull.

So true. I've already been PM'd by several attorneys!

I hate most lawyers. Don't they have an ambulance to chase or something? I think I heard one when I went outside for a smoke...
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Originally posted by: TechnoPro
Originally posted by: GoodDad
he couldnt/wouldnt have patted you down if you hadnt asked him if you were "all set". The only thing he could have done was to call the cops unless he had firm proof.

I work in retail, and have had to deal with theft before. Usually we just call the cops and get someone to distract the person stealing. The cops like us so they usually arrive with a minute or two. The only exception was the time a group of kids came in. I saw one of them put a 1 farad capacitor down his pants. (dumbass) He had his back to me, but our ceilings are mirrored. I calmy called the cops, then went over to pretend I was going to help him. His friend did some weird shout thing as I was walking over, so he put the cap back. I asked him where the cap came from and he started flipping out. There were four of them and one them and one of me. The one who had the cap started circling around me like he wanted to fight. I wasnt going to take on four guys, so I went over to the phone, got on the intercom and said "I need everyone to car audio, NOW!" When the kids heard that and saw about 5 guys coming towards them they took off. The cops got there about a minute after they left. The cops looked for them (they ran off on foot) but never found them.

Please explain why asking him "all set?" would prompt that action? In some stores, when they check your reciept off against what you have, they scribble on the recipt, punch a hole in it, put a sticker on the merchandise, etc. So I was anticipating that possibility. And he was looking away while he handed it to me, no "thank you" or "have a good night" or anything verbal at all.

he could argue that it was implied. I am not saying that what he did was right in any way, dont get me wrong. If someone had put their hands on me in a store I would not have left without making sure the whole thing had been put in writing. I am not going to lie like these other asshats and say I would have fought the guy. If you do that, then you are at fault right then and there.

I am not saying you did anything wrong, just that by you saying yes it could be argued that you gave him permission to pat you down. And now that you walked away there isnt much you can do.
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: apac
If you were a chick, that'd be sexual harassment.
Gender shouldn't affect liability.


I refer you to your sig regarding your statement above.

It goes both ways. A man to another man can be considered sexual harassment. It doesnt have to be opposite sex.

So I guess you were trying to point out your ignorance...
Gee you kinda proved my orignal statement, now didn't you. My whole point is this could be a guy-girl, girl-guy, guy-guy, or girl-girl and it's all harrasment.

And yes, sometimes even I am ignorant. However, in this case yours is showing. Now quit trying to be witty by "using" my sig against me. If you read careful in my next post I said "Even if your right, it only proves what the quote says." about me being ignorant.
 
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