Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: cquark


Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.

By posting the extensive links in a thread titled "Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked"

You're helping feed the delusional behavior of the posters in this forum.

 

[glugglug]

Republicans get their wish: "close" race in New Hampshire may be recounted: http://www.nashuatelegraph.com...WS02/111060040/-1/news

Blue state may become 5-15% more blue. Really the recount is for Senate & House races which look bogus.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: cquark


Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.

By posting the extensive links in a thread titled "Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked"

You're helping feed the delusional behavior of the posters in this forum.

Calling people delusional who believe that the Govt. has the means and the ability to electronically steal an election will make you look so much better.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: cquark


Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.

By posting the extensive links in a thread titled "Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked"

You're helping feed the delusional behavior of the posters in this forum.

Calling people delusional who believe that the Govt. has the means and the ability to electronically steal an election will make you look so much better.

Does perpetuating conspiracy theories actually make you feel more comfortable with the ultimate outcome of the election?

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: cquark


Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.

By posting the extensive links in a thread titled "Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked"

You're helping feed the delusional behavior of the posters in this forum.

Calling people delusional who believe that the Govt. has the means and the ability to electronically steal an election will make you look so much better.

Does perpetuating conspiracy theories actually make you feel more comfortable with the ultimate outcome of the election?

I laugh at people who trust their government too blindly

 

[erikistired]

can i get a tinfoil hat too? did you not get enough whining in the last go around? your boy once again lost. not only in the EV, but this time enough of us came out to show you people that this is the man we want in the popular vote as well.

get it through your thick skulls, you lost. again. and it's going to keep happening until you get some kind of order and focus in your party.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: imhotepmp
Sorry for the repost from here but it was buried at the bottom and this deserves its own thread.

Link Edited Out.

http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm

This is one sad sad time in American history.

Edit: Enough of these flame wars. If you disagree, FINE. If you think this silly, delusional, crazy, etc, FINE. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But please only post if you can add something INTELLIGENT to the discussion. Period. All threads in this forum seem to denigrate to name calling, labeling, and dismissive behaviour. The whole point of a forum is to have OPEN DISCUSSION. If you dont want to discuss, stay the F**k out this thread!
Imouthes

So, what is the issue here? Less people voted than were registered.

 

[MidasKnight]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: alchemize
You know, this REALLY is gonna help win the election in 2008. I mean, so many moderates were swayed by F-911 and all the "bush knew" stuff. Carter sitting next to Moore probably gained 2% points alone.

Just wait for another 4 years of this. You guys got it in the bag

What is sad - is they don't seem to be willing to learn from the '02 and '04 elections. But hey - if they want to continue down their current path...so be it.

CsG

:laugh::thumbsup:

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: cquark


Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.

By posting the extensive links in a thread titled "Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked"

You're helping feed the delusional behavior of the posters in this forum.

Calling people delusional who believe that the Govt. has the means and the ability to electronically steal an election will make you look so much better.

Does perpetuating conspiracy theories actually make you feel more comfortable with the ultimate outcome of the election?

I laugh at people who trust their government too blindly

This has nothing to do with blind trust. It has to do with the fact that no matter how many conspiracy theories you choose to support on an internet message board it will not change the outcome. You lost. Get over it.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Here's a handy link for those that are offended by the delusional comment:

Psychology Today "Do I Need Therapy" Test.

Seriously, the tinfoil hat is too tight if your ears are turning blue...

 

[Valvoline6]

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Originally posted by: fisher
can i get a tinfoil hat too? did you not get enough whining in the last go around? your boy once again lost. not only in the EV, but this time enough of us came out to show you people that this is the man we want in the popular vote as well.

get it through your thick skulls, you lost. again. and it's going to keep happening until you get some kind of order and focus in your party.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: cquark


Perhaps you should look at your own idiocy first, such as taking a news item out of context, stating your own stupid interpretation of it, then blaming the poster for your own stupidity. I didn't say or imply anything about changing who Texas' electoral votes went to; I'm pointing out that serious flaws occurred in e-voting in many areas across the US.

By posting the extensive links in a thread titled "Evidence Mounts That The Vote Was Hacked"

You're helping feed the delusional behavior of the posters in this forum.

I admit that your prior post is pretty good evidence that some people will react in a delusional fashion to a nonpartisan posting of relevant facts about an issue. However, that's no reason not to make nonpartisan posts about facts in a debate thread. Sure, there will be people on all sides who will react in a partisan fashion, but some people will actually read the post and its linked articles. Some of them may modify their positions, realizing that there's no definitive evidence of fraud, or simply realize that current electronic voting systems are flawed and need to be replaced with more secure systems.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: cquark

I admit that your prior post is pretty good evidence that some people will react in a delusional fashion to a nonpartisan posting of relevant facts about an issue. However, that's no reason not to make nonpartisan posts about facts in a debate thread. Sure, there will be people on all sides who will react in a partisan fashion, but some people will actually read the post and its linked articles. Some of them may modify their positions, realizing that there's no definitive evidence of fraud, or simply realize that current electronic voting systems are flawed and need to be replaced with more secure systems.

My apologies I was wrong, I should have picked a different post to rant about.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: imhotepmp
Sorry for the repost from here but it was buried at the bottom and this deserves its own thread.

Link Edited Out.

http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm

This is one sad sad time in American history.

Edit: Enough of these flame wars. If you disagree, FINE. If you think this silly, delusional, crazy, etc, FINE. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But please only post if you can add something INTELLIGENT to the discussion. Period. All threads in this forum seem to denigrate to name calling, labeling, and dismissive behaviour. The whole point of a forum is to have OPEN DISCUSSION. If you dont want to discuss, stay the F**k out this thread!
Imouthes

So, what is the issue here? Less people voted than were registered.

ANYONE?

 

[Dashel]

Personally I'm glad to see there are still so many fringe left types around shouting foul in the face of an overwhelming loss. Had they learned their lesson the DNC may have had a shot in 2008, although I can't imagine who would run other than Hillary. And thats... another LOSS

Seriously though, who didn't see this coming? Who didn't predict the craziness continuing? Face it, in spite of P Diddy threatening people to "Vote or DIE!", in spite of Springstein and Bon Jovi singing how much they hate Bush, in spite of Dan Rather, the NY Times and most of the other mainstream media making crap up and passing it off as news... in spite of Michael Moore trying to buy off college kids with free underwear and Ramen noodles... Bush won! He won by almost 4 million votes.

http://www.dailywav.com/0602/getnothing.wav

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: imhotepmp
Sorry for the repost from here but it was buried at the bottom and this deserves its own thread.

Link Edited Out.

http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm

This is one sad sad time in American history.

Edit: Enough of these flame wars. If you disagree, FINE. If you think this silly, delusional, crazy, etc, FINE. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But please only post if you can add something INTELLIGENT to the discussion. Period. All threads in this forum seem to denigrate to name calling, labeling, and dismissive behaviour. The whole point of a forum is to have OPEN DISCUSSION. If you dont want to discuss, stay the F**k out this thread!
Imouthes

So, what is the issue here? Less people voted than were registered.

The opposite... about 300k more people voted than were registered.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: cquark

I admit that your prior post is pretty good evidence that some people will react in a delusional fashion to a nonpartisan posting of relevant facts about an issue. However, that's no reason not to make nonpartisan posts about facts in a debate thread. Sure, there will be people on all sides who will react in a partisan fashion, but some people will actually read the post and its linked articles. Some of them may modify their positions, realizing that there's no definitive evidence of fraud, or simply realize that current electronic voting systems are flawed and need to be replaced with more secure systems.

My apologies I was wrong, I should have picked a different post to rant about.

Thank you. I appreciate the apology, and I know many issues can get heated here, but I hope we can avoid degenerating into complete partisanship.

 

[LTC8K6]

Weren't there any errors that caused Bush to lose votes? That's hard to believe, even with cheating. Or isn't anyone bothering to look for them or point them out since he was the winner?

Did everyone cheat for Bush? No one cheated for Kerry?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Weren't there any errors that caused Bush to lose votes? That's hard to believe, even with cheating. Or isn't anyone bothering to look for them or point them out since he was the winner?

Did everyone cheat for Bush? No one cheated for Kerry?

Nobody know for 100% certainty, yet. But, once thing is for sure, there were some mass problems with the e-vote systems across the country and it needs to be audited ASAP. I say this: No matter who it helps/hurts.

 

[BAMAVOO]

I could have sworn I saw UFO's and sharks with lazer beams on their foreheads.


Have we really been to the moon? :disgust:

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Weren't there any errors that caused Bush to lose votes? That's hard to believe, even with cheating. Or isn't anyone bothering to look for them or point them out since he was the winner?

Did everyone cheat for Bush? No one cheated for Kerry?

Yes, there were. 262 issues last I checked in the votersunite.org election issues DB,
there were like 3 that favored Kerry. The vast majority favor Bush.

 

[imhotepmp]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: imhotepmp
Sorry for the repost from here but it was buried at the bottom and this deserves its own thread.

Link Edited Out.

http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm

This is one sad sad time in American history.

Edit: Enough of these flame wars. If you disagree, FINE. If you think this silly, delusional, crazy, etc, FINE. Everyone has a right to their opinion. But please only post if you can add something INTELLIGENT to the discussion. Period. All threads in this forum seem to denigrate to name calling, labeling, and dismissive behaviour. The whole point of a forum is to have OPEN DISCUSSION. If you dont want to discuss, stay the F**k out this thread!
Imouthes

So, what is the issue here? Less people voted than were registered.

ANYONE?

The issue here is that this election smells of rotteness and corruption, and anyone who doesnt think so is blinded by their ignorance, political affiliation, or just plain stupidity. Insecure voting machines used in key places, businesses providing the machines having political affiliation with bush. Voting irregularites throughtout the country, widespread voter disenfranchisment. Votes on affecting people PERSONAL LIVES(read gay marriage), something that the government has no business in.

and has been pointed out in the thread, more voters voting than registered voters.

Imouthes

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Weren't there any errors that caused Bush to lose votes? That's hard to believe, even with cheating. Or isn't anyone bothering to look for them or point them out since he was the winner?

Did everyone cheat for Bush? No one cheated for Kerry?

Nobody know for 100% certainty, yet. But, once thing is for sure, there were some mass problems with the e-vote systems across the country and it needs to be audited ASAP. I say this: No matter who it helps/hurts.

Agreed. We definitely need an audit. Most of the reliability and security problems encountered last week were known well beforehand and many (like the negative votes and massive overvotes) have occurred in prior elections. We need to stop ignoring e-voting problems and fix them before the next major election.

 

[cquark]

Security expert Ed Felten expands on the positon I share with him about this issue:

Tuesday?s election created lots of data about voting patterns in places that used different voting technologies. Various people have done exploratory data analysis, to see how jurisdictions that used e-voting might differ from those that did not. See, for example, the analysis cited in Joe Hall?s entry over at evoting-experts.com.

As a commenter on Joe's entry ("Jon") notes, voting technology is not the only difference between Florida counties that might account for the observed differences. Counties that used e-voting tend to be larger, more densely populated, and more Democratic-leaning than those that don?t. Perhaps these differences explain the data.

To answer questions like these would require more sophisticated data analysis, probably performed by a person who does such analyses for a living. Such a person could control for differences in voter demographics, for instance, to see whether there is an e-voting effect separate from the kinds of differences cited above. Such a person could also tell us how big the remaining effect is, and whether it is statistically significant.

It would be great if some hotshot social science data analyst would agree to do such a study. I?m sure that the folks out there who have data would be willing to furnish it, and to suggest theories to test.

It?s also worth thinking about what a particular finding would tell us. It?s one thing to find an anomaly in the data; but it?s another thing to explain what could have caused it. If you can point to an anomaly, but you don?t have a plausible story about how a rational election-stealing strategy would have caused that anomaly, then you don?t have strong proof of fraud, no matter how much evidence of the anomaly?s existence you can present.

If real anomalies exist, I think it?s more likely that they?ll turn out to be caused by errors or technology failures than by e-voting fraud. Either way, a careful study of the data might be able to teach us a lot about how well various voting technologies work in practice.

 

[LTC8K6]

Yes, there were. 262 issues last I checked in the votersunite.org election issues DB,
there were like 3 that favored Kerry. The vast majority favor Bush.

That seems unbelievable. What does "favor Bush" mean. Does it mean that they also favored Kerry a little?