Everquest II or WoW?

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: FlasHBurN
If you haven't tried out EQ2 in the last 6 months, you really can't comment on it. They have changed it drastically.

Agreed, the game has changed an insane amount since the last time i played it, early sept.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: SViper
Ok, I'm deciding between playing Everquest II or WoW. I've played a little bit of both. Nothing too in-depth though. I played and EQ2 character to lvl 20 and a WoW character to lvl 10.

Coming from playing EQ1 for 4+ years, the best thing I like about both games is that you don't have to have a full specialized group to do things like you had to in EQ1, so you can jump in for a few hours and play. You don't have to play all damn day to do interesting stuff.

I guess what I'm really asking about is the mid- and end-game. Which MMO better supports the idea of getting a couple people in a group to go do some questing or something, as opposed to spending an hour to get a full specialized group and be stuck for the next 5 hours or so in that group.

I'm kind of partial to EQ2's look and questing system, but I don't know too much about the mid- and end-games for both EQ2 and WoW. So which one would be better?


Cliffs (for the lazy)
-which one to get? EQ2 or WoW

wow is more casual freindly..
really enjoy it for that

 

[imported_sling]

WoW can be a fun trip to 60 if you group and run instances and such. WoW does loose the "epic" feel to it because everything of any importance is instanced, so there isn't anything to hammer out with the community for who's raiding what and when. You just get 40 people and go, it's instanced, so it's always available. This is good if you want to gear up quick and get through ALL the content, but not so good if you want to see a strong community. The 12 year old WoW kiddes don't help, but the game is so dumbed down it really attracts those without the attention span or comprehension to undertand/play EQ/EQ2/DAOC or whatever other more hardcore RPGs are out there.

You can get to 60 in a hurry with WoW, but the way to do it is grind solo and solo quests that are "kill X monster." As I level up I'm really dissapointed that the quests haven't changes since lvl 1. There are still kill X number of Ogres in X zone. The ogres are the same in like 7 or 8 zones, along with the other mobs. Turtles, owlbeasts, buzzards, pigs. They change the skin and keep the model the same. This REALLY adds to the monotony of soloing to 60 because the ogre killing quest in Tanaris at level 40 is the same as the ones in Feralas at 40 and in Arathi Highlands at 35, and in Alterac Mountains at 30. They are all killing ogres, just that the colors and level of the mobs change.

I really hated having to camp encounters and raid zones in DAOC to get something done, but I'd rather have that part of the game there instead of having everything instanced. With the technology we have today we can have a world big enough for content to be open air/shared dungeon and not have that many issues. I like going to the dungeons in DAOC to find a group instead of spamming LFG in city chat while you're watching your AH and mail. Sure it's easier for more people to get more done, but it hurts alot too.

The PVP system, battlegroups aside, isn't really a "system" with WoW, it's just free for all kill the other faction if you're on a PVP server, and you get honor for killing stuff near/above your level. PVP is fun, I play on a PVP server, but I hardly consider regular world pvp in WoW some kind of system, it's more of a lack of one, which is ok too.

The more I play WoW the more I see how constant the quest chains are for a solo player, the more I find myself finding something different to do, be it crafting or helping lowbies, or grouping for an instance even if I don't particularly need to go.
(I give them credit on the dungeon quest lines, they are all different, with new bosses to encounter and new things to accomplish.)

EQ2's graphics are too good for an MMO? Since when did MMO's get a cap on visual quality? It definatly adds some immersiveness to the game that WoW REALLY lacks. WoW is skinned/colored/modeled like a cartoon. EQ2 is fantasy, and rendered as such. EQ2 looks amazing on a good system, if you are complaining because you system coughs and tells you to get a life when you try to run it then the solution is to upgrade, not gripe that the graphics are "too good for an MMO." That comment amazes me. It's like saying that this corvette is "too fast for a sports car."

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: sling
EQ2's graphics are too good for an MMO? Since when did MMO's get a cap on visual quality? It definatly adds some immersiveness to the game that WoW REALLY lacks. WoW is skinned/colored/modeled like a cartoon. EQ2 is fantasy, and rendered as such. EQ2 looks amazing on a good system, if you are complaining because you system coughs and tells you to get a life when you try to run it then the solution is to upgrade, not gripe that the graphics are "too good for an MMO." That comment amazes me. It's like saying that this corvette is "too fast for a sports car."

What the hell is your problem...

I was just saying that having such high hardware requirement in order to run the game well severely cripples their fan base. I played EQ2 fine. I wasn't referring to my computer..

Get a damn life and stop going crazy over one comment.

 

[Bateluer]

I voted for EQ2. I've played both. The RP servers in EQ2 have good pops, so those are the places to play.

WoW is more casual friendly, but it lacks the complexity, depth, and epic feel of EQ2. Take a simple thing, like speaking another language. My 42 EQ2 monk can speak about a dozen, and when I switch to speaking the goblin tongue, anything in /say comes out in goblin. Players who haven't learned that language see a much of a gibberish. Its a small simple thing, but its there just the same.

EQ2 average age is around 20ish, from my experience. Compared to WoW 14 on the 'RP' Servers, 12 on the normal servers, and 10 on the PvP servers. Older, mature players are there, but you have to really dig to find them. In EQ2, they are right on the surface.

I know WoW has a trial, but the EQ2 trial may be going through some significant changes in the near future.

Edit - You'll get bored with WoW in about a month, once you realize that the game play is identical and you have grind to get good items in order to be effective in PvP. My own roommates run through the same instances as often as they can in a weekend trying to get certain pieces of armor or weapons. In EQ2, most of the best items come from various Heritage Quests.

And lastly, I hope you don't play on weekends, because its going to take you anywhere from 30min to an hour to actually log into WoW. The lag in WoW has been a problem since the game's release and they've never really eradicated it. Loot lag, in particular, is very annoying. When you loot, you click the item in the loot window, nothing wrong with that. But when it lags, and the item doesn't snap to your inventory, you have to wait until it does, or the item stays on the corpse. Try and run away from the corpse, and your character stays in the looting animation, and sort of skies along the ground. Its kinda funny the first time, actually, pisses you off every other time.

I started playing EQ2, moved to WoW when my EQ2 players got orders abroad, went back to EQ2 to see the changes, went back to WoW, remembered why I despised the game, then went back to EQ2 again.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I voted for EQ2. I've played both. The RP servers in EQ2 have good pops, so those are the places to play.

WoW is more casual friendly, but it lacks the complexity, depth, and epic feel of EQ2. Take a simple thing, like speaking another language. My 42 EQ2 monk can speak about a dozen, and when I switch to speaking the goblin tongue, anything in /say comes out in goblin. Players who haven't learned that language see a much of a gibberish. Its a small simple thing, but its there just the same.

EQ2 average age is around 20ish, from my experience. Compared to WoW 14 on the 'RP' Servers, 12 on the normal servers, and 10 on the PvP servers. Older, mature players are there, but you have to really dig to find them. In EQ2, they are right on the surface.

I know WoW has a trial, but the EQ2 trial may be going through some significant changes in the near future.

This comment is as full of it as a semitruck full of manure...

average age 12? are you kidding?
I play on gorefiend (Alliance) and Burning Blade (Horde) and most of the people I meet are married with children and work full time jobs..
Im 34 and most of my guild is 27-40 age wise...
there are numerous families playing this game as well as a fair share of women gamers msotly in thier upper 20s and lower 30s.
and yes we know they are women...

now on EQ2 on unrest and butcherblock.. I cant even find a group that can speak complete sentences without swearing or acting like uncordinated retards...

 

[Stangs55]

WoW...no question

 

[Dualist]

Go with World of Warcraft.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Zbox

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
WoW = Fun
EQ2 = Work

not in the least. both have their grind, and I'd argue WoW's is more repeating and dull.

I have 3 lvl 60s in WoW and the end game is poop. Only reason I stopped playing EQ2 was because my server was so abandoned there was not much you could do. The community is what ruins WoW and lack of it in EQ2 causes problems as well. WoW misses a lot of the "epic feel' that you had with itemization in EQ1 (played since alpha).

wow didn't really start to feel repetitive until i hit 60.
e2 started to feel repetitive at like lvl 15

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Bateluer
I voted for EQ2. I've played both. The RP servers in EQ2 have good pops, so those are the places to play.

WoW is more casual friendly, but it lacks the complexity, depth, and epic feel of EQ2. Take a simple thing, like speaking another language. My 42 EQ2 monk can speak about a dozen, and when I switch to speaking the goblin tongue, anything in /say comes out in goblin. Players who haven't learned that language see a much of a gibberish. Its a small simple thing, but its there just the same.

EQ2 average age is around 20ish, from my experience. Compared to WoW 14 on the 'RP' Servers, 12 on the normal servers, and 10 on the PvP servers. Older, mature players are there, but you have to really dig to find them. In EQ2, they are right on the surface.

I know WoW has a trial, but the EQ2 trial may be going through some significant changes in the near future.

Edit - You'll get bored with WoW in about a month, once you realize that the game play is identical and you have grind to get good items in order to be effective in PvP. My own roommates run through the same instances as often as they can in a weekend trying to get certain pieces of armor or weapons. In EQ2, most of the best items come from various Heritage Quests.

And lastly, I hope you don't play on weekends, because its going to take you anywhere from 30min to an hour to actually log into WoW. The lag in WoW has been a problem since the game's release and they've never really eradicated it. Loot lag, in particular, is very annoying. When you loot, you click the item in the loot window, nothing wrong with that. But when it lags, and the item doesn't snap to your inventory, you have to wait until it does, or the item stays on the corpse. Try and run away from the corpse, and your character stays in the looting animation, and sort of skies along the ground. Its kinda funny the first time, actually, pisses you off every other time.

I started playing EQ2, moved to WoW when my EQ2 players got orders abroad, went back to EQ2 to see the changes, went back to WoW, remembered why I despised the game, then went back to EQ2 again.

um...WoW can do the language thing too. you set it to speak in dwarfish and unless you have your language set to dwarf, it comes out as gibberish.

 

[SViper]

First I'd like to say thanks for all of the feedback. I don't want to jump into a MMO that I'm going to put down after a few weeks playing it.

I will admit I'm more partial to games that look good. I have a decent system so I can run EQ2 without problems.

I have a co-worker/friend of mine who is playing WoW right now and he says it's pretty repetitive. He mentioned that quests involved "going to such-and-such place and kill X number of mobs" up to where he is at now. I believe his character is lvl 40 or so.

Are some of EQ2's quests the same? I mean I know that a lot quests will be similar, but does EQ2 have a nice variety of quests to do? Or does WoW have a nice variety for that matter?

Again, all opinions are appreciated.

 

[fishbits]

At some time you are going to have to take the plunge. Both should be fun for the better part of the first month at least, and if after that you don't like what you're seeing, quit and try the other. If you do like it, keep on trucking.

 

[Genx87]

dit - You'll get bored with WoW in about a month, once you realize that the game play is identical and you have grind to get good items in order to be effective in PvP

qft

I started playing EQ2, moved to WoW when my EQ2 players got orders abroad, went back to EQ2 to see the changes, went back to WoW, remembered why I despised the game, then went back to EQ2 again.

Did this with daoc and now I am back in daoc and will never play WoW again.

 

[imported_sling]

Originally posted by: Dumac
I was just saying that having such high hardware requirement in order to run the game well severely cripples their fan base. I played EQ2 fine. I wasn't referring to my computer..

Get a damn life and stop going crazy over one comment.

Maybe it does hurt the fan base some, but people upgrade. I want my games to look as good as today's technology allows, so long as it's a playable frame rate. Maybe that's just me. I don't have some kinda beastly system to play on, but I'll upgrade if I really want to play something, as I will be doing when Vanguard comes around.

I don't need to get life...I have a couple now and they are all I can handle.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: pontifex


um...WoW can do the language thing too. you set it to speak in dwarfish and unless you have your language set to dwarf, it comes out as gibberish.

I don't recall seeing any options for languages anywhere in WoW, and when I asked in multiple chat channels, I got the chatroom equivalent of deer in headlights looks.

 

[narutofan36]

Wow of course! i played on my friends account and its every entertaining

 

[Xyclone]

Neither.

 

[SViper]

*update* 2/15/06

I saw that Eve online had a free 14 day trial and I signed up for it. Let me just say that this is an awesome MMO. I space themed, but that's fine with me. I really enjoy how open-ended it is. You all should give it a shot. www.eve-online.com Thanks again for all of the opinions/suggestions.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: SViper
*update* 2/15/06

I saw that Eve online had a free 14 day trial and I signed up for it. Let me just say that this is an awesome MMO. I space themed, but that's fine with me. I really enjoy how open-ended it is. You all should give it a shot. www.eve-online.com Thanks again for all of the opinions/suggestions.

lol
i bet this whole thread was only a ploy to advertise EVE. sounds like every EVE fan i've ever heard.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: pontifex

i bet this whole thread was only a ploy to advertise EVE. sounds like every EVE fan i've ever heard.

The term you are looking for is shill! </paranoia>

 

[SViper]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: SViper
*update* 2/15/06

I saw that Eve online had a free 14 day trial and I signed up for it. Let me just say that this is an awesome MMO. I space themed, but that's fine with me. I really enjoy how open-ended it is. You all should give it a shot. www.eve-online.com Thanks again for all of the opinions/suggestions.

lol
i bet this whole thread was only a ploy to advertise EVE. sounds like every EVE fan i've ever heard.

Haha. now that I've re-read my update, you are right. It sorta does sounds like that.

I don't know. I was just looking for a decent MMO to play and I figured that I would enjoy one of those two the most. Then I find out about Eve and I really like it. It's one of those "sandbox" MMOs that you get out of it what you put in. You pretty much advance in the game as you want to.

 

[skace]

EVE is decent, but the quest system is weak and getting around can take ages. I have an active account, but I only play it once a week or so. The weird thing is that although everyone is on the same server, you very rarely meet people outside of the corp channels.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: Zbox

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
WoW = Fun
EQ2 = Work

not in the least. both have their grind, and I'd argue WoW's is more repeating and dull.

I have 3 lvl 60s in WoW and the end game is poop. Only reason I stopped playing EQ2 was because my server was so abandoned there was not much you could do. The community is what ruins WoW and lack of it in EQ2 causes problems as well. WoW misses a lot of the "epic feel' that you had with itemization in EQ1 (played since alpha).

wow didn't really start to feel repetitive until i hit 60.
e2 started to feel repetitive at like lvl 15

That is probably because it took the same amount of time for both of them

 

[PrayForDeath]

I have been playing World of Warcraft for almost a month now, and I love it so far. There are so many things to do, and if you don't like a quest, just leave it and do another one, there's so many quests out there. The world is huge, I don't know why some people find it small. I've been exploring for days, and judging from the map, it looks like I have just scratched the surface . I am a lvl 29 Warlock now. I am in a large guild and I met many people in the game that helped me out in quest. So far, the community looks decent, at least in my server (PvE Draka).
I have some complains about the gameplay though. First of all, the RPG elements are not really deep, nothing compared to Diablo II. You don't choose your own style of spells, you can just buy every spell available for a warlock, there's no tree (except for the talents, which still doesn't cut it for me). So ultimately, two lvl 30 warlocks will be pretty much identical (save for their equipment). Also, you don't choose which stats to increase when you level up, they just automatically increase your strength, agility, etc.. That's also too easy. Finally, the inventory is too simple, each item takes up a single slot, whether it's a large axe, or a bottle of water. Silly.
Anyway, what matters to me is that I AM having fun playing this game (at least so far). And I don't think I'll be leaving it any time soon.
If they release the expansion for free, that would make the game alot more interesting for the lvl60s out there are bored from grinding. Afterall, Blizzard is getting paid every month, why should they charge for an expansion?
By the way, this is my first MMO.

 

[INGlewood78]

Neither...I play world of warCRACK and I would like to have my life back please. Don't know what it is...I know I spend too much time on it but I can't stop. I'm going to stop blaming drug addiction on a lack of will power =(