eVGA GeForce 5900 Video cards - Are they OK?

[Instigator]

Umm, I didn't type it. You did. Seems pretty black and white to me. I'm not sure what planet you live on, but those are your words not mine.

this man speaks the truth. take his advice

Good thing I didn't.

 

[Corporate Thug]

i'm sorry you feel that way but i dont think there is anything i can do about the way you feel

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: shady06

Originally posted by: Instigator
I don't need to do that. You care take of that just fine with your responses.

you keep thinking that. please stop reading more into a response than there really is

He is Instigator! What can you expect?

 

[Nebor]

This thread has run it's course, it needs to be locked. It never really produced any real information.

In closing, I'd just like to say the Instigator is a big dumb moron. Thank you.

 

[Instigator]

Actually, here's the way I look at it. As with my first post in this thread, I was trying to help people understand that this DX9 5900 issue was NOT that big of a deal. Then I get "buyers remorse", "your card is sh1t" and "I don't know about you but I have a high standard than you".
So I will bring it up to the level of how people talk to me. If you truely don't think telling someone that you have a higher standard than them isn't a slam, then you have a serious communication problem.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Instigator
Actually, here's the way I look at it. As with my first post in this thread, I was trying to help people understand that this DX9 5900 issue was NOT that big of a deal. Then I get "buyers remorse", "your card is sh1t" and "I don't know about you but I have a high standard than you".
So I will bring it up to the level of how people talk to me. If you truely don't think telling someone that you have a higher standard than them isn't a slam, then you have a serious communication problem.

higher standards as far as computer hardware is concerned? no i just see that as a slam

 

[Instigator]

Nebor,
The only thing I can really say to you, is I was trying to help. But remember, you started the slamming and were proven completely wrong in every quote you made to me. Truth hurts. Next time, you might want to listen alittle more. You got way to caught up in the DX9 5900 thing and that's where you failed.

 

[Alkaline5]

Originally posted by: Nebor
This thread has run it's course, it needs to be locked. It never really produced any real information.

In closing, I'd just like to say the Instigator is a big dumb moron. Thank you.

 

[Instigator]

higher standards as far as computer hardware is concerned? no i just see that as a slam

Yes, that insinuates that I know less than you and that's why I bought the 5900. Jeez, guy. You are hilarious.

 

[Instigator]

tAlkaline5,
I understand, I would want this thread locked to after your comments were proven wrong. Even if it is locked, you will always know that you were wrong about the 5900. It's funny how when the ATI fanboys eat their words they want a thread locked. I would hope the moderators would give me same conciderations he gave you when you were slamming me all over the place. It's really simple. ATI fanboys got completely caught up in the HL2 hype and that's just what it was....hype. If this doesn't stink of a marketing ploy by ATI and Valve, then nothing does.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Instigator

higher standards as far as computer hardware is concerned? no i just see that as a slam

Yes, that insinuates that I know less than you and that's why I bought the 5900. Jeez, guy. You are hilarious.

i think you have some sort of inferiority complex or something.

this 9800/5900 topic has been discussed time and time again. in numerous threads Nebor, Rollo, BFG, and myself have gotten into long arguments about the topic. yet there is no ill will or animosity between any of use. so we discuss the same topic and everyone is still cool with each other, you discuss this topic with us and it results in a few people calling you some unflattering names. did u every consider the idea that the problem there in lies with you?

 

[Instigator]

Again, I'll let my post speak for themselves. I started off to help. Funny how you don't address the insane amount of bs responses I received. Funny how that works huh? It's a two street. I don't see you saying anything to MungoTGB about call the card sh1t.

i think you have some sort of inferiority complex or something.

Ditto, but I would say it's more along the lines of denial for you. :beer:

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Instigator
Again, I'll let my post speak for themselves. I started off to help. Funny how you don't address the insane amount of bs responses I received. Funny how that works huh? It's a two street. I don't see you saying anything to MungoTGB about call the card sh1t.

i think you have some sort of inferiority complex or something.

Ditto.

do you want me to punish him for his statement???


anyway, i think nebor put it best

"This thread has run it's course, it needs to be locked. It never really produced any real information.

In closing, I'd just like to say the Instigator is a big dumb moron. Thank you."

 

[Instigator]

this 9800/5900 topic has been discussed time and time again. in numerous threads Nebor, Rollo, BFG, and myself have gotten into long arguments about the topic. yet there is no ill will or animosity between any of use. so we discuss the same topic and everyone is still cool with each other, you discuss this topic with us and it results in a few people calling you some unflattering names. did u every consider the idea that the problem there in lies with you?

"This thread has run it's course, it needs to be locked. It never really produced any real information.

In closing, I'd just like to say the Instigator is a big dumb moron. Thank you." .

So much for your theory about no ill will. Nice 180.

did u every consider the idea that the problem there in lies with you?

I think you just provided the problem is on your side.

Also, I'm not offended by Nebor's response. He does a very good job of making a fool of himself without me saying anything.

 

[Nebor]

It was a joke.

Quit arguing you two. Neither of you are bring any new info the table, you're just bickering. Jeebus!

 

[MDE]

I'd watch before calling anyone an ATI fanatic. Most people around here just buy whatever is the best card for the money at the time (or before the magic pixie drivers). The pixie drivers came, Nvidia doesn't look as bad as before, but for the large part, their cards are still overpriced and require ludicrous (sp?) cooling contraptions. Thank you, but no thank you.

 

[Instigator]

I'd watch before calling anyone an ATI fanatic. Most people around here just buy whatever is the best card for the money at the time (or before the magic pixie drivers). The pixie drivers came, Nvidia doesn't look as bad as before, but for the large part, their cards are still overpriced and require ludicrous (sp?) cooling contraptions. Thank you, but no thank you.

I'd watch before calling someone thick headed, especially when they ended up being right. I don't consider $235 over priced and the 5900 does not have ludicrous cooling contraptions. That would be the 5800. Also, I never suggested you to buy a 5900. But what I did say was that DX9 issue with the 5900 isn't that big of deal, which was proven in part 2 and that it's a very very good video card. Certainly on par with a 9800.

Instigator, get this through your thick head.

1) The ENTIRE FX series is crippled when it comes to DX9. It's either sacrifice speed or image quality. We all know what they chose.
2) HL2 based games are coming. Only Valve knows when, but they are coming and people want their $200-500 video cards to rip through those games down the road, and it looks like the closest thing an FX card will come to ripping through those games is ripping some huge @$$ when you try running anything more complex than HL2\Doom III.
3) You're a nuisance. Please leave.
4) The reason a Ti4600 can't do 4x FSAA\8x AF is because Nvidia decided, "Hey, let's anti-alias EVERY edge in the scene. That'll look GREAT!" Too bad the GF4 Ti series doesn't have the memory bandwidth to deal with that.
5) See #3.

Interesting that I went from having a thick head to a more civilized response from you.

It was a joke.

Quit arguing you two. Neither of you are bring any new info the table, you're just bickering. Jeebus!

Ok? Usually, when people are joking the put a after it.

 

[Genx87]

I own the card and it works great.

 

[MDE]

I'd watch before calling someone thick headed, especially when they ended up being right. I don't consider $235 over priced and the 5900 does not have ludicrous cooling contraptions. That would be the 5800. Also, I never suggested you to buy a 5900. But what I did say was that DX9 issue with the 5900 isn't that big of deal, which was proven in part 2 and that it's a very very good video card. Certainly on par with a 9800.

Read what I said

but for the large part, their cards are still overpriced and require ludicrous (sp?) cooling contraptions. Thank you, but no thank you.

When I can get a 9800 non-pro for under $200, a $235 5900 doesn't seem too good anymore. BTW, you never responded to the second part of my #2 question...

 

[Nebor]

The 5900 doesn't require ludicrous cooling, the EVGA models have very sensible single slot cooling solutions with one fan. The fans on them NEVER spin up to full speed. If anything, the cooling is overkill. But hey, that's better than the stock cooling on my Radeon 9800 Pro, which became too hot to touch after an hour of gaming.

And the 5900 straight up owns a 9800 non-pro, so that's not really a great argument.

 

[MDE]

Maybe Nvidia just hasn't impressed me lately, or the 5800 leaf blower tainted my vision of them, but even the 5950 + magic pixie drivers doesn't always outperform the 9800XT, but I will admit, it is close. How in the hell does Nvidia pull all this performance out of their ass with a driver?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: MonkeyDriveExpress
Maybe Nvidia just hasn't impressed me lately, or the 5800 leaf blower tainted my vision of them, but even the 5950 + magic pixie drivers doesn't always outperform the 9800XT, but I will admit, it is close. How in the hell does Nvidia pull all this performance out of their ass with a driver?

Nvidia does it all the time w/ it's Nforce drivers... ATI could do it to if they put more time into driver development and less time into developing actual hardware.... Not that that would necessarily be a good thing.

The 5900 is a good competitor for the 9800 Pro. As is the 5950. I'm not saying either one is better, but I'm saying we have a pretty good market going right now.

Has anyone stopped to think how much ol' Gabe Newell has screwed things up? The TOTALLY threw the market sideways towards ATI, then we come to find out that it was a simple driver issue... THEN we find out he won't even be releasing his game any time soon. So he just screwed NVIDIA over for the last month or so.

 

[Instigator]

2) HL2 based games are coming. Only Valve knows when, but they are coming and people want their $200-500 video cards to rip through those games down the road, and it looks like the closest thing an FX card will come to ripping through those games is ripping some huge @$$ when you try running anything more complex than HL2\Doom III.

I'll answer it like have in previous posts. After HL2 comes out (hopefully April 2004), as a general rule it will take atleast 12 months before you start seeing other games based off the HL2 engine. Specifically because the HL2 engine isn't even licensed yet. Valve addressed this in a QA session. I will try to find the link. Same thing goes for DOOM III, which runs very well on the NV35. So, if you saying you still think the 5900 won't run DX9 very well, then you need to reread Anandtech's article again. That point is mute.

When I can get a 9800 non-pro for under $200, a $235 5900 doesn't seem too good anymore.

Not a true 9800 non-pro. They go from $235 to $250. The cards you are referring to are the SE models, which are not on the same performance level as the 9800 non-pro. I'd avoid the SE models. Here is a thread discussing it:

ATI Radeon 9800SE vs. 9600PRO?

 

[Nebor]

Not a true 9800 non-pro. They go from $235 to $250. The cards you are referring to are the SE models, which are not on the same performance level as the 9800 non-pro.

And I'll say again, a 9800 non-pro will get stomped by a 5900. Especially when they both bust out the OCing utilities.

 

[Corporate Thug]

So much for your theory about no ill will. Nice 180. {/q}

i meant there is no ill will between BFG, Rollo, Nebor, and myself. do u have a problem with reading comprehension or something?