Every Muslim is a terrorist, period!!!!!

[Meghan54]

Americans have no idea what REAL religious intolerance looks like.

Americans should since religious intolerance is what led to this country being originally colonized. But in addition to the religious intolerance and discrimination suffered by the "original" settlers in their "home" country, the colonies the settlers founded, like Mass. Bay and Conn. also condoned and institutionalized their own brand of religious intolerance and discrimination. So, we should be quite familiar with it.

 

[DrDoug]

Let me point something out to you that is very funny to me.

American says all Muslims are terrorists, country is full of bigots and you want to leave. You now believe that because you hear about this type of thing often, it shows it represents a widespread problem.

Americans read about all the terrorist activity around the world. Why is it wrong for people to think that Islam has a problem with terrorism, but not for you to think the USA has a bigot problem?

To be clear, not all Muslims are terrorists. Nothing that I have said should lead anyone to believe that, but I have no doubt that some will take what I have said to be in favor of bigots.

Islamic texts has some very problematic things in it, and so do other religious texts such as the Bible. Right now, the followers of those religions do not commit as many terrorist activities in the name of their religion as do Muslims. Idiots are then going to say all Muslims are terrorists, which is wrong, but it should not mean we should not discuss problems with Islam. We should be able to talk about religious problems.

Radical Islam is causing terror around the world but if we really want to do something about our own current terrorist problem then we need to look in the mirror.

Since 9-11 our home grown terrorists are killing more of us than the imported variety.

 

[realibrad]

Radical Islam is causing terror around the world but if we really want to do something about our own current terrorist problem then we need to look in the mirror.

Since 9-11 our home grown terrorists are killing more of us than the imported variety.

Here in the US we have very few Muslims. It's to be expected that we would have few Muslim terrorists. Even in the US we see Muslims account for a disproportionate number of terrorist activities. With the US looking to bring in refugees that will change.

 

[CZroe]

https://www.facebook.com/thisisinsider/videos/1492105597763500/



For the first time, I'm actually feeling I may need to leave the United States for a few years. Seems like I hear about this type of thing every day now. My father is a Muslim. Although I'm non religious, I do identify with Muslims.



I would normally think of the discrimination that I have faced (growing up) was chalked up to a few bigots, not representative of the entire group. However, in this video everyone is clapping around this guy???? I've been getting the feeling, that this is the case in many situations now.



If we get a GOP president (esp Donald Trump). I strongly fear a situation where Muslims and those of middle-eastern ancestry are legally targeted (i.e. internment camps, database etc...).

How are incensed ignorant people responding to a community discussion about a mosque "representative of the entire group" of America's general population? He thought about canceling it because he knew that the recent attacks were going to send haters to his discussion. The room would have been nearly empty otherwise as they typically draw only a few for these boring community planning discussions.

Judging all American based on those who disrupt a Mosque discussion after a major terrorist attack is like judging all Muslims based on those who committed a major terrorist attack.

They're misguided and emotional, just like you, OP.

 

[ivwshane]

Here in the US we have very few Muslims. It's to be expected that we would have few Muslim terrorists. Even in the US we see Muslims account for a disproportionate number of terrorist activities. With the US looking to bring in refugees that will change.

Oh really? Is this because you said so?

 

[realibrad]

Oh really? Is this because you said so?

Yes. Oh and the FBI, but I think we all agree here that it was mainly me.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum

2002-2005 Muslims accounted for 6% of the documented terrorist acts in the US.

The Muslim population accounts for less than 1% of the US population. Its a very small group. So, literally everything I said is true and can be verified.

Any other questions?

 

[CZroe]

Yes. Oh and the FBI, but I think we all agree here that it was mainly me.

https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/terrorism-2002-2005/terror02_05#terror_05sum

2002-2005 Muslims accounted for 6% of the documented terrorist acts in the US.

The Muslim population accounts for less than 1% of the US population. Its a very small group. So, literally everything I said is true and can be verified.

Any other questions?

Do "workplace violence" incidents that aren't filed as "terrorist attacks" count?

Statistics are unconvincing mostly because they are so easily manipulated.

 

[sm625]

For the first time, I'm actually feeling I may need to leave the United States for a few years.

You can run but you cant hide. The effects of bungled US foreign policy will follow you wherever you go. Who knows, they might invade or drone strike whatever country you run to. Then you will get to experience firsthand how a terrorist group forms. If you want to be safe in the long run then you have to get this government to stop arming and provoking extremists. It's not just ISIS. Look at Boko Haram. That is ALL Obama. I dont know why you are naming Trump as if he is somehow responsible for Boko Haram. Place the blame where it lies. It is clearly something both parties endorse, which means it is a systemic issue. This is a terror doctrine conceived in the bowels of think tanks and foundations for the express purposes of cementing central power and increasing military industrial complex profits. If you want to stop it you need to purge the government of all PNAC, CFR, Trilateral, etc.

 

[realibrad]

Do "workplace violence" incidents that aren't filed as "terrorist attacks" count?

Statistics are unconvincing mostly because they are so easily manipulated.

Are you asking if things that are not classified as terrorism count as terrorism or are you saying those things should be and you want to know if they are included?

The list is pretty clear on what was done though.

Statistics are not unconvincing if they are done well. The problem is that people see numbers and think that they are statistics. There is valid data, and invalid data.

 

[norseamd]

Americans should since religious intolerance is what led to this country being originally colonized. But in addition to the religious intolerance and discrimination suffered by the "original" settlers in their "home" country, the colonies the settlers founded, like Mass. Bay and Conn. also condoned and institutionalized their own brand of religious intolerance and discrimination. So, we should be quite familiar with it.

This.

It is hilarious that the guy used the word cult when many of the American colonists were cultists, like the Puritans.

 

[realibrad]

This.

It is hilarious that the guy used the word cult when many of the American colonists were cultists, like the Puritans.

Well, its been a long time from the original people that you are talking about. Its pretty reasonable to see why as a nation its been lost. A big reason we had freedom of religion was that we were a country of small Christian groups that were worried about the other Christian groups trying to take over. As the nation became more similar, that fear was lost about religion. To the colonists, other religions were not even on their minds for the most part. If another religious group was going to do something you did not like, it would be from a different group of Christianity. Now that the world is far more connected, those groups now see each other as almost the same vs other religions.

Religious fear has always been part of the US. Its just that now instead of fearing other Christian groups, they fear other non Christian groups. Same coin, different phobia.

 

[norseamd]

Well, its been a long time from the original people that you are talking about. Its pretty reasonable to see why as a nation its been lost. A big reason we had freedom of religion was that we were a country of small Christian groups that were worried about the other Christian groups trying to take over. As the nation became more similar, that fear was lost about religion. To the colonists, other religions were not even on their minds for the most part. If another religious group was going to do something you did not like, it would be from a different group of Christianity. Now that the world is far more connected, those groups now see each other as almost the same vs other religions.

Religious fear has always been part of the US. Its just that now instead of fearing other Christian groups, they fear other non Christian groups. Same coin, different phobia.

How many Catholic presidents have been elected so far? And what happened to him? There have been strong anti-Catholic sociological complexes in America for a long time. And there are still strong sociological complexes against Mormons and the like even in the 21st century. Not sure but do these same complexes work against Jehovahs Witnesses or 7th Day Adventists? And what about the Quakers who are probably still a small sect, but I would not be surprised if they are discriminated against.

 

[norseamd]

Well, its been a long time from the original people that you are talking about.

Many of their descendants still act the exact same way.

 

[CZroe]

Do "workplace violence" incidents that aren't filed as "terrorist attacks" count?

Statistics are unconvincing mostly because they are so easily manipulated.

Are you asking if things that are not classified as terrorism count as terrorism or are you saying those things should be and you want to know if they are included?



The list is pretty clear on what was done though.



Statistics are not unconvincing if they are done well. The problem is that people see numbers and think that they are statistics. There is valid data, and invalid data.

My point was that the statistic was just used to make a point but there are thousands of people at every step of the way to the creation of that statistic who want to make that same point, from city and workplace and first responder personnel right up to whoever is aggregating it all to get the 6% figure.

Even if 6% is 100% accurate and magically reflects none of the bias that the aggregators can't control from the source data, it's still vastly disproportionate to their representation in the population. Also, I think it should be measured a percentage of total deaths and injuries attributed rather than percentage of total incidents, since our personal risk is what matters most.

What other intention was there when Fort Hood was classified as "workplace violence" despite the perpetrator's repeated attempts to contact/join Al Qaeda and screaming "Allahu Ackbar!" while shooting unsuspecting American soldiers? I guarantee you that this wasn't the only time there has been a blatant attempt to manipulate statistics that the higher level statistics are drawn from.

Sure, the Vaughns food processing murder/attack was arguably just workplace violence (he was just fired), but you can't possibly say that the statistics are more accurate with it or without it because the motivations are clear as mud. How many other workplace violence incidents end with multiple attempted beheadings (one successful)? He was fired after saying many anti-American pro-Jihad things and he did have an obsession with ISIS/ISIL beheading and was calling for Sharia law in the USA. There's a good chance this was going to happen regardless or that he would not have done it if he weren't radicalize get himself.

 

[Blue_Max]

Myself, I have a hard time ignoring the Muslims when they tell us time and time again what they believe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4LmGPg8ScQ

Anyone notice how this was glossed over without anyone commenting on it?

Kinda' just ruins the apologists' world views and cracks those rose-coloured glasses.

Just like the 'islam-o-phobia' thread, horrible insults are slung at anyone who even dares to question if everything is not 100% nicey-nicey.

But there are lots of aspect of islam that are just completely incompatible with western values. Here's a light-hearted look at some! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-oR1WIMtLE

 

[realibrad]

How many Catholic presidents have been elected so far? And what happened to him? There have been strong anti-Catholic sociological complexes in America for a long time. And there are still strong sociological complexes against Mormons and the like even in the 21st century. Not sure but do these same complexes work against Jehovahs Witnesses or 7th Day Adventists? And what about the Quakers who are probably still a small sect, but I would not be surprised if they are discriminated against.

Even with those groups, the vast majority of Christians consider other groups equal and do not fear them. Even for many of the groups you listed, the type of fear that the nation used to have is far more relaxed.

Also, you seem to be implying that there was a connection to JFK being killed and his religion. Are you?

 

[realibrad]

Many of their descendants still act the exact same way.

Yes, which is why I do not care for religion. It might have had a net benefit at a time, but it sure seems to hold people back now.

 

[mikeymikec]

Anyone notice how this was glossed over without anyone commenting on it?

That's because only a fucktard would put any stock in it (at least in the context of assuming that this is how Muslims generally think).

 

[norseamd]

Also, you seem to be implying that there was a connection to JFK being killed and his religion. Are you?

Not specifically. It would more just be something that stands out in a metaview, since he was the only Catholic president, and managed to get shot right away. There is probably more evidence for the Curse of Tecumseh being real than any JFK assassination conspiracy theory. Nothing to suggest that it was the true cause, although I would not be surprised if there were more than a few anti-Catholics crazies were were thinking of assassinating JFK just because he was Catholic. I know there were apparently some connections between Oswald, Cuba, and the mob, but do you know if there was anything discovered about him concerning what he thought of Catholics?

 

[Blue_Max]

That's because only a fucktard would put any stock in it (at least in the context of assuming that this is how Muslims generally think).

Wow......... seriously, wow. Now THAT's the grandest display of cognitive dissonance I've seen for a while.

You put NO stock that muslims will follow what's in the quran and the examples of their great prophet? None?

 

[mikeymikec]

Wow......... seriously, wow. Now THAT's the grandest display of cognitive dissonance I've seen for a while.

You put NO stock that muslims will follow what's in the quran and the examples of their great prophet? None?

I think if you put your thinking cap on, you might be able to come up with a question that might give some vague notion of what you're actually asking.

Honestly, it's like you've never even thought about religion before and you're like this wide-eyed child asking "daddy, do ALL Christians REALLY abide by everything that's written in the Bible, like ALL THE TIME?".

 

[realibrad]

I think if you put your thinking cap on, you might be able to come up with a question that might give some vague notion of what you're actually asking.

Honestly, it's like you've never even thought about religion before and you're like this wide-eyed child asking "daddy, do ALL Christians REALLY abide by everything that's written in the Bible, like ALL THE TIME?".

Thankfully they do not. Now, if only we could get all the other religions to ignore their texts!

 

[Blue_Max]

I think if you put your thinking cap on, you might be able to come up with a question that might give some vague notion of what you're actually asking.

Honestly, it's like you've never even thought about religion before and you're like this wide-eyed child asking "daddy, do ALL Christians REALLY abide by everything that's written in the Bible, like ALL THE TIME?".

Nice try at muddying the issue. There are some things that MOST Christians believe MOST of the time because it's central to the faith.

Islam has some of these 'most' issues as well but you (and SO many others) are saying that no one, NO ONE, is allowed to question them in any way because;
1) if even one is not like the significant group, it means they're not ALL like that, thus the actions of that significant group can be dismissed completely.

and,
2) to say anything that makes people at all uncomfortable (unless it's a protected leftist issue that only discomforts low-ranked people on the progressive stack) is to be considered: [pick one:] [racist] [sexist] [bigoted] [hatemongering] [worse than ISIS]

 

[mikeymikec]

Thankfully they do not. Now, if only we could get all the other religions to ignore their texts!

I assume you mean "followers of other religions", lots of them obviously do already. As usual, people cherry-pick their beliefs. However, there are and forever will be fucktards and everyone needs to believe in something.

 

[Blue_Max]

I assume you mean "followers of other religions", lots of them obviously do already. As usual, people cherry-pick their beliefs. However, there are and forever will be fucktards and everyone needs to believe in something.

You willing to direct that 'fucktards' comment towards the muslim clerics shown in those videos? Hmm? They qualify, according to your statement, but it would put you in dangerous territory wouldn't it?