Everquest II Deal Thread

[imported_jor8888]

How is EQ II better in the long run? All they are going to do is add more expansion with new zones and monsters just like EQ I and dont even think they are going to add pvp, its not going to happen because u cant just turn on the pvp switch and expect it to work.

 

[Delerious]

I played EQ2 beta for a bit... It doesn't look that great even with the graphics turned up which you can't really do with todays computers. And forget about doing raids cause it is rediculous.. If they really do release the game on schedule it's a dumb move IMO. EQ2 needs atleast another 6+ months of beta testing before release, but instead people will end up paying to beta test

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: TripleAAA

Originally posted by: fumbduck

Originally posted by: TripleAAA
Seems to me that EQII in the long run will be a better game. For those that are in the long haul like many MMORPG gamers are, then you might wanna go with EQII.

it seems that is a very opinionated and biased statement

Explain further please. I've researched both games, read all the posts here, etc etc. How is that biased? Opinionated...sure. I have the right to form my own opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean by more long-term.

WoW has its own fan-base. There are *many* power guilds (AfterLife, Legacy of Steel, Fires of Heaven), formerly EQ, now converted to WoW. They will both release updates; for WoW, on a monthly basis. The fact of the matter is that EQ2 is not a finished product and SoE is pushing it out the door as it is in order to compete with WoW. The general consensus amoung testers is that WoW has a vision, and EQ2 does not.

 

[TripleAAA]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: TripleAAA

Originally posted by: fumbduck

Originally posted by: TripleAAA
Seems to me that EQII in the long run will be a better game. For those that are in the long haul like many MMORPG gamers are, then you might wanna go with EQII.

it seems that is a very opinionated and biased statement

Explain further please. I've researched both games, read all the posts here, etc etc. How is that biased? Opinionated...sure. I have the right to form my own opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean by more long-term.

WoW has its own fan-base. There are *many* power guilds (AfterLife, Legacy of Steel, Fires of Heaven), formerly EQ, now converted to WoW. They will both release updates; for WoW, on a monthly basis. The fact of the matter is that EQ2 is not a finished product and SoE is pushing it out the door as it is in order to compete with WoW. The general consensus amoung testers is that WoW has a vision, and EQ2 does not.

What I mean by long term is that EQII demonstrates more potential (at least in my opinion), in terms of its graphics and immersive environment. Let's just say, maybe a year from now, EQII will be a better overall game. Perhaps right now, WoW may have an edge in terms of which game is more "ready", but its "limit" is much more clear at this point in time than EQII is. Thats my opinion at least.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: TripleAAA
What I mean by long term is that EQII demonstrates more potential (at least in my opinion), in terms of its graphics and immersive environment. Let's just say, maybe a year from now, EQII will be a better overall game. Perhaps right now, WoW may have an edge in terms of which game is more "ready", but its "limit" is much more clear at this point in time than EQII is. Thats my opinion at least.

The arguement that long term is bounded by graphics is flawed, to say the least.

How long-term the game is depends solely on the designers and developers for that game. And right now, the general consensus between power guilds and beta testers is that WoW has the upper hand. Whereas WoW has a long list of to-be-added features specifically for end-game power users, EQ-2 is barely done with their core content.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: TripleAAA

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: TripleAAA

Originally posted by: fumbduck

Originally posted by: TripleAAA
Seems to me that EQII in the long run will be a better game. For those that are in the long haul like many MMORPG gamers are, then you might wanna go with EQII.

it seems that is a very opinionated and biased statement

Explain further please. I've researched both games, read all the posts here, etc etc. How is that biased? Opinionated...sure. I have the right to form my own opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean by more long-term.

WoW has its own fan-base. There are *many* power guilds (AfterLife, Legacy of Steel, Fires of Heaven), formerly EQ, now converted to WoW. They will both release updates; for WoW, on a monthly basis. The fact of the matter is that EQ2 is not a finished product and SoE is pushing it out the door as it is in order to compete with WoW. The general consensus amoung testers is that WoW has a vision, and EQ2 does not.

What I mean by long term is that EQII demonstrates more potential (at least in my opinion), in terms of its graphics and immersive environment. Let's just say, maybe a year from now, EQII will be a better overall game. Perhaps right now, WoW may have an edge in terms of which game is more "ready", but its "limit" is much more clear at this point in time than EQII is. Thats my opinion at least.

without PVP EQII is dead to me

 

[TripleAAA]

I can almost bet you that EQII will have PvP, perhaps not right away, but eventually.

 

[MSantiago]

I've played both WoW and EQ2.

I can say without a doubt that WoW is fun, polished, and looks nice. It does have its problems though. WoW encourages soloing and discourages grouping. It's always faster to gain experience when you're solo. Collection quests (which make up a pretty significant percentage of the total quests) are far more tedious when you're grouped too. Also, combat is so fast and things die so quickly that there literally aren't enough things to kill when you're in a group.

It's a shame, really, that my friends and I really never got to hunt together as much as we'd have liked to. We formed a guild just so that we could all chat together while we soloed. Outside of instanced dungeons, there's really no reason at all to group. I felt like I was playing a single player MMORPG. When joining a pickup group, people rarely knew how to play their role. Healers would nuke instead of heal, mages would overnuke and draw aggro, and tanks would just deal damage instead of taunting. As bad as the original EQ turned out to be, the one good thing about it is that the game kicked your ass and made you learn your role the hard way. If you didn't learn, you would never get anywhere and you'd just end up dying all the time.

WoW truly is a casual MMORPG. There's no penalty for death and you can effectively solo your way all the way to level 60. This could be a good or bad thing depending on what you're looking for in a game. If you enjoy doing things at your own pace without being dependent on other people, WoW is your game. If you enjoy teamwork (almost to the exclusion of being able to do anything solo) and enjoy a hard game that repeatedly hands your ass to you, then EQ2 may be for you.

Does EQ2 have its problems? Yes. Oh yes. The class differentiation is a joke (though arguably the lack of PvP makes this less of a factor), the game lags horribly in some outdoor zones, and it has a much more tedious leveling treadmill than WoW does. EQ2 is not a casual MMORPG. You will have to put in a lot of hours and you may not necessarily feel like you've accomplished anything after only having played for 30 minutes.

The game really does look nice, but the art may not be for you. Some people like the exaggerated cartoon look that WoW has, and some people like the attempted realism look that EQ2 has. It's a toss-up depending on what you're into.

If you're masochistic enough, playing EQ2 can be more rewarding than playing WoW simply because it's a harder game that requires more of a time commitment in order to achieve things. Unless you can work in a group and play well with others, you're going to have crappy gear and face a long road to level 50.

WoW is casual and doesn't require much of a time commitment. EQ2 is much harder and requires much more time. One is carebear, the other one is masochistic. Pick your poison. I tend to want more of a challenge than WoW offered, so I'll be going with EQ2 for that sole reason. Don't take this as my recommendation, though. I happen to think EQ2 fits me; it may not fit you.

 

[dexvx]

^^

Basically that guy summed it up.

Although I think WoW does take a huge time commitment. It does not take long to reach lvl 60 (maybe 10 playtime days for power-gamers), but getting gear that would enable you to finish the top instances/raid zones at 60 takes countless times more hours.

Note that the beta isnt done, but for now, I'm assuming its casual friendly in the sense you can level at a decent rate, but also power-gamer friendly in the sense that this game is extremely item dependant and getting those items require a lot more time than leveling up itself.

 

[deldd]

Those were the kind of responses that I was looking for, thanks. Based upon the fact that I played FFXI and the fact that it was heavily dependent upon grouping, I'll probably choose WoW. I like the solo thing, being in groups suck unless everyone knows what their doing and have a time commitment to do it. I simply would get bored quick if I didn't feel like I was accomplishing anything. Thanks again.

 

[Vallybally]

Good summary Santiago. I think a quicker sum up could be:

If you want a one night stand, pick WoW.
If you want a long-term relationship, pick EQ2.

 

[ubercaffeinated]

This is like paying money to have your life ruined. I'm all for it.

 

[Setral]

Originally posted by: Vallybally
Good summary Santiago. I think a quicker sum up could be:

If you want a one night stand, pick WoW.
If you want a long-term relationship, pick EQ2.

Sorry Vallybally, that isn't even close.

But thank you MSantiago for the great explanation.

 

[TripleAAA]

Originally posted by: MSantiago
I've played both WoW and EQ2.

I can say without a doubt that WoW is fun, polished, and looks nice. It does have its problems though. WoW encourages soloing and discourages grouping. It's always faster to gain experience when you're solo. Collection quests (which make up a pretty significant percentage of the total quests) are far more tedious when you're grouped too. Also, combat is so fast and things die so quickly that there literally aren't enough things to kill when you're in a group.

It's a shame, really, that my friends and I really never got to hunt together as much as we'd have liked to. We formed a guild just so that we could all chat together while we soloed. Outside of instanced dungeons, there's really no reason at all to group. I felt like I was playing a single player MMORPG. When joining a pickup group, people rarely knew how to play their role. Healers would nuke instead of heal, mages would overnuke and draw aggro, and tanks would just deal damage instead of taunting. As bad as the original EQ turned out to be, the one good thing about it is that the game kicked your ass and made you learn your role the hard way. If you didn't learn, you would never get anywhere and you'd just end up dying all the time.

WoW truly is a casual MMORPG. There's no penalty for death and you can effectively solo your way all the way to level 60. This could be a good or bad thing depending on what you're looking for in a game. If you enjoy doing things at your own pace without being dependent on other people, WoW is your game. If you enjoy teamwork (almost to the exclusion of being able to do anything solo) and enjoy a hard game that repeatedly hands your ass to you, then EQ2 may be for you.

Does EQ2 have its problems? Yes. Oh yes. The class differentiation is a joke (though arguably the lack of PvP makes this less of a factor), the game lags horribly in some outdoor zones, and it has a much more tedious leveling treadmill than WoW does. EQ2 is not a casual MMORPG. You will have to put in a lot of hours and you may not necessarily feel like you've accomplished anything after only having played for 30 minutes.

The game really does look nice, but the art may not be for you. Some people like the exaggerated cartoon look that WoW has, and some people like the attempted realism look that EQ2 has. It's a toss-up depending on what you're into.

If you're masochistic enough, playing EQ2 can be more rewarding than playing WoW simply because it's a harder game that requires more of a time commitment in order to achieve things. Unless you can work in a group and play well with others, you're going to have crappy gear and face a long road to level 50.

WoW is casual and doesn't require much of a time commitment. EQ2 is much harder and requires much more time. One is carebear, the other one is masochistic. Pick your poison. I tend to want more of a challenge than WoW offered, so I'll be going with EQ2 for that sole reason. Don't take this as my recommendation, though. I happen to think EQ2 fits me; it may not fit you.

Great post. Thanks!

 

[codeyf]

Originally posted by: TripleAAA

Originally posted by: MSantiago
I've played both WoW and EQ2.

I can say without a doubt that WoW is fun, polished, and looks nice. It does have its problems though. WoW encourages soloing and discourages grouping. It's always faster to gain experience when you're solo. Collection quests (which make up a pretty significant percentage of the total quests) are far more tedious when you're grouped too. Also, combat is so fast and things die so quickly that there literally aren't enough things to kill when you're in a group.

It's a shame, really, that my friends and I really never got to hunt together as much as we'd have liked to. We formed a guild just so that we could all chat together while we soloed. Outside of instanced dungeons, there's really no reason at all to group. I felt like I was playing a single player MMORPG. When joining a pickup group, people rarely knew how to play their role. Healers would nuke instead of heal, mages would overnuke and draw aggro, and tanks would just deal damage instead of taunting. As bad as the original EQ turned out to be, the one good thing about it is that the game kicked your ass and made you learn your role the hard way. If you didn't learn, you would never get anywhere and you'd just end up dying all the time.

WoW truly is a casual MMORPG. There's no penalty for death and you can effectively solo your way all the way to level 60. This could be a good or bad thing depending on what you're looking for in a game. If you enjoy doing things at your own pace without being dependent on other people, WoW is your game. If you enjoy teamwork (almost to the exclusion of being able to do anything solo) and enjoy a hard game that repeatedly hands your ass to you, then EQ2 may be for you.

Does EQ2 have its problems? Yes. Oh yes. The class differentiation is a joke (though arguably the lack of PvP makes this less of a factor), the game lags horribly in some outdoor zones, and it has a much more tedious leveling treadmill than WoW does. EQ2 is not a casual MMORPG. You will have to put in a lot of hours and you may not necessarily feel like you've accomplished anything after only having played for 30 minutes.

The game really does look nice, but the art may not be for you. Some people like the exaggerated cartoon look that WoW has, and some people like the attempted realism look that EQ2 has. It's a toss-up depending on what you're into.

If you're masochistic enough, playing EQ2 can be more rewarding than playing WoW simply because it's a harder game that requires more of a time commitment in order to achieve things. Unless you can work in a group and play well with others, you're going to have crappy gear and face a long road to level 50.

WoW is casual and doesn't require much of a time commitment. EQ2 is much harder and requires much more time. One is carebear, the other one is masochistic. Pick your poison. I tend to want more of a challenge than WoW offered, so I'll be going with EQ2 for that sole reason. Don't take this as my recommendation, though. I happen to think EQ2 fits me; it may not fit you.

Great post. Thanks!

Indeed, very good post. For me, I played EQ and had a hard time, as I am very much a casual player. I managed to progress well, albeit over a very long period of time. I loved the peeps in my guild, and the group aspect on raids and higher level areas.

Since then, the guild closed up shop, and many friends left, and I followed. I have been playing City of Heroes since. VERY FUN, but, I find myself soloing a lot. While it certainly is possible to solo the majority of the time, and be successful, the team/large group aspect of it doesn't do it for me, and it just overall isn't as immersive as I'd like it to be.

So, despite my small time commitment, I am very much in favor of EQ2, and have already paid for my preorder. If when it's released, I play through my free 30 days and it is too buggy, no big deal. I go back to CoH till it's cleaned up some more then jump back in.

Anyway, what happened to the EQ2 DEALS? Last I checked, the thread title was "Everquest II Deal Thread", not "EQ2 vs WoW".....

 

[TripleAAA]

Originally posted by: codeyf

Originally posted by: TripleAAA

Originally posted by: MSantiago
I've played both WoW and EQ2.

I can say without a doubt that WoW is fun, polished, and looks nice. It does have its problems though. WoW encourages soloing and discourages grouping. It's always faster to gain experience when you're solo. Collection quests (which make up a pretty significant percentage of the total quests) are far more tedious when you're grouped too. Also, combat is so fast and things die so quickly that there literally aren't enough things to kill when you're in a group.

It's a shame, really, that my friends and I really never got to hunt together as much as we'd have liked to. We formed a guild just so that we could all chat together while we soloed. Outside of instanced dungeons, there's really no reason at all to group. I felt like I was playing a single player MMORPG. When joining a pickup group, people rarely knew how to play their role. Healers would nuke instead of heal, mages would overnuke and draw aggro, and tanks would just deal damage instead of taunting. As bad as the original EQ turned out to be, the one good thing about it is that the game kicked your ass and made you learn your role the hard way. If you didn't learn, you would never get anywhere and you'd just end up dying all the time.

WoW truly is a casual MMORPG. There's no penalty for death and you can effectively solo your way all the way to level 60. This could be a good or bad thing depending on what you're looking for in a game. If you enjoy doing things at your own pace without being dependent on other people, WoW is your game. If you enjoy teamwork (almost to the exclusion of being able to do anything solo) and enjoy a hard game that repeatedly hands your ass to you, then EQ2 may be for you.

Does EQ2 have its problems? Yes. Oh yes. The class differentiation is a joke (though arguably the lack of PvP makes this less of a factor), the game lags horribly in some outdoor zones, and it has a much more tedious leveling treadmill than WoW does. EQ2 is not a casual MMORPG. You will have to put in a lot of hours and you may not necessarily feel like you've accomplished anything after only having played for 30 minutes.

The game really does look nice, but the art may not be for you. Some people like the exaggerated cartoon look that WoW has, and some people like the attempted realism look that EQ2 has. It's a toss-up depending on what you're into.

If you're masochistic enough, playing EQ2 can be more rewarding than playing WoW simply because it's a harder game that requires more of a time commitment in order to achieve things. Unless you can work in a group and play well with others, you're going to have crappy gear and face a long road to level 50.

WoW is casual and doesn't require much of a time commitment. EQ2 is much harder and requires much more time. One is carebear, the other one is masochistic. Pick your poison. I tend to want more of a challenge than WoW offered, so I'll be going with EQ2 for that sole reason. Don't take this as my recommendation, though. I happen to think EQ2 fits me; it may not fit you.

Great post. Thanks!

Indeed, very good post. For me, I played EQ and had a hard time, as I am very much a casual player. I managed to progress well, albeit over a very long period of time. I loved the peeps in my guild, and the group aspect on raids and higher level areas.

Since then, the guild closed up shop, and many friends left, and I followed. I have been playing City of Heroes since. VERY FUN, but, I find myself soloing a lot. While it certainly is possible to solo the majority of the time, and be successful, the team/large group aspect of it doesn't do it for me, and it just overall isn't as immersive as I'd like it to be.

So, despite my small time commitment, I am very much in favor of EQ2, and have already paid for my preorder. If when it's released, I play through my free 30 days and it is too buggy, no big deal. I go back to CoH till it's cleaned up some more then jump back in.

Anyway, what happened to the EQ2 DEALS? Last I checked, the thread title was "Everquest II Deal Thread", not "EQ2 vs WoW".....

It's inevitable...people are always debating over the two, especially before either are even released to the general consumer.

 

[deldd]

You can get it at CompUSA, use the 10% off games code and they have a $.01 overnight shipping. My total with tax was $47.70

 

[ttown]

I just posted this question in "software...", but maybe I should ask here -- since there's a lot more viewage...

Question: Have any of you EQ (non-v2) fans used EQEmulator ?

I like EQ, but I don't like monthly fees... so a [free] server emulator would be a big plus for me -- if it's decent.
For anyone that has tried it -- what's your opinion?

 

[MSantiago]

Originally posted by: deldd
Those were the kind of responses that I was looking for, thanks. Based upon the fact that I played FFXI and the fact that it was heavily dependent upon grouping, I'll probably choose WoW. I like the solo thing, being in groups suck unless everyone knows what their doing and have a time commitment to do it. I simply would get bored quick if I didn't feel like I was accomplishing anything. Thanks again.

Awesome, I think it's good that you weighed your choices instead of just going with the "I'VE NEVER PLAYED IT, BUT I THINK EQ2 SUX BECAUSE EQ SUCKED!!111!" crowd. If soloing is your thing, then you've made the right call and I think you're going to have a blast in WoW. In fact, you're going to want to keep your eyes open. The WoW open beta is just around the corner (if you have a FilePlanet subscription you can even get in on it now) and is a great chance to try the game out before it's released. Blizzard made a great call with the open beta and I wish SOE had followed suit and given EQ2 an open beta too.

For those of you who've chosen EQ2, I think you all know what you're getting into. Most people who choose EQ2 (myself included) are going into it as veterans of past MMORPGs. It's not nearly as friendly to new players as WoW is and it certainly doesn't have as much right-out-of-the-box fun. And as much as I hate to admit it, the hours of pain, frustration, and failure that lead up to a big encounter or quest are what make things fun and give that sense of satisfaction in the end. Some people think we're crazy and sometimes I think they're right.

I really wish I had the time to play both of these games, but I'm sure WoW will still be around after I burn out on EQ2. Maybe I'll give it a try then.

 

[BentValve]

Would EQ 2 be a bad first time game of its type for someone?

I have never gotten into role playing games but I have a few friends who have and I have longed for the kind of involement they had in their games.

If I put some effort into it, about how many hours would I have to spend before I knew if EQ 2 would be a enjoyable game for me or not?

So who has the best deal on this?

 

[Pocono]

It took me till lvl 10 *(about 10 hours playing..ok..i lvl slow..but was exploring...learning..chatting....). I enjoyed the beta although it didnt feel like the same old eq ..and really wasn't as addicting to me. Don't get me wrong..i enjoyed it..just not the wake up in the morning and log on before taking shower kind of addiction..till i went to sleep. Decent game..worth trying. Easy to learn..but you dont' even start to see real game till you hit lvl 7...everything before that is learning.

 

[codeyf]

Originally posted by: BentValve
Would EQ 2 be a bad first time game of its type for someone?

I have never gotten into role playing games but I have a few friends who have and I have longed for the kind of involement they had in their games.

If I put some effort into it, about how many hours would I have to spend before I knew if EQ 2 would be a enjoyable game for me or not?

So who has the best deal on this?

Yo BV. If you're a MMORPG noob, I would suggest City of Heroes or eventually WoW to start off. More so City of Heroes as the whole "inventory" aspect is VERY simplified (as in there really is none). So it allows you to focus more on playing and having fun. In CoH you can group with much higher levels and still be even (called "Sidekick-ing"). Lets you play with friends who may have been playing for a while. It can also be reversed, where a friend of much higher level can effectively temporarily lower their level to be even with you.

So, for a first time MMORPG'er, I'd recommend CoH -> WoW -> EQ2. As stated above, EQ2 is not going to be very friendly to a first-timer. So get your cherry popped in one of the other two, then when you're ready for the full meal deal, hit up EQ2. By then, who knows, most of the bugs may be worked out

 

[CrazyGamer]

For anyone actually coming to the thread to look for a deal, here is a small one on the DVD version at Outpost for $39 + s/h

EQII @ Outpost

 

[BentValve]

Originally posted by: codeyf

Originally posted by: BentValve
Would EQ 2 be a bad first time game of its type for someone?

I have never gotten into role playing games but I have a few friends who have and I have longed for the kind of involement they had in their games.

If I put some effort into it, about how many hours would I have to spend before I knew if EQ 2 would be a enjoyable game for me or not?

So who has the best deal on this?

Yo BV. If you're a MMORPG noob, I would suggest City of Heroes or eventually WoW to start off. More so City of Heroes as the whole "inventory" aspect is VERY simplified (as in there really is none). So it allows you to focus more on playing and having fun. In CoH you can group with much higher levels and still be even (called "Sidekick-ing"). Lets you play with friends who may have been playing for a while. It can also be reversed, where a friend of much higher level can effectively temporarily lower their level to be even with you.

So, for a first time MMORPG'er, I'd recommend CoH -> WoW -> EQ2. As stated above, EQ2 is not going to be very friendly to a first-timer. So get your cherry popped in one of the other two, then when you're ready for the full meal deal, hit up EQ2. By then, who knows, most of the bugs may be worked out

What if I wanted a challenge though? I dont want something boring ..though I guess too challenging would be bad as well.

So would it be a complete waste of money for me to buy Everquest 2 since I am a newb?"

 

[Oakenfold]

Originally posted by: BentValve

Originally posted by: codeyf

Originally posted by: BentValve
Would EQ 2 be a bad first time game of its type for someone?

I have never gotten into role playing games but I have a few friends who have and I have longed for the kind of involement they had in their games.

If I put some effort into it, about how many hours would I have to spend before I knew if EQ 2 would be a enjoyable game for me or not?

So who has the best deal on this?

Yo BV. If you're a MMORPG noob, I would suggest City of Heroes or eventually WoW to start off. More so City of Heroes as the whole "inventory" aspect is VERY simplified (as in there really is none). So it allows you to focus more on playing and having fun. In CoH you can group with much higher levels and still be even (called "Sidekick-ing"). Lets you play with friends who may have been playing for a while. It can also be reversed, where a friend of much higher level can effectively temporarily lower their level to be even with you.

So, for a first time MMORPG'er, I'd recommend CoH -> WoW -> EQ2. As stated above, EQ2 is not going to be very friendly to a first-timer. So get your cherry popped in one of the other two, then when you're ready for the full meal deal, hit up EQ2. By then, who knows, most of the bugs may be worked out

What if I wanted a challenge though? I dont want something boring ..though I guess too challenging would be bad as well.

So would it be a complete waste of money for me to buy Everquest 2 since I am a newb?"

Wouldn't be a waste, Codey's just trying to give you a heads up on what he feels might be the best way to get your feet wet.
By all means buy it, try it and if you like it cool, if not just let it sit until you are ready to give it a go again.


Btw thanks for the post CrazyGamer, not a bad deal @ Outpost at all.