Ever seen a business close due to being unable to find employees?

[Fanatical Meat]

This thread is now about all the cool shit we could be doing instead of being wageslaves.

- I want to kayak the Colorado river (like, the whole goddamn thing and camp along the way, sort of like Powell did with less having everyone around you die).

- I want to experience a Hurricane, and I want to see a Tornado.

-I need to learn an instrument. I keep starting, then life and exhaustion keep getting in the way.

-I want to participate in a protest. Like a proper one with tear gas and shit.

There is more but that is all for now.

I want to add hurricanes aren’t that great assuming you are inland. Lots of rain and wind. Being close to the ocean it is far more interesting however it is also far more dangerous due to sea rise & flooding. You really need to choose your spot carefully because getting stranded by a fallen tree then getting overrun by water is a real possibility or even getting stranded due to the road going to the beach getting flooded.
Small hurricanes are fine but they are also less interesting.
A good blizzard is more interesting because the snow storm progresses slower and the typically is a weird quiet period before & during them.

 

[brycejones]

That’s what is annoying about the job.

Quoted for truth.

 

[purbeast0]

Then you are paid an hourly rate, not a salaried rate.

By the way contrary to popular opinion hourly rates are way better than salaried positions for exactly this reason! If you work more you get paid more.

No I am in a salaried position and I won't work more than the 40 hours agreed to per week that was in the signing letter I signed when I came on board.

I'm not sure why this is hard for some to grasp. It's so ingrained into our workforce that most people think they are obligated to work more than 40 hours a week if on salary and try to flex about it when they do, when in fact it's the exact opposite of a flex.

You all enjoy working for free though. I'll enjoy my free time.

 

[fskimospy]

No I am in a salaried position and I won't work more than the 40 hours agreed to per week that was in the signing letter I signed when I came on board.

I'm not sure why this is hard for some to grasp. It's so ingrained into our workforce that most people think they are obligated to work more than 40 hours a week if on salary and try to flex about it when they do, when in fact it's the exact opposite of a flex.

You all enjoy working for free though. I'll enjoy my free time.

If you are paid $X for working 40 hours and $X+1 for working 41 hours your pay is based on hours worked.

How is this hard to understand.

 

[fskimospy]

In my organization we have thousands of people who have a set schedule of X hours per week (full time). Unlike me though if they work extra hours for whatever reason they are entitled to comp time for it.

They are classified as hourly employees.

 

[PumpkinCake]

No I am in a salaried position and I won't work more than the 40 hours agreed to per week that was in the signing letter I signed when I came on board.

I'm not sure why this is hard for some to grasp. It's so ingrained into our workforce that most people think they are obligated to work more than 40 hours a week if on salary and try to flex about it when they do, when in fact it's the exact opposite of a flex.

You all enjoy working for free though. I'll enjoy my free time.

Any employee with this mentality should be paid on an hourly basis.

 

[fskimospy]

Any employee with this mentality should be paid on an hourly basis.

Being paid on an hourly basis is a good thing, not a bad thing. People often equate ‘hourly’ with ‘low wage’ when that does not have to be the case at all.

Not sure why you feel entitled to have people work extra for you for free?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Not sure why you feel entitled to have people work extra for you for free?

Have you not been reading the rest of the bullshit that prick has posted in this thread?

 

[PumpkinCake]

Have you not been reading the rest of the bullshit that prick has posted in this thread?

I've been nothing but polite to everyone here. It's pretty ironic how you act, when calling me an asshole.

 

[PumpkinCake]

Being paid on an hourly basis is a good thing, not a bad thing. People often equate ‘hourly’ with ‘low wage’ when that does not have to be the case at all.

Not sure why you feel entitled to have people work extra for you for free?

It's not for free. Their bonus is directly affected by how hard and how much they work. I mentioned previously, it's maybe 3-4 days a month where someone has to pull out their laptop after hours and knock something out. Maybe 2-3 times a year there's a huge deadline crunch time where people are working late or on the weekend.

If you can't handle that kind of work environment, no problem. I'm not judging you for it. You're free to work somewhere else and get paid less. No big deal, it's not personal.

 

[fskimospy]

Have you not been reading the rest of the bullshit that prick has posted in this thread?

There is a strong sense of entitlement, yes.

I mean it’s a free market though. If he’s found people who want to work in those conditions more power to him.

 

[fskimospy]

It's not for free. Their bonus is directly affected by how hard and how much they work. I mentioned previously, it's maybe 3-4 days a month where someone has to pull out their laptop after hours and knock something out. Maybe 2-3 times a year there's a huge deadline crunch time where people are working late or on the weekend.

If you can't handle that kind of work environment, no problem. I'm not judging you for it. You're free to work somewhere else and get paid less. No big deal, it's not personal.

Right - so they work extra for you for free in the hopes that in the future you decide to pay them for it.

This has nothing to do with me - no bonuses where I work and I work after hours frequently, but you should recognize the nature of your work arrangements.

 

[PumpkinCake]

Right - so they work extra for you for free in the hopes that in the future you decide to pay them for it.

This has nothing to do with me - no bonuses where I work and I work after hours frequently, but you should recognize the nature of your work arrangements.

I do recognize it. And as I've said multiple times, most of the people arguing with me act like this is just sprung on them or something. It's made clear in interviews, and it's well known within the industry that people are pushed super hard at my firm - but that we pay exceptionally well. I don't have any trouble finding or retaining employees.

 

[fskimospy]

I do recognize it. And as I've said multiple times, most of the people arguing with me act like this is just sprung on them or something. It's made clear in interviews, and it's well known within the industry that people are pushed super hard at my firm - but that we pay exceptionally well. I don't have any trouble finding or retaining employees.

Well then it sounds like you answered your own question in your OP. If people can’t find or retain employees they aren’t paying competitive wages.

If they can’t compete they deserve to go out of business. Thats life.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I've been nothing but polite to everyone here. It's pretty ironic how you act, when calling me an asshole.

Who gives a shit if you're polite when you're a self important scumbag who thinks everyone working a service job is a loser who deserves a shitty life. Fuck off with your fake politeness.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I don't have any trouble finding or retaining employees.

Anyone else think op's posts about 'other businesses' not being able to hire read like 'Doctor, my friend is having erectile dysfunction' ?

 

[PumpkinCake]

Who gives a shit if you're polite when you're a self important scumbag who thinks everyone working a service job is a loser who deserves a shitty life. Fuck off with your fake politeness.

I never said anything like that and I don’t feel that way at all

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I never said anything like that and I don’t feel that way at all

Bullshit. You shame low wage workers right here dumbass, like they deserve the boot in their ass they get in America. Like people who work jobs this society clearly needs don't deserve a decent life because you're so much better than them because you lEaRn3d to c0DE.

Not everyone has to purchase a home. Rent for now while building up savings. Learn a more marketable skill to increase your income. Cut out all of the frivolous BS spending.

 

[PumpkinCake]

Bullshit. You shame low wage workers right here dumbass, like they deserve the boot in their ass they get in America. Like people who work jobs this society clearly needs don't deserve a decent life because you're so much better than them because you lEaRn3d to c0DE.

Quote a post where I’ve shamed anyone.

All I’ve said is people need to be working, period. If your skills are such that all you can do is low skill work so be it. If you don’t want to make $12/hr pressing a button with a picture of a burger then learn marketable skills.

I’m not the one pushing low pay or expensive housing. Life is tough and takes hard work is the bottom line. There is no free lunch.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Bullshit. You shame low wage workers right here dumbass, like they deserve the boot in their ass they get in America. Like people who work jobs this society clearly needs don't deserve a decent life because you're so much better than them because you lEaRn3d to c0DE.

It's cognitive dissonance. They want Taco Bell opened late, but they don't think the workers deserve a living wage. That's why the worst red states are killing child labor laws. They want the work environment that existed when The Jungle was written over a century ago.

They tell you "get good gamer!" instead of paying you a worthwhile wage to make and serve their food, mow their lawn, stock the shelves, etc. Then come on here and lament how small biz is failing because "no one wants to work anymore!" When in fact, they just don't want to work for below poverty level wages.

Saying the choice between an underpaying job and no job should be taking the job, is a terrible mindset. If I can't make enough to pay my bills, why would I bother working again? The only currency you possess is time, spend it wisely. Being exploited is hardly a good use of our finite existence. By refusing to work for their breadcrumbs, workers are driving these bizs under. Bravo!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Quote a post where I’ve shamed anyone.

If you don’t want to make $12/hr pressing a button with a picture of a burger then learn marketable skills.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Quote a post where I’ve shamed anyone.

All I’ve said is people need to be working, period. If your skills are such that all you can do is low skill work so be it. If you don’t want to make $12/hr pressing a button with a picture of a burger then learn marketable skills.

I’m not the one pushing low pay or expensive housing. Life is tough and takes hard work is the bottom line. There is no free lunch.

You keep repeating the same canned shit, get new material. You can't come on here and start up with how bizs are closing because no one wants to work. Then MAGA it up with some bullshit about how work that doesn't require a STEM degree deserves poverty wages.

That's trolling us. Which is why you are getting such a warm reception.

 

[repoman0]

Bullshit. You shame low wage workers right here dumbass, like they deserve the boot in their ass they get in America. Like people who work jobs this society clearly needs don't deserve a decent life because you're so much better than them because you lEaRn3d to c0DE.

I worked way harder bagging groceries and pushing carts in high school than I do now that I’ve l3rn3d 2 c0de … perhaps a big part of why I think “low skill button pushing” jobs also deserve fair compensation for their time. You learn empathy working retail and dealing with assholes like OP who think you’re a loser.

 

[brycejones]

Quote a post where I’ve shamed anyone.

All I’ve said is people need to be working, period. If your skills are such that all you can do is low skill work so be it. If you don’t want to make $12/hr pressing a button with a picture of a burger then learn marketable skills.

I’m not the one pushing low pay or expensive housing. Life is tough and takes hard work is the bottom line. There is no free lunch.

So you don’t think the people who make your food, stock shelves, work in warehouses, bring shit to your house, drive you around on demand deserve a decent wage. You may be polite here, but you are clearly an asshole.

 

[PumpkinCake]

You keep repeating the same canned shit, get new material. You can't come on here and start up with how bizs are closing because no one wants to work. Then MAGA it up with some bullshit about how work that doesn't require a STEM degree deserves poverty wages.

That's trolling us. Which is why you are getting such a warm reception.

What are you talking about. Throughout this thread I've pushed trades - plumbing, electrician, hvac tech. Hell it's low pay but even welding depending on where you live. I honestly think stem is over rated and lot of people end up with advanced degrees who should've picked a different path.

But...... Those jobs are hard work. You have to wake up early - no more staying up until 2am playing call of duty.