ever wanna be the led zeppelin of somethin?

spaceman

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mediocre?
maybe you are already
like i wanna meet the led zeppelin of cashing in cans
of edging
of setting a form
of throwing paper in the garbage
 

Crono

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i just wanna let you know
spaceman
that every post u make
is a rock ballad in
my mind

:wub: spaceman
 

Oil

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mediocre?
maybe you are already
like i wanna meet the led zeppelin of cashing in cans
of edging
of setting a form
of throwing paper in the garbage

The Led Zeppelin of something? Why would I want to be known for stealing other people's ideas?
 

Perknose

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i just wanna let you know
spaceman
that every post u make
is a rock ballad in
my mind

:wub: spaceman

:thumbsup:

spaceman
borrows from no one
yet pays us all back
with interest
 

Perknose

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when was led zepplin ever accused of stealing ideas?

As with Jagger and the Stones, they've been accused of ripping off previous black blues masters, and others.

Ok, here's one list from the web:

Here’s the list, and comments, from the above site, which also contains reviews of Zep albums . . .

• ""Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" - A folk song by Anne Bredon, this was originally credited as "traditional, arranged by Jimmy Page," then "words and music by Jimmy Page," and then, following legal action, "Bredon/Page/Plant."

• "Black Mountain Side" - uncredited version of a traditional folk tune previously recorded by Bert Jansch.

• "Bring It On Home" - the first section is an uncredited cover of the Willie Dixon tune (as performed by the imposter Sonny Boy Williamson). Blogovich sez: This gets complicated in the “imposter” Sonny Boy part. There were indeed two of the dude, Rice Miller (the second Sonny Boy) and John Lee Williamson (Sonny Boy I) although Sonny Boy II wound up being, arguably, the more well-known, partly because he lasted longer — Sonny Boy I was murdered at age 34 during a robbery, but we don’t have time or space to get into all that; read a blues book if you’re interested. Bottom line: Zep ripped the song off.

• "Communication Breakdown" - apparently derived from Eddie Cochran's "Nervous Breakdown."

• "Custard Pie" - uncredited cover of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down," with lyrics from Sleepy John Estes's "Drop Down Daddy."

• "Dazed And Confused" - uncredited cover of the Jake Holmes song (see The Above Ground Sound Of Jake Holmes). Blogovich sez: This is the one to which Jeff, who commented on the blog, refers.

• "Hats Off To (Roy) Harper" - uncredited version of Bukka White's "Shake 'Em On Down."

• "How Many More Times" - Part one is an uncredited cover of the Howlin' Wolf song (available on numerous compilations). Part two is an uncredited cover of Albert King's "The Hunter."

• "In My Time Of Dying" - uncredited cover of the traditional song (as heard on Bob Dylan's debut).

• "The Lemon Song" - uncredited cover of Howlin' Wolf's "Killing Floor" - Wolf's publisher sued Zeppelin in the early 70's and settled out of court.

• "Moby Dick" - written and first recorded by Sleepy John Estes under the title "The Girl I Love," and later covered by Bobby Parker.

• "Nobody's Fault But Mine" - uncredited cover of the Blind Willie Johnson blues.

• "Since I've Been Lovin' You" - lyrics are the same as Moby Grape's "Never," though the music isn't similar.

• "Stairway To Heaven" - the main guitar line is apparently from "Taurus" by Spirit. Blogovich sez: Not “apparently”. This one is startling. Taurus, by Spirit (great band, pick up a compilation at least, highly recommended), is an instrumental of three minutes' duration; Zep copied the entire song and used it as the intro to Stairway. Give it a listen. But sit down first. Ridiculous.

• "White Summer" - uncredited cover of Davey Graham's "She Moved Through The Fair."

• " Whole Lotta Love" - lyrics are from the Willie Dixon blues "You Need Love."

• Here’s one not from the site but from Blogovich: Give “Sail Away” by Deep Purple (1974 Burn album with David Coverdale on lead vocals) a listen and tell me Zep’s Trampled Underfoot from Physical Graffiti (1975) isn’t the same borrowed-from-Ritchie Blackmore riff, just speeded up. And Zep singer Robert Plant had the gall, at the height of the later Whitesnake’s admittedly Zep-derivative success, to call Coverdale “David Coverversion”? Amazing arrogance and the pot calling the kettle black crap. Further, Plant’s got the gall to write forwards to blues books and such, while his band so overtly ripped off those same artists. Amazing arrogance, Percy.

Zep defenders say old blues artists did the same thing with tunes, borrowing, adjusting, and so on. And that is in some measure arguably true. But nobody ever did it to Zep's extent. Not even close. Perhaps they could have given just a wee bit of credit where it was due?

That’s why, despite the hours of enjoyment (and maybe that’s enough for some people and that’s OK) Zep provided, they’ll always be a few cuts below the all-time greats in my estimation.
 

Northern Lawn

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mediocre?
maybe you are already
like i wanna meet the led zeppelin of cashing in cans
of edging
of setting a form
of throwing paper in the garbage

Do you mean Led Zeppelin in the good way or the bad way? I mean Led Zeppelin originally meant to crash and burn.
 

Blain

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when was led zepplin ever accused of stealing ideas?
() That's precious...
Hold onto your innocence, don't become jaded.


As with Jagger and the Stones, they've been accused of ripping off previous black blues masters, and others.

Ok, here's one list from the web:
But it was a different times. The young Brit audience needed some guidance towards the richness of the blues.
After all, they didn't have Google.
 
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Northern Lawn

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() That's precious...
Hold onto your innocence, don't become jaded.



But it was a different times. The young Brit audience needed some guidance towards the richness of the blues.
After all, they didn't have Google.

That thing with stairway to heaven lick being stolen.. this is the first time i heard of it but I did listen on you tube. Wow, ripoff. But, I still think Zep is the best 70's band, nothing is completely original.
 

wirednuts

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That thing with stairway to heaven lick being stolen.. this is the first time i heard of it but I did listen on you tube. Wow, ripoff. But, I still think Zep is the best 70's band, nothing is completely original.

spirit's version sucks. original or not.
 

IGBT

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sounds like you need something to do. I have some toilets and urinals you should be talented enough to clean.
 

Fritzo

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http://www.cracked.com/article_18500_the-5-most-famous-musicians-who-are-thieving-bastards.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiY4ciKFQA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiiY4ciKFQA

they stole, (if you know ANYTHING about intellectual property rights law, the FACT and the PROPER WORD is S T O L E) and got rich off the creativity of American Negroes who created those songs, and the arrangements, and styling. The absolute worst was the utter slimeball Jmmy Paige, who repeatedly travelled throughout the USa deep south seeking material from negroes.

LZ belongs in prison for IP (Intellectual Property Rights) theft. No respect. They grew extremely rich off the creativity of American negroes who never got a penny in royalties, nor even any mention of authorship. Supposedly, the (FAKE THIEF) author was Jimmy Paige.

Man I despise that slimeball.

BOOOOOO

So, why weren't the originals as popular as the versions LZ did?
 

wirednuts

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So, why weren't the originals as popular as the versions LZ did?

because the originals sucked.

jimi hendrix covered the song "all along the watchtower" and even though many people know its a remake, nobody cares and everyone give jimi the credit for his version being so awesome.

brad nowell from sublime "stole" a shit load of "his" songs. it was never about copying others work- its much more about hearing something you like and building on it. barrington levy never called brad a plagerist, and everyone recognizes sublimes versions of songs as their own, because they are.
 
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Fritzo

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because the originals sucked.

jimi hendrix covered the song "all along the watchtower" and even though many people know its a remake, nobody cares and everyone give jimi the credit for his version being so awesome.

brad nowell from sublime "stole" a shit load of "his" songs. it was never about copying others work- its much more about hearing something you like and building on it. barrington levy never called brad a plagerist, and everyone recognizes sublimes versions of songs as their own, because they are.

Exactly. Thank you.

People of this generation are used to being sue-happy and "everyone needs to be recognized" culture. Back in the 30's and 40's, most music was actually heard in clubs played live. People would steal parts of each other's acts, and that was accepted practice. All of the blues players LZ "stole" from actually took their songs and lyrics from other people. "You Need Love" was at least 20 years old by the time Muddy Waters recorded his version. When you play the blues, it's assumed you're going to play tribute to other blues players. LZ didn't give credit at the time because they didn't think they needed to- they were "traditional" pieces in the public domain. Once they became famous though, the lawyers saw money and got involved.

Now, please stop with the stupid, bitter plagiarism arguments, because it was a different world back then, and if this were true, most bands from that era would be guilty.
 
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