I remember when they threw a parade in NY for the, um, essential workers during COVID.Yes I think working is a good thing but I think here we live to work versus work to live. And at the same time if a minimum wage is highly exploitative, maybe that's not a good thing. As long as there is exploitable labor then businesses don't have to improve.
And what's about the marketable skill stuff. Do you not think we need permanent full-time "unskilled" workers? We need everything from food service staff to bus drivers to janitors to landscapers to grocery store workers. I mean the list is really long for what you probably consider not marketable skills. Should these people be living in either poverty or just lower class for life? Even though what they do is fundamental for society to work.
Do you remember essential workers? Can we say essential workers are now skilled workers maybe?
You forgot gen x320+ posts. Is there anything left that gen z or millennials killed that we haven't covered yet?
Doesn’t everyone?You forgot gen x
Just as well, we're a bunch of jerks.Doesn’t everyone?
We're just drinking bourbon watching the fights.You forgot gen x
Thoughts and prayers instead of real solutions are as American as mass shootings and medical bankruptcy.I remember when they threw a parade in NY for the, um, essential workers during COVID.
I meant to ask this sooner, but where are you getting these statistics that supports such bullshit? I suspect if there are such statistics (extremely doubtful), it's based off of people who are working 2 or 3 jobs just to earn enough to meet those basic needs, which is why they are no happier. Which means it's a statistic on the effect of being over worked, and not a statistic on earning enough to meet their basic needs. Heck, just the increase in minimum wage, even if it doesn't meet their basic needs, shows that it has a positive effect on happiness.That's awesome! Genuinely happy for you. Another good topic to support your argument is that fact that, statistically, people are not happier once they make enough money to meet their basic needs. So from a fundamental level, what's the point in obtaining more than that?
There's been a ton of conversation. I'm not ignoring anything. I'm not able to sit here all day when the post moves so quickly, I have to jump in and out when I have a few minutes. Tag/quote something you want me to cite and I'll happily do so. Assuming it's something I'm stating as fact and not obviously just an opinion.
He’s misstating this finding.I meant to ask this sooner, but where are you getting these statistics that supports such bullshit? I suspect if there are such statistics (extremely doubtful), it's based off of people who are working 2 or 3 jobs just to earn enough to meet those basic needs, which is why they are no happier. Which means it's a statistic on the effect of being over worked, and not a statistic on earning enough to meet their basic needs. Heck, just the increase in minimum wage, even if it doesn't meet their basic needs, shows that it has a positive effect on happiness.
It goes back to our Calvinistic ideas and how those are applied to economic decisions. I love how many people still like to pretend it's the 17th century.Does anyone know any of these mythical 30s year old male “losers” living in their mom’s basement with no job?
I can think of 2 close friends and one relative in their 30s living at home.
One earns a six figure salary, and is saving up for a down payment for a house. Also helps his family with their family business on nights and weekends.
One is a software developer, saved up a bunch of money and decided to take time off to pursue his own projects. He helps his family with house repairs/rent and their medical issues.
Another works a trade where his company puts him up for 4-5 nights a week at remote locations, so he’s barely ever home. Should he buy a house so he can be in it one day a week?
All 3 seem like pretty solid use cases to me. I don’t know anybody that’s living at home just doing….nothing.
All that aside, I just don’t get the stigma. Moving out as soon as you can just for the hell of it is probably one of the dumbest financial decisions you can make. I regret doing that. I moved back with my parents (for less than a year) in my late 20s so I could build up a down payment. It made me realize how much money I had been throwing away on full priced rent.
Plus once you’re in your 30s or later, odds are your parents may start needing help at least with some things. So many other cultures multigenerational living is a norm and like anything else that saves money here it’s shameful or at the very least “weird”
It's a leadership problem. I've found most "leaders" completely suck at explaining why what they are asking employees to do is important and important to do right now. I worked in an organization that completely refused to align their bonus program with company objectives. The CEO thought bonuses should only be paid out on an individual basis for things "above and beyond" their normal daily work. So you ended up with people working at cross purposes to meet their bonus objectives instead of effectively prioritizing what was going to actually help the organization grow and be more successful.Work to live, not live to work. What's the point of working an overtime job that might pay a bit of a premium if you can never have time to spend that money?
As a married person in his mid-30s (with only one person working, other in school) making close to the top end of the 22% tax bracket, I much prefer to work my 40 hours a week and not look at work after hours. The only exception is a) business-related travel/on-site time, and b) when a known, major crunch is going to happen (like a product launch with a fixed date), both of which are known in advance, resourced accordingly to try and minimize the impact on employees' lives. Plus, we get comp time to take off at a later date.
This boomer/genx nonsense of "people don't want to work" or whatever - you can take that idea and shove it where the sun don't shine.
If you want employees to contribute, create a positive working environment where people feel supported and well-compensated. If you want to create the feeling of a sweatshop, don't do those things, and watch how word gets around.
Some Americans love the idea of economic Calvinism, in that bad things happen to bad people. Working in retail or struggling to afford housing? Well, you just might be a Bad Person™.It goes back to our Calvinistic ideas and how those are applied to economic decisions. I love how many people still like to pretend it's the 17th century.
Saw this in telecom soooo much.As
It's a leadership problem. I've found most "leaders" completely suck at explaining why what they are asking employees to do is important and important to do right now. I worked in an organization that completely refused to align their bonus program with company objectives. The CEO thought bonuses should only be paid out on an individual basis for things "above and beyond" their normal daily work. So you ended up with people working at cross purposes to meet their bonus objectives instead of effectively prioritizing what was going to actually help the organization grow and be more successful.
Not even a basic understanding getting the organization aligned under the idea of 'succeed or fail as a team".
Judging by what I see on the rare occasion I log into my FB account. This is the fightWe're just drinking bourbon watching the fights.
Reminds me of the times I was forced to spin up full projects with PMs, multiple architects, project review meetings, vp sign offs, etc because we need to add less than 10gb of space across 20 servers that would just be provisioned on the SAN that had the space available. So project cost of $30k to spend $1k on space so we “saved money”.A decade ago I was working at a insurance company. Every time they have a deployment the environment would go down cuz the temp drive will fill up. Takes at least a couple of hours extra time to get it going again. So that is at least 10k salaries and wages down the drain per hour. I go to the VP delivery and ask why they don't just get another tray of HDD. He just shakes his head saying he asked...
back to the good old days I say!And we cannot forget gen alpha, they are just leeching off the system.
In some cases literally...
We need to solve the labor crisis by changing the law and bringing gen alpha into the labor pool. Preschool? More like pre-assembly!
We can teach them valuable life skills like how to feed the wood pulper, proper method of cutting frozen meat with the electric saw, and last but not least how to unjam the rock crusher when the rest of us are to scared to do it.
That's close to what these psychos want.back to the good old days I say!
We went to Iron Bridge in the UK, the birthplace of the industrial revolution.
Children were used to feed the raw materials into the top of the blast furnace with wheelbarrows. It would be like loading a volcano.
If they survived that, they could move down to the lower processes, like poking an iron rod into a clay plug and releasing a gusher of 2000 degree molten iron at yourself.
I don't miss the all hands on deck meetings telling us we had to cut cost. I wanted to say this meeting cost 10k per hour and we could have saved that by not having the meeting.Reminds me of the times I was forced to spin up full projects with PMs, multiple architects, project review meetings, vp sign offs, etc because we need to add less than 10gb of space across 20 servers that would just be provisioned on the SAN that had the space available. So project cost of $30k to spend $1k on space so we “saved money”.
Haha, reminds me of a company I worked for when I was on the west coast, lets just call them Pissknee as a filler name.A decade ago I was working at a insurance company. Every time they have a deployment the environment would go down cuz the temp drive will fill up. Takes at least a couple of hours extra time to get it going again. So that is at least 10k salaries and wages down the drain per hour. I go to the VP delivery and ask why they don't just get another tray of HDD. He just shakes his head saying he asked...
Then I said how about run down to store and grab a external HDD. Nope. Not allowed to plug anything like that into the environment.
Last I checked they are maintaining FOUR distinct policy systems... And still having meetings about cutting cost...
So. You say the bonuses are tied to how hard and how many hours are put in.It's not for free. Their bonus is directly affected by how hard and how much they work. I mentioned previously, it's maybe 3-4 days a month where someone has to pull out their laptop after hours and knock something out. Maybe 2-3 times a year there's a huge deadline crunch time where people are working late or on the weekend.
If you can't handle that kind of work environment, no problem. I'm not judging you for it. You're free to work somewhere else and get paid less. No big deal, it's not personal.
I had no doubt he was misstating statistics, or was using some off the wall conspiracy theory sight for his information.He’s misstating this finding.
More money means more happiness for most of us—here's when earning over $100,000 doesn't help
As it turns out, your happiness may keep growing with your income even beyond $75,000 a year — but only if you're not in the "unhappy minority."www.cnbc.com