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PumpkinCake

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So you don’t think the people who make your food, stock shelves, work in warehouses, bring shit to your house, drive you around on demand deserve a decent wage. You may be polite here, but you are clearly an asshole.

I never said anything like that. I simply said, I think everyone should be productive and working. Period.

I do think some low skill jobs deserve higher pay. But the market is the market. And if we artificially increase wages, it's going to directly affect inflation, and we will soon be right back where we started.
 

K1052

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And if we artificially increase wages, it's going to directly affect inflation, and we will soon be right back where we started.

What qualifies as an "artificial" increase vs a "natural" increase since governmental and monetary policy has always influenced this?

This sounds like you think we need more workers just to cause median income, or perhaps more specifically labor costs to employers, to fall because somehow thats the "natural" state of things.
 

SteveGrabowski

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I never said anything like that. I simply said, I think everyone should be productive and working. Period.
And that people should leARn 2 c0DE and poor people spend money on bullshit and could just save for a house if they stopped eating avocado toast and playing Call of Duty. You really have a shit grasp of math tbh.

Also when I asked if San Diego should not have restaurants and grocery stores you said you'd like to see it fall in the ocean.
 

DAPUNISHER

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It's getting pretty crazy around here... I'm talking about for entry level/low skill positions. We have small shops shuttering right and left.
This was your very first post.

Now, do you want to keep trolling and lying about how you have been promoting trade skills the whole time? Or go back to the original premise of your thread, you know, low skill entry level positions like food service and retail.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I worked way harder bagging groceries and pushing carts in high school than I do now that I’ve l3rn3d 2 c0de … perhaps a big part of why I think “low skill button pushing” jobs also deserve fair compensation for their time. You learn empathy working retail and dealing with assholes like OP who think you’re a loser.
I'd love to see him be the sling man on a semi in a Walmart during a Texas summer. Come back and talk to me about what a grocery store worker should make.
 

Linux23

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Yes, saw some Fox News clips where the hosts were ranting about how crime is at all time highs when really it’s close to all time lows.
Yep it's because all of those caravans of Mexicans and those terrorists Mooslems. 😡😉
 

Linux23

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Is there some way to fix it? Having to wait 5 minutes between posting is a pretty serious form of oppression and I won't stand for it!



As someone who is square in the middle politically, I think the frustration is more, why are DAs not charging people who are committing serious crimes? I know that opens the door to talking about overcrowded jails, but it's a serious problem.
I agree. Wie should be jailing corporate executives and CEOs that puts people's jobs and the entire economy at risk.😡😡😡

Tell me which executive got charged with bringing the economy to a halt in the financial crisis in 2008? I still say that these types of people are more dangerous to society than your local drug dealer or street walkers, by a country mile.
 

PumpkinCake

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I agree. Wie should be jailing corporate executives and CEOs that puts people's jobs and the entire economy at risk.😡😡😡

Tell me which executive got charged with bringing the economy to a halt in the financial crisis in 2008? I still say that these types of people are more dangerous to society than your local drug dealer or street walkers, by a country mile.
Totally agree
 

Meghan54

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I should have clarified - total debt. House, car, student loans, etc. Honestly probably a topic for another thread. But my mistake.
Thought you were damned explicit in your original comment. How’d it go?

Ah yes, “With some useless degree and 3-400k in student loan debt they should've never taken out.”

Love the Eric Trump memory you have
 
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Linux23

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I agree but Portland has always had fairly large homeless population. Like always. Back in the 80s and 90s it was veterans and the mentally ill, today it's mostly people who have seen their rents double while their wages/income stagnated.
The heartbreaking part about the latter is that they're being used as pawns in a cynical agenda to repeal M110.
I read the other day that one woman in Atlanta was living out of a storage facility. Like WTF have we become as a country?

Should anyone have to live like this? Is this acceptable to anyone? What policies can we enact to have people living comfortably, not lavishly, in this country?
 

NWRMidnight

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Any employee with this mentality should be paid on an hourly basis.
Every employer who believes that you should put in more than 40 hours with no extra compensation (over time) when on salary should be in jail. It's nothing but legal wage theft (if they are actually exempt salaried employees), that is used to abuse your employees time, to pad your profit margins, and your own personal bank account. It's also people like you that expect those on salary to work more than 40 hours a week with no extra compensation, yet when they miss a day, causing them to work under 40 hours a week, for any reason, people with your fucked up ideology, have no issues docking their pay because they didn't work enough days that week. Salary very seldome benefits the employee other than allowing them to have a consitant pay check. It always benefits the company, it is used to abuse the employee schedule (if they even have one), abuse and control the employee's personal time, and gives assholes like you the false belief that their loyalty to the company comes first over everything else in their life. The kicker is many companies, have the misguided belief, that because their employee(s) are salary, they are automatically exempt from over time laws. They get away with it, because many salaried employees do not have the first clue how to apply the "test" to determine if they qaulify as salaried exempt or salaried non exempt. Hell, many employers don't have that knowledge either. I would be suprised by the way you talk here, if you really have that knowledge yourself. It's getting worse, as there are many employers today, who are now trying to put, their employees on a 1099, making them subcontractors, yet they still want to dictate every aspect of their job.. and is illegal!
 
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NWRMidnight

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I've been nothing but polite to everyone here. It's pretty ironic how you act, when calling me an asshole.
It appears his words went well over your head. Arrogance coupled with ignorance will cause that to happen. (hint: his descriptive words towards you, has zero to do with your "polite" interaction with people of this forum, but that of the type of employer and boss you have self proclaimed you are).
 
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Linux23

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I manage a resort.

This is it, 100%.

I have not had to advertise for employees through the entirety of covid, and I have increased my staffing.

I am running full occupancy, my competitors are being forced to shut down portions of their facilities.


and it is the stupid stuff.

example: I always let my housekeepers run the airconditioners while they were cleaning. I always gave everyone infinite free bottled water. I always let them keep their tips. To smile and never raise my voice even when I was showing people their mistakes. To be friendly and non-judgemental.

You would think that would be the minimum. But I know of places where housekeeping are not allowed to activate the air-conditioning. Tips all go to the manager.


It is just respect. If you see a business with "unskilled"* labor that cannot retain employees it says something about the owners and managers that is not very nice.

*there is nothing unskilled about housekeeping. Or landscaping. Or gardening. Or maintenance. Or serving coffee. Or answering the phone. Ever deal with a very upset person on the phone? That takes talent to handle correctly and preserve the reputation of the establishment.
What I don't understand is why are the pubbies in a titty attack about the Mexicans who would gladly accept these jobs for low wages, plus pay taxes.

Wouldn't that help the labor situation immensely?
 

Leeea

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What I don't understand is why are the pubbies in a titty attack about the Mexicans who would gladly accept these jobs for low wages, plus pay taxes.

Wouldn't that help the labor situation immensely?

I have full us citizens who only speak Spanish working for me.

It's already over. And it is not just me. It is the future. Every town that has a future in this country has a large Hispanic population moving in.

Birth right citizenship is what will save this country from itself.
 
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NWRMidnight

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It's not for free. Their bonus is directly affected by how hard and how much they work. I mentioned previously, it's maybe 3-4 days a month where someone has to pull out their laptop after hours and knock something out. Maybe 2-3 times a year there's a huge deadline crunch time where people are working late or on the weekend.

If you can't handle that kind of work environment, no problem. I'm not judging you for it. You're free to work somewhere else and get paid less. No big deal, it's not personal.
Cough.. Cough.. how does 3-4 times a month, equal only 2-3 times a year?

Math isn't your strong suit is it? That or honesty isn't your strong suit, and you outed yourself.

Do they get paid less working for someone else, putting in only 40 hours a week compared to you, where you expect them to put in more than 40 hours per week? I am guessing, from your corrispondance here, that your expectations of your employees is 50 to 60 hours a week to earn their salary, after you calculate after hour work at the office, emails, phone calls anwered at home, etc. When you start doing the math.. those working only 40 hours a week are making the same identical wage for each hour worked. That's before you calculate any kind of over time if applical, and other benefits.

I find it funny, that you joined Anandtech, with the belief that people on this board are stupid enough to not be able to see thru that bullshit claim. It's like you think that the majority of us are not good at math or something.
 
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NWRMidnight

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I do recognize it. And as I've said multiple times, most of the people arguing with me act like this is just sprung on them or something. It's made clear in interviews, and it's well known within the industry that people are pushed super hard at my firm - but that we pay exceptionally well. I don't have any trouble finding or retaining employees.
So basically, you tell them at the interview, and hire idiots who don't math very well.. seems like they fit right in with your inablity to math.
 
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MrSquished

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You keep repeating the same canned shit, get new material. You can't come on here and start up with how bizs are closing because no one wants to work. Then MAGA it up with some bullshit about how work that doesn't require a STEM degree deserves poverty wages.

That's trolling us. Which is why you are getting such a warm reception.

He can't answer the most basic question at the heart of this all. He supports a permanent working class living in poverty.
 

Linux23

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I think anyone of working age should have a job period. If you have no marketable skills, I think working and making minimum wage is better than not working and living in mom's basement. Financial stuff aside, I think it's healthy both individually and as a society for people to overall be productive. If you are working minimum wage, you should be also developing and learning marketable skills to get a better job.
And going into massive debt to pay for a degree or trade in the process that you're never going to pay it all back in your lifetime.
 

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320+ posts. Is there anything left that gen z or millennials killed that we haven't covered yet?
 
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