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UglyCasanova

Lifer
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Honestly is there anyone on here (other than agent00f who is nothing more than a troll degrading what's left of these forums) who think the whole concept of this isn't racist?
 
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Blue_Max

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Honestly is there anyone on here (other than agent00f who is nothing more than a troll degrading what's left of these forums) who think the whole concept of this isn't racist?

Silly mook, it's not racist because the poor students have NO power or privilege at all because those icky teachers and dean had stolen it all! They're in the process of correcting it by de-colonizing those white devils from their not-an-intellectual-space-it's-a-HOME-here! Next step is to de-colonize the sciences and brick back summoning lightning.

(Props if you know the two incidences I'm talking about!)
 

Vic

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Would someone care to explain why what's happening at a whacky little liberal arts college in Washington state is more important than what's happening in Washington DC?
 

Pulsar

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Would someone care to explain why what's happening at a whacky little liberal arts college in Washington state is more important than what's happening in Washington DC?

If you are incapable of paying attention to more than one issue at a time, that is hardly other people's problem. So far, I haven't seen anyone make the claim that you are asserting they have. Perhaps you should widen your narrow focus a bit and look at more than one thing at a time.
 
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woolfe9998

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Would someone care to explain why what's happening at a whacky little liberal arts college in Washington state is more important than what's happening in Washington DC?

I didn't see anyone suggesting otherwise. We discuss a variety of news stories around here. The majority seem to have to do with what's going on in D.C. I don't see why it's not OK to discuss other issues as well.
 
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Vic

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If you are incapable of paying attention to more than one issue at a time, that is hardly other people's problem. So far, I haven't seen anyone make the claim what you are asserting they have. Perhaps you widen your narrow focus a bit and look at more than one thing at a time.

I can pay attention to more than one thing at a time, but thank you for your concern. What I asked was, why is this more important? The POTUS openly attacks the 1st amendment on an almost daily basis, but his supporters want us to believe that these liberal arts students are the ones who have the power to take away our right to free speech.
You might want to take your own advice.
 
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Pulsar

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I can pay attention to more than one thing at a time, but thank you for your concern. What I asked was, why is this more important? The POTUS openly attacks the 1st amendment on an almost daily basis, but his supporters want us to believe that these liberal arts students are the ones who have the power to take away our right to free speech.
You might want to take your own advice.

Please show me where someone suggested this was more important than the president's activity. Then I will accept your straw-man and discuss it as-if it has merit.
 
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woolfe9998

Lifer
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Vic, you're doing what conservatives do all the time around here - every time we discuss bad behavior of conservatives, they deflect by changing the subject. Don't do it. There are scads of Trump threads where we can discuss all manner of vile things he does on a daily basis.
 

Vic

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Please show me where someone suggested this was more important that the president's activity. Then I will accept your straw-man and discuss it as-if it has merit.
Hey, I guess it's just been a slow news cycle for the right wing media.
 

jman19

Lifer
Nov 3, 2000
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Would someone care to explain why what's happening at a whacky little liberal arts college in Washington state is more important than what's happening in Washington DC?

It's not. This is a distraction from the real issues as I alluded to earlier.
 
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Vic

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Vic, you're doing what conservatives do all the time around here - every time we discuss bad behavior of conservatives, they deflect by changing the subject. Don't do it. There are scads of Trump threads where we can discuss all manner of vile things he does on a daily basis.
Fair enough. Except that this topic is a deflection by itself, but whatever. Yes, the students are wrong. The only people who don't believe that are the students and the straw liberals that live rent-free in the heads of 'conservatives.'
 
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Svnla

Lifer
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Vic, you're doing what conservatives do all the time around here - every time we discuss bad behavior of conservatives, they deflect by changing the subject. Don't do it. There are scads of Trump threads where we can discuss all manner of vile things he does on a daily basis.

So what happened when a thread was about bad behavior/hypocrisy of liberals?

Ad hom attacks, pull the race card/"you are soooo racist", spin spin and more spin, deflect, attack the messenger, etc. by liberals. Just like the old saying of "those that live in the glass house shall not cast the first stone".

Exhibit A = http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...-racism-in-powerful-facebook-message.2507223/
 

Roflmouth

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I can pay attention to more than one thing at a time, but thank you for your concern. What I asked was, why is this more important? The POTUS openly attacks the 1st amendment on an almost daily basis, but his supporters want us to believe that these liberal arts students are the ones who have the power to take away our right to free speech.
You might want to take your own advice.

Cry some more.
 

davmat787

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For those who do not have the time to watch any of the various interviews with Weinstein, I will summarize a few salient points. This was much worse than I thought before listening to the interview.

Weinstein hasn't merely been accused of being a racist without basis and he hasn't merely been yelled at. That would be bad enough. He's been stalked, physically threatened (with kidnapping and death), and harassed to the point where he is holding his classes in a downtown park instead of on campus because it isn't safe for him on campus. He has been advised that there are students who are literally, physically searching the campus, door to door, and car by car, for him.

But that isn't the worst of it. The worst of it is that elements of the administration and faculty are at least passively complicit, and in some cases, maybe actively. The university president isn't supporting him at all, has said nothing to tamp any of this down, and won't even allow the police on campus to protect him. This man should be fired, and an investigation should be pursued into his conduct. In that order. Any university president who fails and refuses to physically protect his own employees should be out of a job.

You seem to be a (the?) voice of reason in this thread, thank you for that and the summaries. Can you take a guess as to the mentalities and motivations of the President and colleagues of Professor Weinstein who as you suggest are complicit and even negligent in looking out for the Weinstein's safety? Is their fear of being accused of racism so great and powerful that it leads to a situation like this? What kind of thinking, or lack thereof, by the administration and Weinstein's colleagues allow this to happen and to the point police have been barred from campus? And what of the campus culture?

I sincerely look forward to reading your thoughts on this. Thanks.
 

Pulsar

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You seem to be a (the?) voice of reason in this thread, thank you for that and the summaries. Can you take a guess as to the mentalities and motivations of the President and colleagues of Professor Weinstein who as you suggest are complicit and even negligent in looking out for the Weinstein's safety? Is their fear of being accused of racism so great and powerful that it leads to a situation like this? What kind of thinking, or lack thereof, by the administration and Weinstein's colleagues allow this to happen and to the point police have been barred from campus? And what of the campus culture?

I sincerely look forward to reading your thoughts on this. Thanks.

I think if you read the university president's blog you can get more than a flavor for why this is happening.

1. He supports trigger warnings and safe spaces for certain students.
2. He sent out information on how to 'de-stress' after the election.
3. He fully supports illegal students, and promises to keep their information secret from the federal government. He also promises them financial aid.

His tone and thought-processes clearly suggest that he does not believe in personal responsibility to a very great degree, and truly believes all the 'special snowflake' bullshit that's been going on. As a result, he believes these students have been traumatized and experienced all sorts of horrible things. He's not just humoring their protests - he already made his whole faculty go through the equivalent of sensitivity training when students complained last year. He doesn't blame the students who are threatening the professor. He's protecting those students because he thinks they are reacting to being mistreated.

I simply can't elaborate on how horrible this mindset is. He's lost the middle ground entirely.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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You seem to be a (the?) voice of reason in this thread, thank you for that and the summaries. Can you take a guess as to the mentalities and motivations of the President and colleagues of Professor Weinstein who as you suggest are complicit and even negligent in looking out for the Weinstein's safety? Is their fear of being accused of racism so great and powerful that it leads to a situation like this? What kind of thinking, or lack thereof, by the administration and Weinstein's colleagues allow this to happen and to the point police have been barred from campus? And what of the campus culture?

I sincerely look forward to reading your thoughts on this. Thanks.

I don't know about everything Pulsar said above, but I do know what Weinstein said in his interview about the president. He said that this president, who is relatively new, is allied with a radical professor who herself is encouraging what is going on with the students. I'm filling in some grey areas here, but my educated guess is that it started as a political alliance, but now a frankenstein has been created and this president probably knows it's gone too far but doesn't have the courage to stand up to it. At a minimum, he's guilty of extreme malfeasance in failing and refusing to protect his own staff. Other administrators like the dean and provost seem aware of the problems with this particular professor but they seem to fear her. For their part, I think they're worried about being labeled racist. Many faculty are also supporting Weinstein privately but won't go public for the same reason. There's something really poisonous in the culture of this institution. They desperately need to fire this president and get someone in there who will do his job.

So far as the culture of the students, Weinstein says they are mostly liberal, and that they generally sympathize with the core objectives of the protesters, but the majority do not support these tactics or the targeting of Weinstein. He says only two students have dropped his classes over this, and that his own students are supportive because they know he isn't a racist.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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I don't know about everything Pulsar said above, but I do know what Weinstein said in his interview about the president. He said that this president, who is relatively new, is allied with a radical professor who herself is encouraging what is going on with the students. I'm filling in some grey areas here, but my educated guess is that it started as a political alliance, but now a frankenstein has been created and this president probably knows it's gone too far but doesn't have the courage to stand up to it. At a minimum, he's guilty of extreme malfeasance in failing and refusing to protect his own staff. Other administrators like the dean and provost seem aware of the problems with this particular professor but they seem to fear her. For their part, I think they're worried about being labeled racist. Many faculty are also supporting Weinstein privately but won't go public for the same reason. There's something really poisonous in the culture of this institution. They desperately need to fire this president and get someone in there who will do his job.

So far as the culture of the students, Weinstein says they are mostly liberal, and that they generally sympathize with the core objectives of the protesters, but the majority do not support these tactics or the targeting of Weinstein. He says only two students have dropped his classes over this, and that his own students are supportive because they know he isn't a racist.

I'm pretty sure it's not lost on Weinstein, Milo, and Rubin that they're playing to the following crowd; that and liberals dumb enough:

As you can see in the Evergreen videos (and so, so many more), those who aren't "smart" (a.k.a. progressive-compatible in politics = intelligence) are drummed out by the 95% left-leaning professors and their brainwashed students alike.

It's already at an extreme level... prepare for the soon-coming boiling point.
See right below. He has a long history of ignorance and speak about things that he has no freaking idea.



Smart/educated? Enlightenment? You don't say.

Exhibit A (again) = http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/high-chance-of-china-taiwan-war.2499383/#post-38743019

Keep boasting and lying and I will keep posting your own ignorance for everyone to see and laugh at. LOL.

You are welcome (again).

Cry some more.

Honestly is there anyone on here (other than agent00f who is nothing more than a troll degrading what's left of these forums) who think the whole concept of this isn't racist?
 

agent00f

Lifer
Jun 9, 2016
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I think if you read the university president's blog you can get more than a flavor for why this is happening.

1. He supports trigger warnings and safe spaces for certain students.
2. He sent out information on how to 'de-stress' after the election.
3. He fully supports illegal students, and promises to keep their information secret from the federal government. He also promises them financial aid.

His tone and thought-processes clearly suggest that he does not believe in personal responsibility to a very great degree, and truly believes all the 'special snowflake' bullshit that's been going on. As a result, he believes these students have been traumatized and experienced all sorts of horrible things. He's not just humoring their protests - he already made his whole faculty go through the equivalent of sensitivity training when students complained last year. He doesn't blame the students who are threatening the professor. He's protecting those students because he thinks they are reacting to being mistreated.

I simply can't elaborate on how horrible this mindset is. He's lost the middle ground entirely.

If the school president were weak, then why didn't he capitulate to the protester demands against Weinstein and co? It's always been in the interests of the low edu crowd, ie conservatives, to paint higher ed as some sort of menace to society. Let's not pretend this is your first rodeo. Congrats on finally conning a few outside the lowest common denominator.
 

interchange

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Honestly is there anyone on here (other than agent00f who is nothing more than a troll degrading what's left of these forums) who think the whole concept of this isn't racist?

This thread was like the Christmas truce of WW1. And @agent00f is the officer that comes along saying he'll shoot his own men if we don't get back in our trenches and start blowing each other up again.

Screw that.
 

jmagg

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Nov 21, 2001
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The entire situation is ridiculous, and continues to scar the progressive movement. It's no wonder the mainstream don't care to report the dumb details.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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This thread was like the Christmas truce of WW1. And @agent00f is the officer that comes along saying he'll shoot his own men if we don't get back in our trenches and start blowing each other up again.

Screw that.

No, the labor strike analogy is largely accurate, even if it doesn't reflect the situation as you would prefer, which is presumably what prompted you to draw some ridiculous comparison instead.

The entire situation is ridiculous, and continues to scar the progressive movement. It's no wonder the mainstream don't care to report the dumb details.

I'm sure you're very "concerned", as degenerates often are.
 

interchange

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No, the labor strike analogy is largely accurate, even if it doesn't reflect the situation as you would prefer, which is presumably what prompted you to draw some ridiculous comparison instead.

You are wound tighter than me, sheesh.

It was good to see liberals recognizing problems in liberal youth today and not feeling compelled to invalidate that recognition because the source of truth was the enemy. And here you go trying to make it a partisan problem again.

Honestly, eff off on that attitude.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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You are wound tighter than me, sheesh.

It was good to see liberals recognizing problems in liberal youth today and not feeling compelled to invalidate that recognition because the source of truth was the enemy. And here you go trying to make it a partisan problem again.

Honestly, eff off on that attitude.

Seems my assessment of your motivations was accurate. Try forming an argument if you disagree with anything I've said.
 

interchange

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Seems my assessment of your motivations was accurate. Try forming an argument if you disagree with anything I've said.

I was sharing a comparison that I thought was funny and followed up your reply with how I made that association. You don't have to identify with it. I don't care if you do. But don't say I'm wrong for sharing my experience as if it were some assertion that it is a universal one. But based on other statements about you in this thread, it seems I'm not the only one who has found you annoying and derailing an otherwise enjoyable non partisan dialog.

Your statements regarding people posting something disingenuously and knowing someone's ulterior motives are emblematic of why I'm open about criticizing you directly. And I do this in full awareness of my history about pushing boundaries in calling out people's internal motivations and crossing that boundary. Reflection on that here has helped me, and I invite active discussion of these things. I think they are critically important. I suggest they are engaged in with mutual curiosity.

So, I invite you, would you share your thoughts on what motivations you see in me? And do so respecting that it is merely your observation and experience rather than authority?
 
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