Ever seen a business close due to being unable to find employees?

[Fanatical Meat]

Saw this in telecom soooo much.

Quoting my own post because I now have time to answer more completely:

At a MAJOR telecom we had this wonderful new smart phone & it really increased our billing revenue by a substantial amount. My Sales People and I got a few months of beyond normal commission checks, not multitudes more but a good bump, few hundred dollars. Month four later revenue requirements went waaaay up thus returning our commission checks to their traditional levels.
I go to a training class months later and all the non sales folks are saying:
Wow you must be earning huge money, our we are all qualifying for year end bonuses due to the sales volume.
I was like nope we had a few decent months and now it’s back to normal.

Point being while I totally understand a quota based employee already has performance bonuses built into their pay and not qualifying for a year end bonus is fine due to those reasons. The problem is A) non sales staff have one goal which is totally separate from sales employees B) if non sales people are capping our their bonuses due to sales performance, maybe the sales quota is set a bit high. C) if you are going to set a separate goal the one thing you shouldn’t do is complain sales volume is far too low when literally every other bonus eligible employee is attaining their maximum bonus payout. Pretty fucking irritating to lie like that.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This job ad seems familiar somehow 🤣

As a sales guy I learned that “up to” and “less than” carry the same meaning

 

[DAPUNISHER]

As a sales guy I learned that “up to” and “less than” carry the same meaning

Crap. My thumb hit the back button and I didn't notice. Just spammed this up with P&N's middle name content.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Crap. My thumb hit the back button and I didn't notice. Just spammed this up with P&N's middle name content.

Still good stuff

 

[Leeea]

Lol $15 an hour in 2023?

Is that some sort of bad joke?

 

[BoomerD]

Lol $15 an hour in 2023?

Is that some sort of bad joke?

Here in Washington state, the minimum wage is $15.74, going to $16.28 on 1/1/2024.

 

[MrSquished]

Hey Pumpkin Head or, errr, @pumkpinhead, I have a solution for you.

You should advertise for fellow right wing MAGA employees. Tell them look, you're their brother.

You only want patriotic Americans and patriotic Americans work hard. No pussy liberals with their higher salaries. We may not pay competitively or with benefits either, and have a shitty work environment, but we need people that can buy into our dream. So seeking like minded MAGA employees, who care more about being with shitty people than being paid appropriately and treated better

 

[zinfamous]

I'm not sure these forums needed an urban Texashiker, but here we are.



Also interesting that this "new member" went straight to P&N to post a thread like this, no?

 

[Fenixgoon]

I'm not sure these forums needed an urban Texashiker, but here we are.



Also interesting that this "new member" went straight to P&N to post a thread like this, no?

I think we occasionally get new accounts directly in here, but I'm fairly certain they are universally viewed with suspicion until proven not-a-bot/spammer/shill 😂

 

[PumpkinCake]

Hey Pumpkin Head or, errr, @pumkpinhead, I have a solution for you.

You should advertise for fellow right wing MAGA employees. Tell them look, you're their brother.

You only want patriotic Americans and patriotic Americans work hard. No pussy liberals with their higher salaries. We may not pay competitively or with benefits either, and have a shitty work environment, but we need people that can buy into our dream. So seeking like minded MAGA employees, who care more about being with shitty people than being paid appropriately and treated better

Brutally honest and not PC but I don't think the average native born american works that hard. Both on the right and the left.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Brutally honest and not PC but I don't think the average native born american works that hard. Both on the right and the left.

Translation:
I want cheap labor that I can abuse.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Brutally honest and not PC but I don't think the average native born american works that hard. Both on the right and the left.

What a weird hot take. So only immigrants work hard? You are a goofy goober.

This is 2017 stats. Notice we work more but are less productive than the few countries ahead of us. IMO it's because the work life balance in the U.S. needs to improve.

 

[brycejones]

Brutally honest and not PC but I don't think the average native born american works that hard. Both on the right and the left.

Are you concerned about hours worked or productivity and quality?

 

[PumpkinCake]

Are you concerned about hours worked or productivity and quality?

Depends on the employees pay vs market rate.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Depends on the employees pay vs market rate.

Both of which you, the owner of the company control. So basically, it all depends on your feelz.

 

[PumpkinCake]

Both of which you, the owner of the company control. So basically, it all depends on your feelz.

Employee's are responsible for their pay rate, at least in skilled positions. If you don't like your pay, and feel like you are contributing more than you're earning, you are welcome to go work elsewhere.

 

[fskimospy]

Employee's are responsible for their pay rate, at least in skilled positions. If you don't like your pay, and feel like you are contributing more than you're earning, you are welcome to go work elsewhere.

Which again comes back to your OP - if people can't find employees they need to raise pay to meet the market. If they are not efficient enough to pay market rates then they should close.

 

[sdifox]

op: employees can decide to leave if they don't like the compensation.
also op: why is no one taking these jobs?

 

[fskimospy]

op: employees can decide to leave if they don't like the compensation.
also op: why is no one taking these jobs?

I really think I answered this on the first page. Employers were used to a slack work market for years and years and now that they don't have it they are finding it difficult to adjust.

This is fundamentally their problem to figure out though, in much the same way that it was employee's problem to figure out the old slack labor markets.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Employee's are responsible for their pay rate, at least in skilled positions. If you don't like your pay, and feel like you are contributing more than you're earning, you are welcome to go work elsewhere.

Thanks for confirming my point , and proving your own belief false, all in the very same paragraph.

 

[NWRMidnight]

op: employees can decide to leave if they don't like the compensation.
also op: why is no one taking these jobs?

Because he doesn't understand he is in full control of every aspect of it, but somehow wants to shift that responsibility and blame to the employees and prospective employees, believing they are the ones who are in control and to blame. Hence why we get threads like this started.

 

[Leeea]

Brutally honest and not PC but I don't think the average native born american works that hard. Both on the right and the left.

it all comes out. It is his own business going down the tubes.


We all know the type. We all have worked for the type.


Ah capitalism. Culling the noncompetitive.


I wonder how Mr. PumpkinCake is going to enjoy working for the man after so many years? If we are lucky he will get to work for someone just like himself.

 

[Stokely]

Brutally honest and not PC but I don't think the average native born american works that hard. Both on the right and the left.

I've worked in corporate IT for over 30 years--and while hardly the most grueling industry around, that generalization is crap. If anything, people work too hard and too much. A lot of projects have a "crunch time" right around launch, but when that is months long and salaried employees are expected to work 60, 70, 80 hours a week to meet deadlines that is quite simply either poor planning by management and/or they are willing to abuse their workers.

And oh gee, we can't pay overtime but there will be "comp time" later. Let's see, you spent 3 months working unpaid overtime, so here's your 2 days off...enjoy and thank you for your service!

At companies I've worked for, they don't "force" you to give up family life...they "encourage" you to be a "team player". And the younger people without families that are newer to the company will bend over and take it first, leaving the rest of us to look like lazy bums if we want work-life balance.

Sure there are lazy employees but there's a solution--hire better ones. Be prepared to pay competitive wages and let people actually have lives, or you'll just train up the good ones only to lose them.

 

[nOOky]

I've worked in corporate IT for over 30 years--and while hardly the most grueling industry around, that generalization is crap. If anything, people work too hard and too much. A lot of projects have a "crunch time" right around launch, but when that is months long and salaried employees are expected to work 60, 70, 80 hours a week to meet deadlines that is quite simply either poor planning by management and/or they are willing to abuse their workers.

And oh gee, we can't pay overtime but there will be "comp time" later. Let's see, you spent 3 months working unpaid overtime, so here's your 2 days off...enjoy and thank you for your service!

At companies I've worked for, they don't "force" you to give up family life...they "encourage" you to be a "team player". And the younger people without families that are newer to the company will bend over and take it first, leaving the rest of us to look like lazy bums if we want work-life balance.

Sure there are lazy employees but there's a solution--hire better ones. Be prepared to pay competitive wages and let people actually have lives, or you'll just train up the good ones only to lose them.

Our company has so many people that the worthless employees and are allowed to keep their jobs because the good employees always take up their slack. After a while it basically kills the initiative of the hard working, because they don't feel like busting their ass when the guy next to them is lazy and gets the same pay. If you do work harder and want a promotion, you just end up doing more work for the same because the ass kisser ahead of you will get the job anyway.

And the new employees we can get are very low quality, not trying to be mean but jesus are kids afraid to work these days. And we offer the highest pay and benefits here. I think that may actually work against us because there are other jobs local that pay less, but also require less manual labor, and kids don't seem to want to work for higher pay, they'd rather take less and live more simply. It's a conundrum because simply increasing the wages now will only cost the company money.

 

[nakedfrog]

Our company has so many people that the worthless employees and are allowed to keep their jobs because the good employees always take up their slack. After a while it basically kills the initiative of the hard working, because they don't feel like busting their ass when the guy next to them is lazy and gets the same pay. If you do work harder and want a promotion, you just end up doing more work for the same because the ass kisser ahead of you will get the job anyway.

And the new employees we can get are very low quality, not trying to be mean but jesus are kids afraid to work these days. And we offer the highest pay and benefits here. I think that may actually work against us because there are other jobs local that pay less, but also require less manual labor, and kids don't seem to want to work for higher pay, they'd rather take less and live more simply. It's a conundrum because simply increasing the wages now will only cost the company money.

That will only make someone work just hard enough to not get fired, you know?
I don't see anything wrong with taking less money and living more simply.