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Vic

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This is not a COVID phenomenon, this has been happening steadily for years, accelerating after the 2008 financial crisis as adequate housing has not been built.

It’s not a complicated problem, it’s simple supply and demand, but the result is greater wealth for incumbent landowners and increased costs for people just starting out. Add on to that the exploding costs of student loans thanks to cuts in higher education funding and you have a world that’s a lot more expensive for those under 30 than it was for you.
Well... this and conservatives also tend to look back fondly on good ol days that never existed.
For example, just ask any one of them and they'll swear up and down that crime rates used to be lower in the 80s and 90s.
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Not everyone has to purchase a home. Rent for now while building up savings. Learn a more marketable skill to increase your income. Cut out all of the frivolous BS spending.

Pay rent to parents, lol. Of course it's a better "deal". But it's a huge detriment to growing into a mature adult when you can float around your parents house with little to no responsibilities.
LOL stop eating avocado toast and you can afford a house. LOL learn to code if you want a living wage, because all the peons who serve me food, drive me places, stock the grocery store shelves, deliver my amazon orders, etc should live in poverty even though I still want them providing services for me.
 

fskimospy

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No, I think it's a cultural issue, not a govt/legal one.

I also put a lot of blame on gen x/boomer parents, who raised their kids to "follow your heartttt money will followww". And let their adult children live in their basements never learning accountability, finance, basic social requirements.
You might appreciate this quote:

The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.

It is attributed to Socrates. The older generations always think the younger ones are lazy. It’s just a flaw in how people perceive the world.
 

Vic

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You mean a persistent lack of staff at the rate they are willing to pay them.

The market for labor is highly competitive right now - if a business is not efficient enough to pay those higher wages they will lose out.
And BWW is too heavily burdened by debt service to be sufficiently efficient.
 

fskimospy

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Well... this and conservatives also tend to look back fondly on good ol days that never existed.
For example, just ask any one of them and they'll swear up and down that crime rates used to be lower in the 80s and 90s.
Yes, saw some Fox News clips where the hosts were ranting about how crime is at all time highs when really it’s close to all time lows.
 
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Vic

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You might appreciate this quote:



It is attributed to Socrates. The older generations always think the younger ones are lazy. It’s just a flaw in how people perceive the world.
In my own middle age, I've determined it's a byproduct of the aging process. We think the whole world is going to shit when it's really just ourselves.
 
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Yes, saw some Fox News clips where the hosts were ranting about how crime is at all time highs when really it’s close to all time lows.

My relatives think any American city is literally like Gaza right now.

To be fair there are some problems, but there always have been. Lots of homelessness, addiction and mental illness, that's for sure. But as someone posted, the crime numbers are what they are.

"Those are skewed by the mainstream media!" Yep, this conversation is over, how about them Vikings (they suck...ok)
 
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SteveGrabowski

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Yep. I've worked my ass off my entire life. I'm at a point where if I can do anything to give me some free time it's worthwhile.



Sure, another good topic. During covid, the government showed landlords (both individual and corps) that if there's some kind of mini crisis they are going to have to eat shit. Now everyone is pikachu face shocked that landlords are no longer uncle bob with his spare lakehouse. The only group that can accept that risk are mega investment firms, typically foreign, who use them more to hold assets/wealth than anything else.
Fuck 'em. Landlord isn't a productive job.
 

K1052

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Well... this and conservatives also tend to look back fondly on good ol days that never existed.
For example, just ask any one of them and they'll swear up and down that crime rates used to be lower in the 80s and 90s.

My fox news binging dad tried to tell me that there is more unrest than in the 60s during the Floyd protests. I literally said "Are you for fucking real?".
 

PumpkinCake

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Fuck 'em. Landlord isn't a productive job.


Residential landlord is a fucking brutal miserable job. I did it with a couple properties when I was younger. The night I sold the last property, I had the best sleep of my life. I still vividly remember the relief of not dealing with stupid shit from tenants.
 

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No, I think it's a cultural issue, not a govt/legal one.

I also put a lot of blame on gen x/boomer parents, who raised their kids to "follow your heartttt money will followww". And let their adult children live in their basements never learning accountability, finance, basic social requirements.
WTF is this tripe?
 
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PumpkinCake

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It's literally parasitic rent seeking

I have no idea about current statistics, but for a very long time, the #1 single family landlord was someone who bought a home during the mortgage bs in the early 2000's. Then when the recession hit, they were SUPER upside down and unable to sell - forced to either foreclose or rent it out when losing a job and having to move.

I said earlier, I'm generally against govt regulation, but multi family needs some. And we need to outlaw corps from owning single family.
 
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Vic

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My relatives think any American city is literally like Gaza right now.

To be fair there are some problems, but there always have been. Lots of homelessness, addiction and mental illness, that's for sure. But as someone posted, the crime numbers are what they are.

"Those are skewed by the mainstream media!" Yep, this conversation is over, how about them Vikings (they suck...ok)
Fun fact: the only "crime rates are out of control" propaganda is really part of an agenda to bring back the drug war and selective police brutality.
I live in Portland so I have a front row seat for this BS. Conservatives are thoroughly convinced that cops not being able to arbitrarily lock up or summarily execute certain citizens means there must be more crime, even when there isn't. These are the self-labelled Christian conservatives who instead of offering assistance will call the police if someone's car breaks down in their neighborhood while posting bizarre conspiracies about the person on Nextdoor.
 

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Residential landlord is a fucking brutal miserable job. I did it with a couple properties when I was younger. The night I sold the last property, I had the best sleep of my life. I still vividly remember the relief of not dealing with stupid shit from tenants.

On this we fully agree.

Enough of the simple minded generalizations guys...you want every property to be owned by some bank? You think tenants will be better off? We aren't all slumlords. We work our asses off for our tenants, and for years they got better stuff in this property than we did (because we couldn't afford to say put new flooring in both). My wife and I invested in property because where the fuck else is better to put your money?

It's brutal and there are some truly awful tenants that will steal, break and otherwise make as much trouble as possible. Not many, thankfully, but enough to where it is not fun. Hell it's not fun even *with* good tenants, it's work--if you are not that dick that just lets their properties fall apart and don't do anything about it.

Yep, triggered landlord. All I can say is, we are not rolling in dough, it's a grind and hopefully better than watching all our money drain out of 401ks (which I have from work, but I'm afraid to look at it.) landlords (can be) people too!
 
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PumpkinCake

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Okay. Maybe the forum software got triggered because the new guy is posting so prolifically and it thinks it's spam.
Is there some way to fix it? Having to wait 5 minutes between posting is a pretty serious form of oppression and I won't stand for it!

Fun fact: the only "crime rates are out of control" propaganda is really part of an agenda to bring back the drug war and selective police brutality.
I live in Portland so I have a front row seat for this BS. Conservatives are thoroughly convinced that cops not being able to arbitrarily lock up or summarily execute certain citizens means there must be more crime, even when there isn't. These are the self-labelled Christian conservatives who instead of offering assistance will call the police if someone's car breaks down in their neighborhood while posting bizarre conspiracies about the person on Nextdoor.

As someone who is square in the middle politically, I think the frustration is more, why are DAs not charging people who are committing serious crimes? I know that opens the door to talking about overcrowded jails, but it's a serious problem.
 
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Fun fact: the only "crime rates are out of control" propaganda is really part of an agenda to bring back the drug war and selective police brutality.
I live in Portland so I have a front row seat for this BS. Conservatives are thoroughly convinced that cops not being able to arbitrarily lock up or summarily execute certain citizens means there must be more crime, even when there isn't. These are the self-labelled Christian conservatives who instead of offering assistance will call the police if someone's car breaks down in their neighborhood while posting bizarre conspiracies about the person on Nextdoor.
They are full of shit about the much reported retail theft apocalypse too.
 
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fskimospy

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Fun fact: the only "crime rates are out of control" propaganda is really part of an agenda to bring back the drug war and selective police brutality.
I live in Portland so I have a front row seat for this BS. Conservatives are thoroughly convinced that cops not being able to arbitrarily lock up or summarily execute certain citizens means there must be more crime, even when there isn't. These are the self-labelled Christian conservatives who instead of offering assistance will call the police if someone's car breaks down in their neighborhood while posting bizarre conspiracies about the person on Nextdoor.
I think there is something to the idea that there is more visible disorder in some places than in the past, even as actual crime is way down.

As mentioned it’s no longer unusual to see homeless people strewn about downtown areas. While that’s not crime, it’s still disorder. Of course now we are back to housing again.
 
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