Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day

[Kappo]

It really isn't. Holocaust denial is denying the holocaust happened. Criticizing or even hating Israel is not the same thing.

I tried to make the stretch in my mind, I couldn't quite get it either.

Can't say I've seen any denial or innuendo of such from anyone. I hate on the left too, but let's not go into "they stand for evil" mode

 

[Lemon law]

No, what is breathtakingly stupid is to have one side be so insensitive to anger Muslims and then have others use the same event to deny a very sad part of human history in the Holocaust.

All sides end up all pissed off, and why should we take joy in having a lose lose situation.

Is anyone winning yet?

 

[Pulsar]

No, what is breathtakingly stupid is to have one side be so insensitive to anger Muslims and then have others use the same event to deny a very sad part of human history in the Holocaust.

All sides end up all pissed off, and why should we take joy in having a lose lose situation.

Is anyone winning yet?

No, what's stupid is muslims who threaten to KILL other people when they get offended.

Let me know when Jewish people come out of the woodwork threatening to kill muslims for denying the holocaust.

Your bias is showing again. Nice try at shading the facts. Last time I checked 'angering' someone doesn't equate to killing people.

 

[MotF Bane]

If no one has ever told you, before, that you're so full of shit my ass is jealous, allow me to be the first.

Now, why would you want to have your ass full of shit? It is much better to get rid of it.

 

[MotF Bane]

Anyways, for the topic, a day for denying the Holocaust is a bit silly and impractical, but whatever, if that's how they wish to use their free speech, go right ahead.

 

[Sinsear]

the world is filled with an endless supply of dumbfucks

With you leading the way.

 

[1prophet]

Define "tolerate." I believe in freedom of speech. (So does Chomsky.) Aside from some fringe groups, the left does not support holocaust denying. Many Jews are Democrats. Take it even further: both US parties are firm supporters of Israel.

Chomsky believe in freedom of speech?



Penn & Teller call bullshit on that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPhje8wepyg

 

[Noobtastic]

Chomsky believe in freedom of speech?



Penn & Teller call bullshit on that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPhje8wepyg

everyone knows chomsky is lying hypocritical psuedo-progressive marxist asshole.

oh yes, he supports free speech - writing forwards for holocaust denial, expressing solidarity with islamist movements - but god damn if someone dares challenge the leftist lobby, let's throw in the "speech codes" and make it illegal.

 

[Infohawk]

Chomsky believe in freedom of speech?



Penn & Teller call bullshit on that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPhje8wepyg

So you think he doesn't support free speech because he thinks that freedoms should be limited in a dorm room? That's all he was really taped as saying. Original point, btw, was that Chomsky is not a holocaust denier.

 

[Noobtastic]

So you think he doesn't support free speech because he thinks that freedoms should be limited in a dorm room? That's all he was really taped as saying. Original point, btw, was that Chomsky is not a holocaust denier.

you obviously didn't watch the video.

chomsky supports speech codes which restrict the rights and freedoms of political opponents (namely conservatives).

and yeah, chomsky is a total holocaust denier - writing forward's for holocaust denier, expressing solidarity with organizations that deny the holocaust and engage in extreme antisemitism, etc...

chomsky is openly marxist and supports the thuggy communists that silence political rivals. he embraces the fascist muslim states while also supporting the mob-rule policies of the UN.

there is nothing enlightening about chomsky or the left and they have been demolished in debates that aren't subject to bogus speech does.

 

[Infohawk]

IHV Once again you display your bizarre, warped and tortured logic. You are so zealous about your cause that you make logical connections where there are none.

I watched the video. His statements were very limited.

Again, criticizing Israel is not antisemitism and is not holocaust denial. Not sure why you can't wrap your head around that one.

 

[Noobtastic]

IHV Once again you display your bizarre, warped and tortured logic. You are so zealous about your cause that you make logical connections where there are none.

I watched the video. His statements were very limited.

Again, criticizing Israel is not antisemitism and is not holocaust denial. Not sure why you can't wrap your head around that one.

again, you either didn't read my post or refuse to respond to.

i never said criticism of israel is antisemitism or holocaust denial - ever.

please show proof that i said that anywhere in this thread.

i didnt.

the reality is you refuse to accept facts and instead engage in elementary chomsky styled strawmans.

he too can't accept facts in arguments, so he twists the orders of his opponents as he does in debates with dershowitz (getting owned in the process of course).

 

[Infohawk]

"LL, harvey, fallout have all referenced concentration camps/holocaust/genocide etc in their rabid hatred of zionists and israel.

this is holocaust denial"

Sounds like you're saying hatred of zionism and israel is holocaust denial. Did I miss something?

 

[Noobtastic]

"LL, harvey, fallout have all referenced concentration camps/holocaust/genocide etc in their rabid hatred of zionists and israel.

this is holocaust denial"

Sounds like you're saying hatred of zionism and israel is holocaust denial. Did I miss something?

nothing "sounds like."

im very explicit in my posts infohawk, which is why you refuse to respond to them explicitly, instead quote-ming like LL who can't bother quoting my exact words.

I SAID, harvey, fallout, LL have all engaged in subtle holocaust denial by trivializing the holocaust through drawing analogies to the IDF and Nazi Germany.

get it?

hate is a state of mind, and holocaust denial is one of many symptons. considering leftist like chomsky seem to have the moral compass to march lock-step with hamas, hezbollah, the khumor rouge, and serbian genocidal maniacs it shouldn't surprise anyone that he favors "speech codes" to silence people like myself and others.

the only free speech is his speech.

 

[JSt0rm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp_l5ntikaU

 

[Infohawk]

im very explicit in my posts infohawk, which is why you refuse to respond to them explicitly, instead quote-ming like LL who can't bother quoting my exact words.

I SAID, harvey, fallout, LL have all engaged in subtle holocaust denial by trivializing the holocaust through drawing analogies to the IDF and Nazi Germany.

Wow you are far gone. I used copy and paste. No misquoting. Are you not understanding the words you are sending to the AT server?

"I SAID, harvey, fallout, LL have all engaged in subtle holocaust denial by trivializing the holocaust through drawing analogies to the IDF and Nazi Germany."

Drawing analogies between the IDF and Nazi Germany is not the same thing as holocaust denial, even on a subtle level. Again, your concept of holocaust denial is completely absurd and partisan.

 

[marincounty]

Found an interesting site for you:
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267
U.S. officials could only have granted visas to the St. Louis passengers by denying them to the thousands of German Jews placed further up on the waiting list. Public opinion in the United States, although ostensibly sympathetic to the plight of refugees and critical of Hitler's policies, continued to favor immigration restrictions. The Great Depression had left millions of people in the United States unemployed and fearful of competition for the scarce few jobs available. It also fueled antisemitism, xenophobia, nativism, and isolationism. A Fortune Magazine poll at the time indicated that 83 percent of Americans opposed relaxing restrictions on immigration. President Roosevelt could have issued an executive order to admit the St. Louis refugees, but this general hostility to immigrants, the gains of isolationist Republicans in the Congressional elections of 1938, and Roosevelt's consideration of running for an unprecedented third term as president were among the political considerations that militated against taking this extraordinary step in an unpopular cause.

Roosevelt was not alone in his reluctance to challenge the mood of the nation on the immigration issue. Three months before the St. Louis sailed, Congressional leaders in both U.S. houses allowed to die in committee a bill sponsored by Senator Robert Wagner (D-N.Y.) and Representative Edith Rogers (R-Mass.). This bill would have admitted 20,000 Jewish children from Germany above the existing quota.

Where were all of these Republican supporters of Jews then?

 

[Noobtastic]

Drawing analogies between the IDF and Nazi Germany is not the same thing as holocaust denial, even on a subtle level. Again, your concept of holocaust denial is completely absurd and partisan.

Of course is it. Trivlizing the holocaust is holocaust denial.

You deny the reality of the holocaust and exploit it to smear Jews (victims of the holocaust).

Personally, I find that sort of holocaust denial far more offensive than someone saying flat-out the holocaust never happened.

that really doesn't bother me so much.

 

[Infohawk]

Of course is it. Trivlizing the holocaust is holocaust denial.

You deny the reality of the holocaust and exploit it to smear Jews (victims of the holocaust).

Personally, I find that sort of holocaust denial far more offensive than someone saying flat-out the holocaust never happened.

that really doesn't bother me so much.

Do you think it's possible for someone to think Israel engages in ethnic cleansing but also think that the holocaust happened?

 

[JSt0rm]

Do you think it's possible for someone to think Israel engages in ethnic cleansing but also think that the holocaust happened?

no. thats impossible.

 

[Noobtastic]

Do you think it's possible for someone to think Israel engages in ethnic cleansing but also think that the holocaust happened?

What?

Care to respond to my post?

This is what you said:

Drawing analogies between the IDF and Nazi Germany is not the same thing as holocaust denial, even on a subtle level. Again, your concept of holocaust denial is completely absurd and partisan.

I explained in elementary terms what holocaust denial truly is and how trivializing it qualifies as holocaust denial.

In the case of Chomsky/Fickelstein, they don't deny the holocaust as an actual event. As Jews that would be silly, rather - they de-legitimize it by smearing Israelis as Nazis and claiming Israel is committing a holocaust against the Arabs, thereby trivializing the reality of the holocaust (denial) and exploiting its victims for the sake of anti-Israel propaganda.

Get it?

This isn't rocket science.

 

[JSt0rm]

11.5 million Chinese civilians were killed during ww2

3 million German civilians were killed during ww2

1.5 million indian civilians were killed during ww2

poland lost 2.5 million jews and 2.9 million civilians

6.5 million Russian civilians killed

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these numbers are all amazing. Hopefully the world will never see such loss of human life again.

 

[Infohawk]

It certainly isn't rocket science. Your posts rely on completely bogus definitions of simple concepts. That, and you are likely also being intellectually dishonest. Case in point:

"In the case of Chomsky/Fickelstein, they don't deny the holocaust as an actual event."

In that case they aren't holocaust deniers. Your definition of holocaust denial defies any common sense or common understanding of the term.

Your just pushing ultra-partisan rhetoric and expecting people to think that it is some deep thought. Honestly it sounds like you heard it on the radio or something.

Here is a reasonable definition of holocaust denial that the Anti Defamation League identifies:

"Holocaust Denial is an Anti-Semitic propaganda movement active in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe that seeks to deny the reality of the Nazi regime's systematic mass murder of six million Jews during World War II."

You're not a denier simply because you disagree with Israel's policy. You have to actually believe that the Holocaust did not happen. "Get it?" "It's not rocket science." (Don't expect me to respond to you again as you've displayed that you can't be trusted to even be honest about basic concepts.)

 

[Noobtastic]

It certainly isn't rocket science. Your posts rely on completely bogus definitions of simple concepts. That, and you are likely also being intellectually dishonest. Case in point:

"In the case of Chomsky/Fickelstein, they don't deny the holocaust as an actual event."

In that case they aren't holocaust deniers. Your definition of holocaust denial defies any common sense or common understanding of the term.

Your just pushing ultra-partisan rhetoric and expecting people to think that it is some deep thought. Honestly it sounds like you heard it on the radio or something.

Here is a reasonable definition of holocaust denial that the Anti Defamation League identifies:

"Holocaust Denial is an Anti-Semitic propaganda movement active in the United States, Canada, and Western Europe that seeks to deny the reality of the Nazi regime's systematic mass murder of six million Jews during World War II."

You're not a denier simply because you disagree with Israel's policy. You have to actually believe that the Holocaust did not happen. "Get it?" "It's not rocket science." (Don't expect me to respond to you again as you've displayed that you can't be trusted to even be honest about basic concepts.)

Again, you refuse to respond to my post and continue to twist this as some legitimate disagreement about Israel policy.

TRIVIALIZING the HOLOCAUST by COMPARING ISRAEL to NAZI GERMANY and CLAIMING ZIONISTS are committing a HOLOCAUST against ARABS is holocaust denial.

I put keywords in caps because you seem incapable of processing simple sentences.

 

[JSt0rm]

TRIVIALIZING the HOLOCAUST by COMPARING ISRAEL to NAZI GERMANY and CLAIMING ZIONISTS are committing a HOLOCAUST against ARABS is holocaust denial.
.

Is it ok if I dont agree with you on that? I'm not saying Israel is committing a Holocaust but I don't think comparing 2 points in history means you think one of those points didn't happen.