Ever seen a business close due to being unable to find employees?

[MrSquished]

The 40-hour work week has long been antiquated. It was a battle hard fought by the unions with blood in a far different more regressive time.

Between 5 days a week 8 hours a day plus many people have to commute still, there is not enough time left for living from work just living to work.

Especially if you have a family, and you have to raise kids, free time is a tiny part of your year.

Plus with email and texts many jobs you end up working quite a bit after hours. It's always part of your time including most of your free time.

One just has to look at wealth inequality to see why this is so. A four-day work week is still most of your week working. But that's not enough for this parasitical owner class.

 

[IJTSSG]

The 40-hour work week has long been antiquated. It was a battle hard fought by the unions with blood in a far different more regressive time.

Between 5 days a week 8 hours a day plus many people have to commute still, there is not enough time left for living from work just living to work.

Especially if you have a family, and you have to raise kids, free time is a tiny part of your year.

Plus with email and texts many jobs you end up working quite a bit after hours. It's always part of your time including most of your free time.

One just has to look at wealth inequality to see why this is so. A four-day work week is still most of your week working. But that's not enough for this parasitical owner class.

It's not a surprise that the ones whining about having to work are also life's biggest losers.

 

[Muse]

Also, we don't pay out unused PTO. Everyone is encouraged to use all of their PTO. Or, they lose it.

When I was let go suddenly and without warning from my last FT job of some 2 1/2 years all my vacation time was unused. I considered myself indispensable. There was nobody there who could do my mission critical job. I petitioned the company to pay me for that and I got it. Uh, nobody encouraged me to use it ever, but I got it in $$$.

 

[BoomerD]

When I was let go suddenly and without warning from my last FT job of some 2 1/2 years all my vacation time was unused. I considered myself indispensable. There was nobody there who could do my mission critical job. I petitioned the company to pay me for that and I got it. Uh, nobody encouraged me to use it ever, but I got it in $$$.

Muse, CA law treats vacation pay like wages/salary. Any unused amount MUST be paid to the employee upon termination. Sick leave is different...no requirement to pay unused amounts.

 

[NWRMidnight]

It's not a surprise that the ones whining about having to work are also life's biggest losers.

So, wanting a shorter work week, so you can have better quality of life, more time with family, and more time to do things you enjoy, comes from life's biggest losers? You sure about that? I'm pretty sure, just the events and strikes that have taken place since Covid, from some of the hardest working people around.. nurses for example, and many others, Shows otherwise.

Sounds like you have been drinking the bullshit water.

 

[Muse]

Muse, CA law treats vacation pay like wages/salary. Any unused amount MUST be paid to the employee upon termination. Sick leave is different...no requirement to pay unused amounts.

Aha, thanks. I didn't take sick leave either but insisted they pay me the vacation time accrued, I never took a day off for anything. They at first were not going to pay me but I insisted and they did for the vacation time.

 

[PumpkinCake]

I see you are just pulling more shit out of your ass, and/or you are outing yourself even more.. 18 days pto.. how the fuck did you come up with that number? PTO is generally based off of 5 day work weeks,.so it would be 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or 30 days PTO. Some companies base it off of Sun thru Sat, full weeks (7 days per week), so it would be 7, 14, 21, or 28 days. Since you are using a 5 day work week for your reduction numbers.. I have a feeling the 18 PTO days was based off of 6 day work weeks. I find it amusing you throw out these arbitratry numbers saying "you think" this is what they are, and "you think" these are the guidelines on usage,. Yet you claimed YOU came up with these before COVID. If these are legitimate numbers and guidelines that YOU came up with, why don't you know them? (I suspect you dont know them, because you are pulling them out of your ass to make yourself sound good).

My question is; Why worry about looking like an asshole now? I can garantee every single one of your employees already knows that you are an asshole; so if/when you make that change, it will be expected.

Accrue 1.5 days a month of PTO. 12 months x 1.5 = 18

 

[PumpkinCake]

I see that you are going to double down and keep lying. it's either you are lying your ass off, have a poor memory, and/or you can't do math.

If you expect the bare minimum of 40 hours a week, where the fuck did you get a reduction of 28% of pay for the suggested 32 hour/4 day work week? The math shows otherwise, 40 hours a week, minues 8 hours is 20%. So, you either expect 45 hours a week from your employees now, or you have the belief if they went to a 32 hour work week, they should be paid even less per hour, for more productivity. So either you are a liar, or a shitty, cheap, dirtbag employer.. which is it? (you don't need to answer, we already know you are both a liar and a cheap, dirtbag employer). See when you lie and can't do math, you out yourself. And now, you are claiming a couple days a month working late, and 1 to 2 times a year during crunch times bullshit, when you already admitted that your employees work late 3 to 4 times a month (expected), and 2 to 3 times a year during crunch times (expected), in your previous posts, which I already pointed out that the math doesn't add up. 3 to 4 times a month equals 36 to 48 times a year, not 2 to 3 times a year staying late for crunch times.. Crunch times btw is just an exuces shitty employers hide behind for their poor mananagment and planning skills who build their business around abusing their emplyees time.

You know what, you can forget math being an issue, you have proven you are just a fucking liar, who has outted himself as you keep chaning your story. See that's what happens to liars, they can't keep their stories straight, and get caught lying when they start giving different answers than their previuos asnwer. People who tell the truth, their answers never change, as they aren't pullling made up shit out of their asses, as they try to remember the pervious lie. The fact that you don't pay out unused PTO, shows just how shitty you are as an employer. And dont' give us the bullshit "we encourage them to use it, or lose it" line. You already said if a person doesn't stay late to take care of a customer that calls at closing time, will be fired on the spot. Which indicates you are also an employer who won't approve PTO on simular ground because they need to be there to take care of the customer. Many of us on this board, have at some point or another, worked for a sleazy, shitty employer like you in our lives, and reconize the bullshit coming from you.

If I where you, I would stop responding, because all you are doing is cementing the fact that you are a shiity, lying employer who can't keep his story straight.

edit: spellling is hard for me today! (I am sure there are more)

Yea I’m better at spelling and grammar than math.

 

[PumpkinCake]

so to recap, you've had one of your most successful years, your employees work from home, and they don't take PTO.

so where are these lazy employees? if they weren't productive, you wouldn't be successful.

I don’t have any lazy employees. Thankfully it’s highly skilled and requires a lot of work to get into the field.

 

[IronWing]

It's not a surprise that the ones whining about having to work are also life's biggest losers.

A Calvinist dickweed says, "wha?"

 

[PumpkinCake]

Muse, CA law treats vacation pay like wages/salary. Any unused amount MUST be paid to the employee upon termination. Sick leave is different...no requirement to pay unused amounts.

Yep which is why almost all companies nowadays use an accrual system for PTO. We’ve been burned by lazy workers who you have to fire or quit after a couple months and expect a huge PTO payout.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I don’t have any lazy employees. Thankfully it’s highly skilled and requires a lot of work to get into the field.

so why are you complaining when employees work from home? or "WFH" as you put it.

 

[MrSquished]

It's not a surprise that the ones whining about having to work are also life's biggest losers.

Look at you a little Trump using the word losers. I mean what are you fucking 5 years old? Get a fucking grip. I've no issue with working I'm all for a good life and work balance.

Also if you think discussing major sociopolitical and economic subjects is whining, That's your own problem not ours.

If you want to live to work that's your choice. Humanity is evolving and needs to continue to evolve.

The same kind of people were against the 40-hour work week and against labor safety regulations said the same, anybody who was for that were lazy people.

I know you won't evolve but let the rest of us do it.

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/11/1207991399/4-four-day-work-week-manufacturing-work-life-balance

 

[NWRMidnight]

Yep which is why almost all companies nowadays use an accrual system for PTO. We’ve been burned by lazy workers who you have to fire or quit after a couple months and expect a huge PTO payout.

Hope you are not in CA, because if you are, you are breaking the law with your "We don't pay out unused PTO" crap.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Accrue 1.5 days a month of PTO. 12 months x 1.5 = 18

So, someone who works 173.2 hours a month (40x4.33) gets the same PTO as somone who works 216.5 hours a month (50x4.33). How does that seem fair to you? That's why most companies who set their PTO base it off of 40 hour/5 day work weeks, which means those that work more, can earn more PTO.

 

[DrDoug]

I'm not interested enough in this topic to read every page but has anyone asked the OP to cough up some numbers instead of percentages? I read the first page and all I see are their complaints, the responses and no information to back up their assertions. How about it?

 

[brycejones]

I'm not interested enough in this topic to read every page but has anyone asked the OP to cough up some numbers instead of percentages? I read the first page and all I see are their complaints, the responses and no information to back up their assertions. How about it?

It’s just another variation on the no one wants to work but people in jobs the OP feels are beneath him should expect to be paid very little and not complain about it because business owners need to pay below living wages to make money thread.

 

[PumpkinCake]

Hope you are not in CA, because if you are, you are breaking the law with your "We don't pay out unused PTO" crap.

How old are you?

It’s called accrued PTO. If you’re a lazy worker and are let go after 30 days you only have 1.5 days of PTO to pay out.

 

[NWRMidnight]

How old are you?

It’s called accrued PTO. If you’re a lazy worker and are let go after 30 days you only have 1.5 days of PTO to pay out.

I will be 54 in 2 weeks. What does my age have to do with what i said? I am fully aware of what accrued PTO is; It's based on X PTO for Y time, which if you actually read what I posted, you would see that I am fully aware of what acrued PTO is. You didn't bother to respond to my question of how fair your 1.5 PTO per month is, you just fucking ignored it, along with the rest of what I said. In your case, you accrue it in one of the most unfair, shitty ways possible, with no way for ANYONE to earn more than 1.5 days per month, no matter how many hours, days, or weeks they work. You are the worst of the worse, shitties, cheapest, exploitive, abusive type of owner, and every time you post, you prove it more and more.

Did you even read what I said, and try to comprehend it? OR where you in such a hurry to prove once again you are a liar, and just ignored it? Why claim you would only have to pay out 1.5 days PTO if they are let go after 30 days, when you already told us you don't pay out unsused PTO? If you fire them, they don't get to use it, now do they? (kind of my point of saying I hope you aren't in CA) It seems, every time you post something, later down the road, you say something that is different than what you said before. That makes you a liar.

I told you to stop responding.. but no. you keep throwing another lie onto the pile, and confirm without a doubt what kind of an employer you are.

 

[brycejones]

I will be 54 in 2 weeks. What does my age have to do with what i said? I am fully aware of what accrued PTO is; It's based on X PTO for Y time, which if you actually read what I posted, you would see that I am fully aware of what acrued PTO is. You didn't bother to respond to my question of how fair your 1.5 PTO per month is, you just fucking ignored it, along with the rest of what I said. In your case, you accrue it in one of the most unfair, shitty ways possible, with no way for ANYONE to earn more than 1.5 days per month, no matter how many hours, days, or weeks they work. You are the worst of the worse, shitties, cheapest, exploitive, abusive type of owner, and every time you post, you prove it more and more.

Did you even read what I said, and try to comprehend it? OR where you in such a hurry to prove once again you are a liar, and just ignored it? Why claim you would only have to pay out 1.5 days PTO if they are let go after 30 days, when you already told us you don't pay out unsused PTO? If you fire them, they don't get to use it, now do they? (kind of my point of saying I hope you aren't in CA) It seems, every time you post something, later down the road, you say something that is different than what you said before. That makes you a liar.

I told you to stop responding.. but no. you keep throwing another lie onto the pile, and confirm without a doubt what kind of an employer you are.

Dudes a chair checker and values hours worked over productivity and quality. Says all i need to know about the OP as a leader.

 

[IJTSSG]

Look at you a little Trump using the word losers. I mean what are you fucking 5 years old? Get a fucking grip. I've no issue with working I'm all for a good life and work balance.

Also if you think discussing major sociopolitical and economic subjects is whining, That's your own problem not ours.

If you want to live to work that's your choice. Humanity is evolving and needs to continue to evolve.

The same kind of people were against the 40-hour work week and against labor safety regulations said the same, anybody who was for that were lazy people.

I know you won't evolve but let the rest of us do it.

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/11/1207991399/4-four-day-work-week-manufacturing-work-life-balance

You think you're evolved? Evolving? You're not. You're a worthless loser and a bipolar bitch that has literally failed at everything you've ever attempted. In addition you're antisemitic, a terrorist sympathizer, a liar, a coward and a hypocrite who lacks even a miniscule amount of self awareness.

If what you are is evolved or evolving, me and every other living entity in the universe is going to take a pass. You are nothing more than an epic piece of shit and obviously will never be anything more than that. Pathetic.

 

[brycejones]

You think you're evolved? Evolving? You're not. You're a worthless loser and a bipolar bitch that has literally failed at everything you've ever attempted. In addition you're antisemitic, a terrorist sympathizer, a liar, a coward and a hypocrite who lacks even a miniscule amount of self awareness.

If what you are is evolved or evolving, me and every other living entity in the universe is going to take a pass. You are nothing more than an epic piece of shit and obviously will never be anything more than that. Pathetic.

Rule #1 of conservatives: Every accusation is a confession.

Man you've got some shit to deal with. Good luck!

 

[repoman0]

Rule #1 of conservatives: Every accusation is a confession.

Man you've got some shit to deal with. Good luck!

* writes typical abusive angry drunk post after downing a handle and beating ex-wife in his trailer * .. “Wow you guys are total losers har har!”

The OP likes this guy’s posts though, wonder if that’s how he speaks to his employees? But you know, he pays them for it so it’s cool.

edit: oh also, the OP has been “totally polite and mistreated” here and yet tacitly thinks that the angry abusive drunk vibe is an acceptable way to talk to people. @PumpkinCake the fake.

 

[Fenixgoon]

You think you're evolved? Evolving? You're not. You're a worthless loser and a bipolar bitch that has literally failed at everything you've ever attempted. In addition you're antisemitic, a terrorist sympathizer, a liar, a coward and a hypocrite who lacks even a miniscule amount of self awareness.

If what you are is evolved or evolving, me and every other living entity in the universe is going to take a pass. You are nothing more than an epic piece of shit and obviously will never be anything more than that. Pathetic.

tell me you have problems without telling me you have problems

 

[MrSquished]

You think you're evolved? Evolving? You're not. You're a worthless loser and a bipolar bitch that has literally failed at everything you've ever attempted. In addition you're antisemitic, a terrorist sympathizer, a liar, a coward and a hypocrite who lacks even a miniscule amount of self awareness.

If what you are is evolved or evolving, me and every other living entity in the universe is going to take a pass. You are nothing more than an epic piece of shit and obviously will never be anything more than that. Pathetic.

oh noessss.

a dumbfuck maga cavemen went off projecting on me. what am i to do?