Everything You Need To Know About Protein

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: scootermaster
That cellmass stuff ( CellMass from BSN ) says take on an empty stomach. A couple of questions:

1). Is this the stuff you're talking about? Is this a CEE or a monohydrate? The money is not an issue for me, so I don't mind paying for the good stuff (i.e. more effective, convenient, etc)

2). If it says to take on an empty stomach, when do you take your protein after a work out? I've always taken a shake after my workout, but if thats supposed to be when I take my creatine, and it's supposed to be on an empty stomach, when do you take the protein?

I'm ready to place an order (for the Cellmass stuff and some more protein) just waiting on your reply!

Cellmass is creatine ethyl ester malate, it is top notch. I like to mix it with gatorade (orange) because it tastes awesome and helps spike insulin levels after working out.

By supplement standards the rule of thumb is 30 minutes before or after eating.
So I usually take it one hour after breakfast, and then around 6 hours later right after working out, followed by protein and my post workout meal 30 minutes later for best results.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Special K

Originally posted by: scootermaster
That cellmass stuff ( CellMass from BSN ) says take on an empty stomach. A couple of questions:

1). Is this the stuff you're talking about? Is this a CEE or a monohydrate? The money is not an issue for me, so I don't mind paying for the good stuff (i.e. more effective, convenient, etc)

2). If it says to take on an empty stomach, when do you take your protein after a work out? I've always taken a shake after my workout, but if thats supposed to be when I take my creatine, and it's supposed to be on an empty stomach, when do you take the protein?

I'm ready to place an order (for the Cellmass stuff and some more protein) just waiting on your reply!

You should be consuming protein at every meal of the day, not just after a workout. Creatine is best when it is mixed with protein and dextrose immediately after a workout. The dextrose spikes your insulin levels, which acts as a pump to push the nutrients inside your cells.

On off days, just take it first thing in the morning.

That's true for mono, but the new CEE's and phosphate/malate creatines should be consumed without protein. Some even say a slight delay in protein intake after working out helps anyway due to the allowance of your hormones to be flowing freely about 30 mins after.

 

[49erinnc]

What are some easy ways to incorporate WPI powder into something other than liquid? I had been mixing with skim milk until I read this thread but now feel that's not a good idea. Yeah, I know I could "man up" but for some reason, I simply cannot stomach my mix with just water. Maybe I need another flavor other than Vanilla-Cinnamon. But aside from maybe oatmeal, are there other options for getting in two servings of WPI powder? If not, what is the best tasting option for mixing with water? I was considering the Dymatize WPI rich chocolate that someone linked right up above.

Edit: I noticed the Dymatize WPI lists "soy" under ingredients. Odd that's an ingredient based on what I've read in this thread.

 

[jonessoda]

I have to say, as a bio major, I have to know rather more about protein than you put up there. But a good guide, even if it's got a misleading title.

 

[Qwest]

GNC 25% off any amount and free shipping off any order over $50. Deal over at the phat wallet dot com.

 

[Apocalypse23]

I need to know when to consume my coffee intake, I read it's bad to take creatine with caffeine as it will kill it's effects. I need to know whether I should stop taking coffee in the morning and instead take a glass of creatine. I also read that creatine does not work best with Glutamine if both are consumed at the same time, now m protein shake , ON 100% Whey has about 4082milligrams of Glutamine and Precursors per scoop, given I take two scoops after workout and two scoops some time in the morning. Now should I take creatine 30 min after the protein shake or just mix it? ALso, when is a good idea to consume omega 3 softgels? I'm not sure if vitamin E is to be consumed with creatine as well.

Thanks

 

[Alienwho]

Originally posted by: cobalt
http://supplementmarket.com/product_info.php?products_id=39 Best bang-for-buck protein out there.

EDIT: I have the rich chocolate. 2 scoops with water, tastes awesome. With milk it's even better but for some reason it didn't sit well with my stomach but my friends have no problems with milk. Probably just me since I'm a little more sensitive to lactose (not intolerant) but it tastes great with water anyway so I have no complaints.

Wow, i just got some of this stuff and it's the best tasting protein shake i've ever had. Tastes like chocolate milk.

 

[AlucardX]

I'm going to order some CellMass and Dynamatize Whey. I've been meaning to do this for quite some time.

So they idea is with these two, have both CellMass and Whey in the morning, with Whey 30min after CellMass. Possibly Whey during lunch. I workout after work, so i would lift with small amounts of water for hydration, take all the Cellmass right after lifting. then 30minutes later take Whey which would also be with my dinner.

On offdays I take Cellmass once in the morning

Sound right?

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: 49erinnc
What are some easy ways to incorporate WPI powder into something other than liquid? I had been mixing with skim milk until I read this thread but now feel that's not a good idea. Yeah, I know I could "man up" but for some reason, I simply cannot stomach my mix with just water. Maybe I need another flavor other than Vanilla-Cinnamon. But aside from maybe oatmeal, are there other options for getting in two servings of WPI powder? If not, what is the best tasting option for mixing with water? I was considering the Dymatize WPI rich chocolate that someone linked right up above.

Edit: I noticed the Dymatize WPI lists "soy" under ingredients. Odd that's an ingredient based on what I've read in this thread.

The soy is negligible I believe. (EditL it is, I just checked the label. My guess it is in the form of tocopherols which is used as a perservative.)

You could bake it into bran or flax seed muffins if you wanted, but then you take a chance at denaturing some of the protein. You could always just scoop the powder right into your mouth then chase with water like people do with BCAAs. I always switch my protein flavor EVERY time I buy so I never get sick of one flavor. Although I once bought 5 10lb bags of cookies and cream ON because there was a clearance sale...suffice to say I cannot stomach that flavor anymore.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Does the 1g/lb protein rule mean total weight or lean body mass?

Total.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
I need to know when to consume my coffee intake, I read it's bad to take creatine with caffeine as it will kill it's effects. I need to know whether I should stop taking coffee in the morning and instead take a glass of creatine. I also read that creatine does not work best with Glutamine if both are consumed at the same time, now m protein shake , ON 100% Whey has about 4082milligrams of Glutamine and Precursors per scoop, given I take two scoops after workout and two scoops some time in the morning. Now should I take creatine 30 min after the protein shake or just mix it? ALso, when is a good idea to consume omega 3 softgels? I'm not sure if vitamin E is to be consumed with creatine as well.

Thanks

All are myths. The creatine and caffeine myth came about because caffeine is a diuertic and pulls water out of the muscles and creatine pulls water in. Anyway creatine mono, or CEE, does not need water to diffuse into the muscles.

Creatine and Glutamine are a fine combination, I am not sure where you read that.


In fact some products out there (new ones on BSN's next release) contain creatine, glutamine, and caffeine plus B12 and other stuff.

As for vitamin E, you can take it with your creatine. But, I take it with my Fish Oil as it helps the body break down Omega 3's into EPA and DHA, and I take my fish oil with food so I do not get fish burps, and after a while it helps increase insulin sensitivity.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: AlucardX
I'm going to order some CellMass and Dynamatize Whey. I've been meaning to do this for quite some time.

So they idea is with these two, have both CellMass and Whey in the morning, with Whey 30min after CellMass. Possibly Whey during lunch. I workout after work, so i would lift with small amounts of water for hydration, take all the Cellmass right after lifting. then 30minutes later take Whey which would also be with my dinner.

On offdays I take Cellmass once in the morning

Sound right?

Sounds great. But, you should drink as much water as you can before during and after your workouts.

 

[RapidSnail]

I'm surprised that you didn't mention egg protein. Not only is it a great product for those who are lactose intolerant, it also contains the EAA's and BCAA's in full profile (if I'm not mistaken). Either way, nice article for beginners.

I do have some questions. I keep hearing how mixing your PWO whey with milk will cause the digestion to be slowed significantly. Is this anything to worry about? Also, I do not have the money to buy a casein supplement and I was wondering if ingesting 16 fl. oz. of skim before bed would have a similar effect. That's 16-18g of protein and ~12.8-14.4g of casein. Would that be enough to hold me by for the night? I usually eat a few eggs several hours before bed and drink the milk several minutes before hitting the sack.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I'm surprised that you didn't mention egg protein. Not only is it a great product for those who are lactose intolerant, it also contains the EAA's and BCAA's in full profile (if I'm not mistaken). Either way, nice article for beginners.

I do have some questions. I keep hearing how mixing your PWO whey with milk will cause the digestion to be slowed significantly. Is this anything to worry about? Also, I do not have the money to buy a casein supplement and I was wondering if ingesting 16 fl. oz. of skim before bed would have a similar effect. That's 16-18g of protein and ~12.8-14.4g of casein. Would that be enough to hold me by for the night? I usually eat a few eggs several hours before bed and drink the milk several minutes before hitting the sack.

That would be fine before bed. And, milk does slow the absorbtion somewhat. I did mention egg protein for lactose intolerant, but there is a severe lack of options available on the market that are at a good price and not chalky and bad mixing. Not to mention the absorbtion is very slow, you would be better off with milk.

 

[RapidSnail]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I'm surprised that you didn't mention egg protein. Not only is it a great product for those who are lactose intolerant, it also contains the EAA's and BCAA's in full profile (if I'm not mistaken). Either way, nice article for beginners.

I do have some questions. I keep hearing how mixing your PWO whey with milk will cause the digestion to be slowed significantly. Is this anything to worry about? Also, I do not have the money to buy a casein supplement and I was wondering if ingesting 16 fl. oz. of skim before bed would have a similar effect. That's 16-18g of protein and ~12.8-14.4g of casein. Would that be enough to hold me by for the night? I usually eat a few eggs several hours before bed and drink the milk several minutes before hitting the sack.

That would be fine before bed. And, milk does slow the absorbtion somewhat. I did mention egg protein for lactose intolerant, but there is a severe lack of options available on the market that are at a good price and not chalky and bad mixing. Not to mention the absorbtion is very slow, you would be better off with milk.

Will the milk slow the absorption enough to inhibit proper nutrient flow? I usually create an insulin spike with 2 tbsp. honey (34g simple carbs), creatine mix (34g simple carbs), 16 fl. oz. skim, and a scoop of whey (24g protein) for PWO but like I said, I'm not sure if I should worry about the milk slowing digestion too much. Some people say that your PWO shake should be mixed with water, but I don't like the taste.

With the eggs I meant you didn't devote a paragraph to it; and not just powders, but real eggs. It doesn't matter though.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: RapidSnail

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: RapidSnail
I'm surprised that you didn't mention egg protein. Not only is it a great product for those who are lactose intolerant, it also contains the EAA's and BCAA's in full profile (if I'm not mistaken). Either way, nice article for beginners.

I do have some questions. I keep hearing how mixing your PWO whey with milk will cause the digestion to be slowed significantly. Is this anything to worry about? Also, I do not have the money to buy a casein supplement and I was wondering if ingesting 16 fl. oz. of skim before bed would have a similar effect. That's 16-18g of protein and ~12.8-14.4g of casein. Would that be enough to hold me by for the night? I usually eat a few eggs several hours before bed and drink the milk several minutes before hitting the sack.

That would be fine before bed. And, milk does slow the absorbtion somewhat. I did mention egg protein for lactose intolerant, but there is a severe lack of options available on the market that are at a good price and not chalky and bad mixing. Not to mention the absorbtion is very slow, you would be better off with milk.

Will the milk slow the absorption enough to inhibit proper nutrient flow? I usually create an insulin spike with 2 tbsp. honey (34g simple carbs), creatine mix (34g simple carbs), 16 fl. oz. skim, and a scoop of whey (24g protein) for PWO but like I said, I'm not sure if I should worry about the milk slowing digestion too much. Some people say that your PWO shake should be mixed with water, but I don't like the taste.

With the eggs I meant you didn't devote a paragraph to it; and not just powders, but real eggs. It doesn't matter though.

You can get away with mixing it with milk if you absolutely must. As long as you can digest it all within an hour after working out you should be fine as long as you take it right after.

 

[AlucardX]

SVT Cobra: thanks for the info.. I always try to drink a lot of water as it is but i guess i thought my stomach might get full on water and then i would need to try to throw creatine drink, protein and food within 2h of each other. (in that order)

also, i ordered from supplementmarket.com and the guy sent me an email about an alternative to CellMass:

"Instead of CellMass, we recommend Dymatize Xpand, 2.04. It has the same ingredients but more (compare the Supplement Facts), and is less expensive, a $19.28/jar savings ($29.75/2.04 lb vs. $33.89/1.41 lb). It has six flavors to choose from. We'll switch it out if you want."

If you have time, goto the site and read the ingredients for both:

http://supplementmarket.com/dymatize-xpand-p-57.html
http://supplementmarket.com/homepage/dymatize_xpandfacts.htm

http://supplementmarket.com/bsn-cellmass-cem-141-lb-p-268.html

I'm not really sure if i should switch it out. I would save some money, but i read the ingredients closely and there are some differences, it's not exactly the same as the email from the website claims.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: AlucardX
SVT Cobra: thanks for the info.. I always try to drink a lot of water as it is but i guess i thought my stomach might get full on water and then i would need to try to throw creatine drink, protein and food within 2h of each other. (in that order)

also, i ordered from supplementmarket.com and the guy sent me an email about an alternative to CellMass:

"Instead of CellMass, we recommend Dymatize Xpand, 2.04. It has the same ingredients but more (compare the Supplement Facts), and is less expensive, a $19.28/jar savings ($29.75/2.04 lb vs. $33.89/1.41 lb). It has six flavors to choose from. We'll switch it out if you want."

If you have time, goto the site and read the ingredients for both:

http://supplementmarket.com/dymatize-xpand-p-57.html
http://supplementmarket.com/homepage/dymatize_xpandfacts.htm

http://supplementmarket.com/bsn-cellmass-cem-141-lb-p-268.html

I'm not really sure if i should switch it out. I would save some money, but i read the ingredients closely and there are some differences, it's not exactly the same as the email from the website claims.

Don't switch it, dynamatize does not have the same ingredients, and it would be impossible to know as Cellmass uses a propriatary malate matrix. Dymatize pays them for advertising to do that. I have a feeling if you ordered any creatine you'd get that email.

 

[Apocalypse23]

When taking creatine monohydrate, should I take cycles by taking twice a day and alternate every week?

Should i stop taking creatine one week and start again the next? Plus, is it okay to take it with food?

thanks

 

[CrazyShiz]

Just wanted to point out that you can get about a million different types of protein and other supplements over at True Protein at bulk pricing and even have them mixed together at whatever ratios you want.

I just started using them and I LOVE the ability to customize! They ship from California using UPS (yuck) so it may take a little while to reach you if your like me and live on the East coast. I think it's totally worth it though, and their faster acting Waxy Maize Starch (carbs) and Hydrolyzed proteins are 10x better than whey post-workout.

 

[Special K]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
When taking creatine monohydrate, should I take cycles by taking twice a day and alternate every week?

Should i stop taking creatine one week and start again the next? Plus, is it okay to take it with food?

thanks

You don't need to cycle it ever. Just take 5g/day, every day.

If you are taking it on a workout day, take it immediately post-workout. Mixing it in with whey and dextrose would be optimal.

On off days, just take it whenever. Taking it with food is fine.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Apocalypse23
When taking creatine monohydrate, should I take cycles by taking twice a day and alternate every week?

Should i stop taking creatine one week and start again the next? Plus, is it okay to take it with food?

thanks

Every day, no need to cycle. If you have the money twice a day is great, otherwise 1 time a day is fine also.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz
Just wanted to point out that you can get about a million different types of protein and other supplements over at True Protein at bulk pricing and even have them mixed together at whatever ratios you want.

I just started using them and I LOVE the ability to customize! They ship from California using UPS (yuck) so it may take a little while to reach you if your like me and live on the East coast. I think it's totally worth it though, and their faster acting Waxy Maize Starch (carbs) and Hydrolyzed proteins are 10x better than whey post-workout.

Yup great place...I get all my bulk BCAAs from there.

 

[supesman]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz
Just wanted to point out that you can get about a million different types of protein and other supplements over at True Protein at bulk pricing and even have them mixed together at whatever ratios you want.

I just started using them and I LOVE the ability to customize! They ship from California using UPS (yuck) so it may take a little while to reach you if your like me and live on the East coast. I think it's totally worth it though, and their faster acting Waxy Maize Starch (carbs) and Hydrolyzed proteins are 10x better than whey post-workout.

Yup great place...I get all my bulk BCAAs from there.

Can you link some of the protein and/or creatine which is good to get from this place? Used to work out but stopped and want to start up again.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: supesman

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: CrazyShiz
Just wanted to point out that you can get about a million different types of protein and other supplements over at True Protein at bulk pricing and even have them mixed together at whatever ratios you want.

I just started using them and I LOVE the ability to customize! They ship from California using UPS (yuck) so it may take a little while to reach you if your like me and live on the East coast. I think it's totally worth it though, and their faster acting Waxy Maize Starch (carbs) and Hydrolyzed proteins are 10x better than whey post-workout.

Yup great place...I get all my bulk BCAAs from there.

Can you link some of the protein and/or creatine which is good to get from this place? Used to work out but stopped and want to start up again.

You'll find cheaper wheys and creatines at dpsnutrition.com than true protein, you pay a premium for being able to custamize your mix and added things like delux flavors and aminogen.