Everyone who drinks does drugs.

[DrPizza]

"Alcohol kills more people than any other drug..."

Could that perhaps simply be because it's the most used drug?

You're apparently equating the consumption of alcohol with abuse of alcohol. And, it's true that alcohol abuse results in many ruined lives. It's a shame that apparently you haven't realized that alcohol can be consumed responsibly with insignificant impairment to the person consuming it. (Not that a low level of consumption is the only way to imbibe responsibly.)

I had a beer 20 minutes ago. I'd estimate an approximately 0.000% increase in the likelihood of something bad happening to me as a result. Now, I'm not saying that I'm against the legalized use of marijuana, but I feel the need to point out a major difference to you: people don't smoke marijuana simply because they like the taste - they don't smoke it while attempting not to get high. However, millions of bottles of beer and glasses of wine are consumed by people daily who have no desire to become even the slightest bit intoxicated.

So, no, the people who consume alcohol but are against the legalized smoking of marijuana aren't necessarily hypocrites. Perhaps the people who get intoxicated from alcohol, then drive a car - they'd be hypocrites. I don't think I know of anyone who fits that latter description though.

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
"Alcohol kills more people than any other drug..."

Could that perhaps simply be because it's the most used drug?

You're apparently equating the consumption of alcohol with abuse of alcohol. And, it's true that alcohol abuse results in many ruined lives. It's a shame that apparently you haven't realized that alcohol can be consumed responsibly with insignificant impairment to the person consuming it. (Not that a low level of consumption is the only way to imbibe responsibly.)

I had a beer 20 minutes ago. I'd estimate an approximately 0.000% increase in the likelihood of something bad happening to me as a result. Now, I'm not saying that I'm against the legalized use of marijuana, but I feel the need to point out a major difference to you: people don't smoke marijuana simply because they like the taste - they don't smoke it while attempting not to get high. However, millions of bottles of beer and glasses of wine are consumed by people daily who have no desire to become even the slightest bit intoxicated.

So, no, the people who consume alcohol but are against the legalized smoking of marijuana aren't necessarily hypocrites. Perhaps the people who get intoxicated from alcohol, then drive a car - they'd be hypocrites. I don't think I know of anyone who fits that latter description though.

That argument is ridiculous. You can smoke weed to just enjoy the taste and relax. You don't have to smoke it to get stoned. Just because one is legal and backed by corporations doesn't make it any different.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: DrPizza
"Alcohol kills more people than any other drug..."

Could that perhaps simply be because it's the most used drug?

You're apparently equating the consumption of alcohol with abuse of alcohol. And, it's true that alcohol abuse results in many ruined lives. It's a shame that apparently you haven't realized that alcohol can be consumed responsibly with insignificant impairment to the person consuming it. (Not that a low level of consumption is the only way to imbibe responsibly.)

I had a beer 20 minutes ago. I'd estimate an approximately 0.000% increase in the likelihood of something bad happening to me as a result. Now, I'm not saying that I'm against the legalized use of marijuana, but I feel the need to point out a major difference to you: people don't smoke marijuana simply because they like the taste - they don't smoke it while attempting not to get high. However, millions of bottles of beer and glasses of wine are consumed by people daily who have no desire to become even the slightest bit intoxicated.

So, no, the people who consume alcohol but are against the legalized smoking of marijuana aren't necessarily hypocrites. Perhaps the people who get intoxicated from alcohol, then drive a car - they'd be hypocrites. I don't think I know of anyone who fits that latter description though.

That argument is ridiculous. You can smoke weed to just enjoy the taste and relax. You don't have to smoke it to get stoned. Just because one is legal and backed by corporations doesn't make it any different.

LMAO. No one smokes weed just to enjoy the taste without getting stoned. Do you take of us for naive bastards? Weed is specifically smoked with intent to get high. Alcohol often isn't.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: dug777
Except that enjoying a few quite drinks, particularly of red, is arguably likely to lead me to live longer

I'm infinitely better than anyone who takes illegal drugs, because I don't take illegal drugs.

I'd argue that there's a huge difference between alcohol and those illegal drugs the OP mentioned. They're illegal for a reason, and maybe spending five minutes reading about LSD, e's, coke, and even good old mary jane would give you a clue why.

Your example of rape just shows how deluded you are. How the fuck does raping someone equate to enjoying a glass of red? One is completely legal, and doesn't need to affect anyone around you. The other is basically the worst thing you can do to anyone.

You're a pathetic joke if you believe that's a valid analogy, mate.

I've read about Mary Jane and have no clue why it's illegal, except maybe our government is dumb?

I know tons of people who have called in work sick because they got drunk and felt like shit the next day. I've never met a person who had to call in work sick because they smoked some reefer the night before.

to use LSD > Coke > Mary Jane in the same sentence is pretty far out man.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: DrPizza
"Alcohol kills more people than any other drug..."

Could that perhaps simply be because it's the most used drug?

You're apparently equating the consumption of alcohol with abuse of alcohol. And, it's true that alcohol abuse results in many ruined lives. It's a shame that apparently you haven't realized that alcohol can be consumed responsibly with insignificant impairment to the person consuming it. (Not that a low level of consumption is the only way to imbibe responsibly.)

I had a beer 20 minutes ago. I'd estimate an approximately 0.000% increase in the likelihood of something bad happening to me as a result. Now, I'm not saying that I'm against the legalized use of marijuana, but I feel the need to point out a major difference to you: people don't smoke marijuana simply because they like the taste - they don't smoke it while attempting not to get high. However, millions of bottles of beer and glasses of wine are consumed by people daily who have no desire to become even the slightest bit intoxicated.

So, no, the people who consume alcohol but are against the legalized smoking of marijuana aren't necessarily hypocrites. Perhaps the people who get intoxicated from alcohol, then drive a car - they'd be hypocrites. I don't think I know of anyone who fits that latter description though.

People use pot in the same ways people use alcohol. Some use it very moderately, some use it until they are fully intoxicated, while others just plain abuse it. Unfortunately the fact that pot is illegal skews the usage more towards always getting intoxicated just as alcohol prohibition resulted in a decrease in moderate beer/wine drinking and an increase in hard liquor drinks.

 

[Cruisin1]

Originally posted by: oiprocs
Stop kidding yourself. You're no better than the loser that smokes pot or the druggie that loves tabs of acid.

You only believe alcohol isn't a drug because it is socially accepted. By that logic, you'd believe rape was legal if it was also socially accepted.

Alcohol kills more people than any other drug except for tobacco. No one is telling you to stop drinking; just don't be hypocrites and hate on others for their recreational activities when you're just like them.

Btw, I had an experimental phase a few years back as well as a prolonged period of smoking cannabis, but I found it to be boring after a while and quit. So no, I'm not some right wing bastard.

Sounds like you're a quitter... You won't be successful in life like that

 

[aplefka]

I think you are probably the most worthless poster on here right now. What the hell is the point of this thread? Do you feel intellectually satisfied now that you got this off your chest? Your point is nothing new, nor is your thought process, however the level of stupidity reached by a single poster (you) might be historic indeed.

 

[Argo]

So let me start by saying that I drink. Regularly. On certain weekends I can drink in the upward of 5-10 drinks a night. Yet I do not find *thank God* that alcohol controls my life.

Now let me also say that I have friends that do drugs. Not pot or any other kiddie stuff, but serious stuff like cocaine, etc. Including an ex-gf that had to go to ER, whose heart stopped and who was within an inch of dying and had to spend some serious time in rehab. Also including another friend that completely fucked up her life, was forced by her parents to leave all her friends behind and check into a rehab in another 2000 miles away from home.

Yes, alcohol is bad. Yes there's a possibility of dependency and possibility of dying. With drugs however this possibility is 100 times higher. You are 100 times more likely to become dependent, 100 times more likely to OD, 100 times more likely to fuck up your life. So there, hopefully that sheds some light on it.

 

[SirStev0]

lame rant.

 

[manowar821]

OP, I agree!

/lawnchair

Oh how the alcoholics will "baww" at this one! LULZ AHOY!

 

[BudAshes]

Originally posted by: SociallyChallenged

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: DrPizza
"Alcohol kills more people than any other drug..."

Could that perhaps simply be because it's the most used drug?

You're apparently equating the consumption of alcohol with abuse of alcohol. And, it's true that alcohol abuse results in many ruined lives. It's a shame that apparently you haven't realized that alcohol can be consumed responsibly with insignificant impairment to the person consuming it. (Not that a low level of consumption is the only way to imbibe responsibly.)

I had a beer 20 minutes ago. I'd estimate an approximately 0.000% increase in the likelihood of something bad happening to me as a result. Now, I'm not saying that I'm against the legalized use of marijuana, but I feel the need to point out a major difference to you: people don't smoke marijuana simply because they like the taste - they don't smoke it while attempting not to get high. However, millions of bottles of beer and glasses of wine are consumed by people daily who have no desire to become even the slightest bit intoxicated.

So, no, the people who consume alcohol but are against the legalized smoking of marijuana aren't necessarily hypocrites. Perhaps the people who get intoxicated from alcohol, then drive a car - they'd be hypocrites. I don't think I know of anyone who fits that latter description though.

That argument is ridiculous. You can smoke weed to just enjoy the taste and relax. You don't have to smoke it to get stoned. Just because one is legal and backed by corporations doesn't make it any different.

LMAO. No one smokes weed just to enjoy the taste without getting stoned. Do you take of us for naive bastards? Weed is specifically smoked with intent to get high. Alcohol often isn't.

Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

Eh?

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

Nobody likes non-alcoholic beer because it tastes like shit.

Plenty of people drink beers and wine for the taste. Good liquors (like a good scotch) are extremely enjoyable to sip on, especially with a fine cigar. Believe it or not a lot of these things have very complex and enjoyable flavors and you don't need to get shitfaced every time you drink alcohol to enjoy it.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

Nobody likes non-alcoholic beer because it tastes like shit.

Plenty of people drink beers and wine for the taste. Good liquors (like a good scotch) are extremely enjoyable to sip on, especially with a fine cigar. Believe it or not a lot of these things have very complex and enjoyable flavors and you don't need to get shitfaced every time you drink alcohol to enjoy it.

lol cigars AND alcohol!

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

beer tastes like crap... a nice wine or rum on the other hand... i'm all ears

edit: plenty of people drink alcoholic beverages for the taste - why do you think there are so many styles of beers, wines, etc? why do you think people have beerfests, wine tasting events, and the like? (one coming up near my, by the way, but i can't go since i have other plans)

interestingly enough, the united states used to have some of the most respected beers in the world... till prohibition came, that is (history channel ftw).

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

Nobody likes non-alcoholic beer because it tastes like shit.

Plenty of people drink beers and wine for the taste. Good liquors (like a good scotch) are extremely enjoyable to sip on, especially with a fine cigar. Believe it or not a lot of these things have very complex and enjoyable flavors and you don't need to get shitfaced every time you drink alcohol to enjoy it.

lol cigars AND alcohol!

Your point?

 

[zinfamous]

actually, alcohol kills more people than does tobacco.

well, that's what the evidence shows, anyway.

OP: stop being a fucking tool and get a life.

 

[everman]

What is the definition of "does drugs?" If it's any controlled substance, then sign me up and everyone else who uses cold medicine (need to show ID for the stuff that works now). I'm such huge druggy that I even use caffeine on a daily basis, but I can quit whenever I want.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

Eh?

seconded....what the fuck is going on with that post? Why does "no one like non-alcoholic beer?" If only alcoholics like the taste of alcohol, well...a pal 'o mine's Pa has had to refrain form the booze after a stroke several years ago. He drinks non-OH beer. As an alcoholic, there would be no other reason to drink non-OH beer, no? Why drink it w/o the OH taste?

this idiocy rivals that of the OP.

 

[randay]

but if i dont drink, i will die of dehydration. I guess i could get water through an IV, but then would i still be doing drugs?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: BudAshes
Alcohol doesn't taste good too anyone but an alcoholic. Do you drink a shot of vodka for the taste? Why does no one like non-alcoholic beer? Your argument is bunk.

beer tastes like crap... a nice wine or rum on the other hand... i'm all ears

edit: plenty of people drink alcoholic beverages for the taste - why do you think there are so many styles of beers, wines, etc? why do you think people have beerfests, wine tasting events, and the like? (one coming up near my, by the way, but i can't go since i have other plans)

interestingly enough, the united states used to have some of the most respected beers in the world... till prohibition came, that is (history channel ftw).

so, I see that you know nothing of beer.

(and I've had wine, whiskey and rum that you can only dream of, so I'm not your average American beer drinker) I've known quite a few in the business of distributing the most premium libations on this planet...and to dismiss Beer, let alone American beer (many of which are supreme among all others), is to be sadly misinformed.

Before Prohibition, Budweiser made a decent Lager, that's about it. What they produce now certainly pales to their original brew, but that original brew is a peon compared to many of the excellent beers made in this country today. Not to mention the world-renowned wines produced in Napa and Sonoma.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: everman
What is the definition of "does drugs?" If it's any controlled substance, then sign me up and everyone else who uses cold medicine (need to show ID for the stuff that works now). I'm such huge druggy that I even use caffeine on a daily basis, but I can quit whenever I want.

heh, I can't buy Claritin D these days without my Senator having a say. Fucking ridiculous.

 

[Soundmanred]

Sounds like somebodys girlfriend got drunk and bitch slapped him this weekend.
Still sore?

 

[Auryg]

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: dug777
Except that enjoying a few quite drinks, particularly of red, is arguably likely to lead me to live longer

I'm infinitely better than anyone who takes illegal drugs, because I don't take illegal drugs.

I'd argue that there's a huge difference between alcohol and those illegal drugs the OP mentioned. They're illegal for a reason, and maybe spending five minutes reading about LSD, e's, coke, and even good old mary jane would give you a clue why.

Your example of rape just shows how deluded you are. How the fuck does raping someone equate to enjoying a glass of red? One is completely legal, and doesn't need to affect anyone around you. The other is basically the worst thing you can do to anyone.

You're a pathetic joke if you believe that's a valid analogy, mate.

I've read about Mary Jane and have no clue why it's illegal, except maybe our government is dumb?

I know tons of people who have called in work sick because they got drunk and felt like shit the next day. I've never met a person who had to call in work sick because they smoked some reefer the night before.

to use LSD > Coke > Mary Jane in the same sentence is pretty far out man.

I've known plenty of people that have quit college because they were always smoking pot. That's a silly argument.

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with the OP. Just listen to yourselves. You're defending alcohol like you need it. The only reason it's legal is because it was grandfathered in, and making it illegal didn't go over too well (partially because it was already widely used).

Every time you take a drink you're killing off a bit of your brain. Screw that. I know most of ATOT (as opposed to P&N )relies on their brain more than anything else for their own well being, so why hurt it in order to have fun when you can have just as much fun doing other things. You'll be safer, it'll be a hell of a lot cheaper, and you'll actually remember it.

Almost all of the bad decisions/things my sister has done in her life is when she was drunk. My grandmother and grandpa are alcoholics, and she's heading down that path too..yet she can't seem to let up because it's the only way she knows to have fun now. I don't know the last time she actually went out with friends without drinking; and it's that way for a lot of late teenagers/early twenties people. It's ridiculous.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Originally posted by: Auryg

Originally posted by: QueBert

Originally posted by: dug777
Except that enjoying a few quite drinks, particularly of red, is arguably likely to lead me to live longer

I'm infinitely better than anyone who takes illegal drugs, because I don't take illegal drugs.

I'd argue that there's a huge difference between alcohol and those illegal drugs the OP mentioned. They're illegal for a reason, and maybe spending five minutes reading about LSD, e's, coke, and even good old mary jane would give you a clue why.

Your example of rape just shows how deluded you are. How the fuck does raping someone equate to enjoying a glass of red? One is completely legal, and doesn't need to affect anyone around you. The other is basically the worst thing you can do to anyone.

You're a pathetic joke if you believe that's a valid analogy, mate.

I've read about Mary Jane and have no clue why it's illegal, except maybe our government is dumb?

I know tons of people who have called in work sick because they got drunk and felt like shit the next day. I've never met a person who had to call in work sick because they smoked some reefer the night before.

to use LSD > Coke > Mary Jane in the same sentence is pretty far out man.

I've known plenty of people that have quit college because they were always smoking pot. That's a silly argument.

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with the OP. Just listen to yourselves. You're defending alcohol like you need it. The only reason it's legal is because it was grandfathered in, and making it illegal didn't go over too well (partially because it was already widely used).

Every time you take a drink you're killing off a bit of your brain. Screw that. I know most of ATOT (as opposed to P&N )relies on their brain more than anything else for their own well being, so why hurt it in order to have fun when you can have just as much fun doing other things. You'll be safer, it'll be a hell of a lot cheaper, and you'll actually remember it.

Almost all of the bad decisions/things my sister has done in her life is when she was drunk. My grandmother and grandpa are alcoholics, and she's heading down that path too..yet she can't seem to let up because it's the only way she knows to have fun now. I don't know the last time she actually went out with friends without drinking; and it's that way for a lot of late teenagers/early twenties people. It's ridiculous.

No, it's legal because we're tenaciously clinging to the last shreds of freedom we retain. And weed doesn't make people quit college anymore than alcohol makes people beat their wives.

But the fact remains that marijuana is a superior drug to alcohol in every way. It's much more potent and easily consumed than alcohol and the side effects are mild or non-existent. And that's why it's illegal. The puritanical streak in this country is what keeps prohibition going. Alcohol prohibition makes more sense than marijuana prohibition in every way. But that puritanical streak in us keeps it illegal, completely defiant of reason. Marijuana is too easy. Time spent watching Ren and Stimpy high on the couch should be spent fucking your wife and praying.