Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day

[SandEagle]

http://trueslant.com/michaelpeck/2010/05/24/now-its-everybody-deny-the-holocaust-day/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-draw-Holocaust-day-30-June-2010/125126400846347

May. 24 2010 - 6:20 pm | 20,678 views | 1 recommendation | 18 comments Now it’s ‘Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day’

By MICHAEL PECK
This is how you payback the unbelievers. Some Muslims, furious at the “Everybody Draw Muhammed Day”, are retaliating with an “Everybody Draw the Holocaust Day”.
Of course, what the author of this Facebook page really means is an Everybody Deny the Holocaust Day, which will teach the infidels not to draw Muhammed in a bear suit. His semi-coherent manifesto seems to be that if people have the right to draw the Prophet Muhammed, then they have the right to question the existence of the Holocaust.
He is correct. We can’t defend the right to satire a religious figure and yet bar the right to deny the Holocaust, as some European states do (frequently the ones who directly or indirectly supported the genocide). However, what is fascinating here is the moral equivalence. Outraged at the “insult” to his religion, this fundamentalist won’t strike back by drawing a cartoon of Jesus or mocking atheists. He’s going to do it by denying the Holocaust. Since in his mind, Jews control the world, then question the Holocaust and the Elders of Zion will pull a few levers to make the cartoons stop. Because this is exactly the kind of world that a fundamentalist understands and desires. A cleric decides what is sacred and what is profane, which cartoons are permitted and which are not. There is no dissent.
So here’s what I say. Go right on ahead. Every time someone draws Muhammed, write a Facebook post that claims that 6 million Jews were never killed, and that they have really spent the last 65 years hiding in Grandma Sadie’s basement. Every time someone satires Muhammed, wave banners proclaiming that the Nazi death camps were actually vacation resorts. See if anyone threatens to kill you. But also see if this stops the cartoons or enhances respect for Islam.
I despise Holocaust denial and Holocaust deniers. But if that’s the price that I must pay for the right to free speech, the right to satire, the right to speak our minds without fear of violence, then I can endure it.

the world is filled with an endless supply of dumbfucks

EDIT: Title from source article is misleading. The facebook page says Everybody Draw the Holocaust Day

 

[Kappo]

As long as they aren't chopping off heads or strapping bombs on (other) people, I really dont care what they do in "retaliation".

 

[40sTheme]

Yeah, as stupid as they are and as much as it disgusts me, I'd rather this than jihadists.

 

[BoberFett]

How can they draw something that never happened?

 

[Tristicus]

Join + Post mohammad pics.

 

[CPA]

Join + Post mohammad pics.

LoL

 

[Fern]

WTH?

This is breathtakingly stupid.

Some Danish people draw cartoons about Muhammed, which angers some Muslims. The response is for Muslims to draw cartoons about the Holocaust?

What's the connection between German Nazis and Jews, and Danish cartoon publishers? I really don't see the connection, at all.

I'm trying to now decide if I'm more worried about their obviously extreme stupidity or radical religious ideas?

Fern

 

[Throckmorton]

What happens if you do this in a country where Holocaust denial is illegal?

 

[halik]

http://trueslant.com/michaelpeck/2010/05/24/now-its-everybody-deny-the-holocaust-day/

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Everybody-draw-Holocaust-day-30-June-2010/125126400846347

the world is filled with an endless supply of dumbfucks

EDIT: Title from source article is misleading. The facebook page says Everybody Draw the Holocaust Day

I can deny holocaust all day long without someone threatening to lop my head off.

 

[Tristicus]

Crap, I'm not sure how to add pics...oh well.

Wanted to post this:

 

[Noobtastic]

this is the problem with muslims.

instead of trying to join the 21st century, they cling to victimhood and naturally assign blame to the jews (holocaust).

holocaust denial in the islamic world is a symptom of moral idiocy and utter lack of self-respect.

the muslim/arab world has gotten into the habit of blaming the jews/zionist and using israel as a lightening rod whenever someone has the audacity to challenge their bigotry.

drawing parallels between pictures of a religious prophet and trivializing the extermination of 6 million jews is simply disgusting - but i expect nothing less from the muslim trolls.

of course im sure the left is eating this up like chomsky when he marched lock-step with holocaust deniers.

 

[Infohawk]

Wow, if you didn't think drunk pics on facebook were bad wait until your potential employers finds out you're a holocaust denier! Reflects poorly on muslims if a lot of them sign up for this.

IHT, you didn't really need to spiral out of control into hackery by bringing up the left and Chomsky.

 

[woolfe9999]

WTH?

This is breathtakingly stupid.

Some Danish people draw cartoons about Muhammed, which angers some Muslims. The response is for Muslims to draw cartoons about the Holocaust?

What's the connection between German Nazis and Jews, and Danish cartoon publishers? I really don't see the connection, at all.

I'm trying to now decide if I'm more worried about their obviously extreme stupidity or radical religious ideas?

Fern

Good point. There is no actual connection. If you consider it carefully, what they are doing is retaliating not against the people who are "drawing Mohadmmed," or the people who are espousing doing it, but rather, Jews. The mindset is that if someone does a wrong to Muslims, we must retaliate against the Jews, regardless of whether it was the Jews who did the wrong. That's because the Jews are presumed to be the source of all Muslim misery, in one way or another, directly or indirectly. Because obviously they're behind it, whatever it is.

- wolf

 

[Noobtastic]

IHT, you didn't really need to spiral out of control into hackery by bringing up the left and Chomsky.

it's the left and chomsky that have legitimized these groups.

50 years ago no member of western civilization sat next to islamic trolls and listened to their antisemitic propaganda.

2010 islam is the same as 1950 islam, nothing has changed - except now Islamists actually have a voice where they push their agenda on the free world and the response is pure apathy.

back in the day no one would tolerate this level of moral idiocy. not even the progressives.

 

[Infohawk]

Define "tolerate." I believe in freedom of speech. (So does Chomsky.) Aside from some fringe groups, the left does not support holocaust denying. Many Jews are Democrats. Take it even further: both US parties are firm supporters of Israel.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Good point. There is no actual connection. If you consider it carefully, what they are doing is retaliating not against the people who are "drawing Mohadmmed," or the people who are espousing doing it, but rather, Jews. The mindset is that if someone does a wrong to Muslims, we must retaliate against the Jews, regardless of whether it was the Jews who did the wrong. That's because the Jews are presumed to be the source of all Muslim misery, in one way or another, directly or indirectly. Because obviously they're behind it, whatever it is.

- wolf

Don't know if you've seen this, but it still holds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY

 

[Harvey]

WTH?

This is breathtakingly stupid.

Some Danish people draw cartoons about Muhammed, which angers some Muslims. The response is for Muslims to draw cartoons about the Holocaust?

What's the connection between German Nazis and Jews, and Danish cartoon publishers? I really don't see the connection, at all.

I'm trying to now decide if I'm more worried about their obviously extreme stupidity or radical religious ideas?

Fern

Have you not been paying attention? Muslim's were rioting and calling for the death of anyone who drew an image purporting to represent Mohammed, which was the whole point of the sarcasm of "Everybody draw Mohammed Day."

It would be great if the radical Islamic jackasses could stick with drawing pictures to prove their stupidity, but unfortunately, some of them would rather use fresh blood, instead of ink or paint.

 

[Noobtastic]

Define "tolerate." I believe in freedom of speech. (So does Chomsky.) Aside from some fringe groups, the left does not support holocaust denying. Many Jews are Democrats. Take it even further: both US parties are firm supporters of Israel.

"tolerate" as in listen with enthusiam and without challenge.

such as say - ajad's wonderful speeches at Columbia, while shutting down and banning people like david horowitz from speaking.

chomsky doesn't support free speech - he only supports HIS speech.

and yes, the left have a long history of engaging in subtle holocaust denial by trivializing and smearing through analogies to the IDF and/or israelis.

the fact that many jews are democrat is irrelevant. ones' ethnicity or religion is not a premise for argument and is merely a continuation argument ad hominem.

the leftists have married the islamists. look at the universities. look at the media.

50 years ago both sides would respond to this kind of bigotry with ruthless denunciation and boycotts. free speech does not mean i have to endorse your views and not condemn it.

the very fact that we are having this conversation is a demonstration of leftist apologism. no moral compass, no principals. they fear islamists and thus they are silent to their propaganda.

 

[Infohawk]

Your allegations are short on evidence. I am not familiar with any mainstream Democratic politicians who engage in holocaust denial, for example. Many people criticize Israel. This alone doesn't constitute holocaust denial, not even on a subtle level.

Sounds like you're using the left as some sort of scapegoat for anti-semitic behavior.

 

[Harvey]

it's the left and chomsky that have legitimized these groups.
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the very fact that we are having this conversation is a demonstration of leftist apologism. no moral compass, no principals. they fear islamists and thus they are silent to their propaganda.

If no one has ever told you, before, that you're so full of shit my ass is jealous, allow me to be the first.

 

[Noobtastic]

Your allegations are short on evidence. I am not familiar with any mainstream Democratic politicians who engage in holocaust denial, for example. Many people criticize Israel. This alone doesn't constitute holocaust denial, not even on a subtle level.

you aren't responding to my post. i said nothing of democratic politicians who engage in holocaust denial. i said nothing about criticism of israel.

i said trivilizing the holocaust by drawing comparisons to the IDF or anyone else for that matter is subtle holocaust denial, and it has been become a legitimate political philosophy on the left. LL, harvey, fallout have all referenced concentration camps/holocaust/genocide etc in their rabid hatred of zionists and israel.

this is holocaust denial, and it has come out of the mouths of fickelstein and chomsky many of times.

so these aren't allegations but general observations. if you would like i could provide a laundry list of leftist groups and so-called progressives who have allied themselves with islamists.

Sounds like you're using the left as some sort of scapegoat for anti-semitic behavior.

the left a scapegoat?

LOL. new antisemitism is entirely exclusive to the left. the left has married the islamists and virtually all modern day antisemites are almost entirely leftists.

 

[Noobtastic]

If no one has ever told you, before, that you're so full of shit my ass is jealous, allow me to be the first.

if no has ever told you before, i dont value your opinion and as far as im concerned you're an intellectual idiot.

 

[Infohawk]

LL, harvey, fallout have all referenced concentration camps/holocaust/genocide etc in their rabid hatred of zionists and israel.

this is holocaust denial

It really isn't. Holocaust denial is denying the holocaust happened. Criticizing or even hating Israel is not the same thing.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Good point. There is no actual connection. If you consider it carefully, what they are doing is retaliating not against the people who are "drawing Mohadmmed," or the people who are espousing doing it, but rather, Jews. The mindset is that if someone does a wrong to Muslims, we must retaliate against the Jews, regardless of whether it was the Jews who did the wrong. That's because the Jews are presumed to be the source of all Muslim misery, in one way or another, directly or indirectly. Because obviously they're behind it, whatever it is.

- wolf

Too bad your thinking isn't infectious.

 

[SandEagle]

If no one has ever told you, before, that you're so full of shit my ass is jealous, allow me to be the first.

rofl. i am so using this line next time. without your permission, of course.

when will you guys review my request to be a mod? srsly, i'm good for it.