Ever worked at a place that seemed to want you to do LESS?

Accipiter22

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Recently I started a job at a prominent college where a database conversion is taking place for student records. They initially thought it would take about 6 months to do, and this is the third year the project is going into. Looking at the project itself I'm not sure HOW it's taken longer than 6 months. I could blow up all the work they've done, start over, and probably have something up and running in under 4 months. Yet all the people working on this project are competent.

So every morning when I get in, a stack of papers has materialized on my desk with changes to make. Sometimes they're just changes to student records, so I'll end up doing data entry sometimes...but if they want to pay me what they are for it, I'm not going to complain. Now for a while I was stretching out these piles to cover the whole day, when they could probably be done in half of that time, if not less. The thing is, EVERYONE here seems to do that, the guy at the computer next to me has a stack of papers on his desk that hasn't really changed in 3 days. My boss acknowledges that a lot of the changes they ask us to make, especially the student record ones, could be done with a PERL script...but I digress.

I've worked in enough offices to know that people slack off sometimes. It's why ATOT exists. But get this, yesterday I figured I'd finish up my work early, which wasn't hard. I go to my boss and ask what I should work on next....she goes "oh! There's some filing to do, the cabinets are over there!" I think she was actually punishing me with filing for finishing early

Anyone ever had a boss do this?? I'm no threat to her at all, I'm a consultant so I'm not taking her job....I'm really confused.




Update: I swear this is true! One of the other jobs we get here is compiling lists of people out of the database, and examining certain parameters of records, then printing off those lists of people or parameters. An example would be, say, to see a class list from 1990. It takes like 5 minutes to get the list up. It?s an incredibly convoluted process (for real, not like my accusations against Boston?s T system). It?s just as bad if you want to see underlying properties for records in the database.

But here?s the kicker, and I swear this true?the guy training me shows me how to get this data up compiled and then how to print it off. The printer next to him stays silent. I say ?where?s the file?? He says ?oh it prints off in the library across campus and then they send it to us via intercampus mail. I?ll get it sometime tomorrow?. Now I?ve seen other examples of reports that have been done, it?s not like it?s on special paper or something. I start laughing and then look at him and see he?s not joking. So I ask ?So you won?t even know if the data you gathered is correct until sometime tomorrow?? He says ?yeah?pretty much, we have to print it off over there for some reason.?

So say an alumnis called up on the phone and wanted to know if any of their classmates lived in the area...we'd have to tell them something like "yes, there's 30 of them, call back tomorrow and I'll tell you who they are"

Update2: So I'm supposed to be learning how to do those requests for lists mentioned in the previous update. Well, the guy in the cubicle next to me has a stack of unfinished ones sitting on his desk. I can see them, they're pink sheets, it's hard to miss. I say 'sooo...you got some more uninfinished requests that you could teach me how to do?" he says "um..hmm...nope.." I didn't know what to say besides "ooh...um....well then..."

I CAN SEE THE UNFINISHED REQUESTS on his desk, it's not like you can do them without filling out the sheets. So basically this guy is leaving in 2 weeks and no one else knows how to do this, and he wont' show me. He gave me one example before using printed screen shots but forgot shots of crucial middle steps.
 

waggy

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nope. thats "make work" just work for you to do something.

the don't have enough real work for the people they have. wich is why people are lsackign off.
 

torpid

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It's always a bad idea to tell your boss you are out of work. Nothing good ever comes of it, in my experience.
 
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Easy. You're disrupting the status quo. The head guy is used to them producing x units of productivity. You come in and show that it's possible to produce x+y in the same amount of time. Boss sees that and ups the amount of productivity expected from everyone else.

You're seen as a possibly making them work more.
 

rudder

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Yeh its called working for the government. You can't make those people who skated on the taxpayers dime for 30 years look bad you know.
 

Skacer

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Whenever you need something to do, find something to do (like start working on that perl script) instead of looking for busy work.
 

Drakkon

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When i worked for the courts I worked a job where the lady before me took 3 days to do what it took me to do in 3 hours (process cases each day for arraignment). I kinda caught on a couple weeks in though when people around me told me "dont tell the manager" as so long as they dont know your not doing work they dont care. They would rather have me sit on my ass doing whatever for 5 hours a day than let them know my job only took 3 hours. One day when my computer crashed due to a system upgrade I started processing cases by hand - well no way would they allow for that - they said take the rest of the day off. Came back the next day and tech still hadnt come by - started working on cases by hand again - told to stop and was actually given the VB CODE to the program (mind you I'm only a part time arraignments cleark at this point - i mentioned i took a class in college and was working on a CS degree at the time) to try and see if i could figure out the problem (which i did in an hour but didnt tell anybody as i learned my lesson ).
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: Skacer
Whenever you need something to do, find something to do (like start working on that perl script) instead of looking for busy work.


Oh I definitely would, but I don't know perl. The thing is I was brought in to do something somewhat specific, the boss controls the flow of work I get, which is why I ask her for more work to do. Otherwise I'd just find something else on my down.
 

purbeast0

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All I know is that the "real world" is a lot less chill and laid back than I had expected when I was in college. Maybe it's just this job, but it's very laid back here and I'm a software developer, and I really don't feel much stress here at all.
 

NuclearNed

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I've worked for two companies (including my current company) where the hourly workforce has a labor union (note - I'm salaried and have never belonged to a union). It seems to be their unspoken policy to work as little as possible. Their rationale is that if you are a really productive employee and get a lot accomplished, then the company might discover that it doesn't need some of your fellow employees to get the normal amount of work done. Since the union at all costs must protect the jobs of their members, including those that aren't worth $0.02 as workers, you are then strongly encouraged to slow down.
 

LeiZaK

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Originally posted by: purbeast0
All I know is that the "real world" is a lot less chill and laid back than I had expected when I was in college. Maybe it's just this job, but it's very laid back here and I'm a software developer, and I really don't feel much stress here at all.

Do you mean more?
 

middlehead

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I just spent 2.5 years in county government. I've been gone for three months and I bet I'm still doing more for them than they want.
 

tw1164

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Originally posted by: NuclearNed
I've worked for two companies (including my current company) where the hourly workforce has a labor union (note - I'm salaried and have never belonged to a union). It seems to be their unspoken policy to work as little as possible. Their rationale is that if you are a really productive employee and get a lot accomplished, then the company might discover that it doesn't need some of your fellow employees to get the normal amount of work done. Since the union at all costs must protect the jobs of their members, including those that aren't worth $0.02 as workers, you are then strongly encouraged to slow down.

I worked in a factory one summer while I was in college and noticed the same thing.

 

Roguestar

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I was fired from my first job ever for being too efficient. A friend of mine and I were paid to sort and shift textbooks, novels and reference books in grammar school during the summer after they'd all been collected from the kids. There were maybe six of us all doing the same job, two of the kids working there being children to the school's Bursar (dude in charge of money and spending, not sure if you use the term in america). Anyway, we were all carrying armfuls of books down from a storage room up three flights of stairs absolutely crammed with books (I have never seen such a book density in my life; there was an entire library in a room maybe 12 feet by 8 feet), in runs of about 6 or 8 books at a time. My friend and I instead co-opted a three-wheel-per-side stair-navigating trolley and were able to bring down 40-50 books at a time. We were told two days later by the Bursar that there wouldn't be enough work for everyone for the summer and that we were no longer needed. Strangely, it was just us who could do the job 5x faster that were fired, and his kids who mostly dossed about got to keep their jobs :|.
 

Regs

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Your first mistake was finishing your work early.

Your second mistake was going up to your boss acting like you were bored.

Never...ever...ask your boss for more work! If you been there long enough you should know what you need to get done.
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: Regs
Your first mistake was finishing your work early.

Your second mistake was going up to your boss acting like you were bored.

Never...ever...ask your boss for more work! If you been there long enough you should know what you need to get done.


well she told me to come get her when I finished with what I got that morning...I...I didn't know!!!
 

Kelvrick

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
hello Accipiter22, welcome to the real world
enjoy your stay over the next 60 years

+1

I've enjoyed my stay for a mere 3 years.

Don't ask for more, because even if you're helping someone out now, they'll come back to you when they need more help. I don't mind, but eventually stuff becomes my responsibility and that sucks. You'll be jaded with the work effort/reward ratio eventually.
 

mugs

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You ran out of work, you asked your boss for more work, your boss gave you more work to do, and you think you were punished?
 

hanoverphist

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a friend of mine was told before walking into an interview for a state job to not appear too smart, and not too dumb... the recep told her the hiring manager didnt like overly smart people... wtf.

i work in a contract environment, so the faster we get stuff done the better, i dont see this laid back stretch your work to last stuff. i actually fired a drafter because he would do that, and didnt see that when we ask him to not do it, its important enough for him to listen. the new drafter gets stuff done in half the time, we all make more money.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: FoBoT
hello Accipiter22, welcome to the real world
enjoy your stay over the next 60 years</end quote></div>

+1

I've enjoyed my stay for a mere 3 years.

Don't ask for more, because even if you're helping someone out now, they'll come back to you when they need more help. I don't mind, but eventually stuff becomes my responsibility and that sucks. You'll be jaded with the work effort/reward ratio eventually.

Taking on more responsibility is a GOOD thing if you want to get ahead.
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: goatjc
Work for the state or gov't by chance?


nope, private college

Originally posted by: mugs
You ran out of work, you asked your boss for more work, your boss gave you more work to do, and you think you were punished?

The work they had me do was about 8 levels below what I usually do, that's what shocked me



I'm well aware of the real world, I've been a consultant for going on 4 years now, I've just never had a place that wanted me to do LESS, even from a managerial stand point.
 

Accipiter22

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
a friend of mine was told before walking into an interview for a state job to not appear too smart, and not too dumb... the recep told her the hiring manager didnt like overly smart people... wtf.

i work in a contract environment, so the faster we get stuff done the better, i dont see this laid back stretch your work to last stuff. i actually fired a drafter because he would do that, and didnt see that when we ask him to not do it, its important enough for him to listen. the new drafter gets stuff done in half the time, we all make more money.


yeah that's what I don't understand...I'm in that contract environment....
 
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