Evolution and the Big Bang...

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Skyclad1uhm1

Lifer
Aug 10, 2001
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What was there before God? Who created him? Why would he create anything if he is omnipotent and omniscient? Not much use if you know exactly what choices will be made as you created the persons in such a way they'd make them, and created the circumstances for it to happen.

Wouldn't he have killed himself out of boredom .0001 ms after coming into existance?

No, the existance of energy and movement and reaction between parts of that energy are much harder to grasp indeed than some omnipotent 'God' who has always existed.
 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: yellowfiero
Originally posted by: Caveman
The other recent thread on evolution got me thinking... What about before the big bang? Where did the matter come from that supported this event. Even if it was a miniscule peice of something, it was "something". What about energy? How did that just "happen"? There has to be a source... In scientific terms... to say otherwise would be absurd.

Right?

God created the universe. How else can this be explained?

 

conjur

No Lifer
Jun 7, 2001
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Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You don't know, but you still believe. That's called faith, baby.
Oh shut up already. You think evolution is "faith" too, you moron.



If it can't be proven then yes. Its faith.

Why are you so damned determined to slap down anyone and anyones ideas that there might be some greater power out there besides ourselves (God).

Because there is absolutely NO basis, NO evidence that supports the existence of a God.

However, from http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.html

The word "theory," in the context of science, does not imply uncertainty. It means "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena" [Barnhart 1948]. In the case of the theory of evolution, the following are some of the phenomena involved. All are facts:
That life appeared on earth more than two billion years ago;
That life forms have changed and diversified over life's history;
That species are related via common descent from one or a few common ancestors;
That natural selection is a significant factor affecting how species change.
Many other facts are explained by the theory of evolution as well.

The theory of evolution has proved itself in practice. It has useful applications in epidemiology, pest control, drug discovery, and other areas [Bull and Wichman 2001; Eisen and Wu 2002; Searls 2003].

Creationism is neither theory nor fact; it is, at best, only an opinion. Since it explains nothing, it is useless.

If "only a theory" were a real objection, creationists would also be issuing disclaimers complaining about the theory of gravity, atomic theory, the germ theory of disease, and the theory of limits (on which calculus is based). The theory of evolution is no less valid than any of these.

You certainly put a lot of effort into arguing against something that so clearly isn't true.

And just what exactly is so clearly not true, oh bard of the basis of all belief?

Creationism, thilly.

Well...takes a lot of energy to beat sense thru the thick skulls of the fundies!
 

upsciLLion

Diamond Member
Feb 21, 2001
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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You don't know, but you still believe. That's called faith, baby.
Oh shut up already. You think evolution is "faith" too, you moron.



If it can't be proven then yes. Its faith.

Why are you so damned determined to slap down anyone and anyones ideas that there might be some greater power out there besides ourselves (God).

Because there is absolutely NO basis, NO evidence that supports the existence of a God.

However, from http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA201.html

The word "theory," in the context of science, does not imply uncertainty. It means "a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena" [Barnhart 1948]. In the case of the theory of evolution, the following are some of the phenomena involved. All are facts:
That life appeared on earth more than two billion years ago;
That life forms have changed and diversified over life's history;
That species are related via common descent from one or a few common ancestors;
That natural selection is a significant factor affecting how species change.
Many other facts are explained by the theory of evolution as well.

The theory of evolution has proved itself in practice. It has useful applications in epidemiology, pest control, drug discovery, and other areas [Bull and Wichman 2001; Eisen and Wu 2002; Searls 2003].

Creationism is neither theory nor fact; it is, at best, only an opinion. Since it explains nothing, it is useless.

If "only a theory" were a real objection, creationists would also be issuing disclaimers complaining about the theory of gravity, atomic theory, the germ theory of disease, and the theory of limits (on which calculus is based). The theory of evolution is no less valid than any of these.

You certainly put a lot of effort into arguing against something that so clearly isn't true.

And just what exactly is so clearly not true, oh bard of the basis of all belief?

Creationism, thilly.

Well...takes a lot of energy to beat sense thru the thick skulls of the fundies!

You are such a civil servant. :gift:
 

Caveman

Platinum Member
Nov 18, 1999
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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
What was there before God? Who created him? Why would he create anything if he is omnipotent and omniscient? Not much use if you know exactly what choices will be made as you created the persons in such a way they'd make them, and created the circumstances for it to happen.

Wouldn't he have killed himself out of boredom .0001 ms after coming into existance?

No, the existance of energy and movement and reaction between parts of that energy are much harder to grasp indeed than some omnipotent 'God' who has always existed.

Think about the concept of "free moral agancy". This will help you understand.
 

Caveman

Platinum Member
Nov 18, 1999
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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
What was there before God? Who created him? Why would he create anything if he is omnipotent and omniscient? Not much use if you know exactly what choices will be made as you created the persons in such a way they'd make them, and created the circumstances for it to happen.

Wouldn't he have killed himself out of boredom .0001 ms after coming into existance?

No, the existance of energy and movement and reaction between parts of that energy are much harder to grasp indeed than some omnipotent 'God' who has always existed.

Think about the concept of "free moral agancy". This will help you understand.
 

Caveman

Platinum Member
Nov 18, 1999
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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
What was there before God? Who created him? Why would he create anything if he is omnipotent and omniscient? Not much use if you know exactly what choices will be made as you created the persons in such a way they'd make them, and created the circumstances for it to happen.

Wouldn't he have killed himself out of boredom .0001 ms after coming into existance?

No, the existance of energy and movement and reaction between parts of that energy are much harder to grasp indeed than some omnipotent 'God' who has always existed.

Think about the concept of "free moral agancy". This will help you understand.
 

Caveman

Platinum Member
Nov 18, 1999
2,532
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91
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
What was there before God? Who created him? Why would he create anything if he is omnipotent and omniscient? Not much use if you know exactly what choices will be made as you created the persons in such a way they'd make them, and created the circumstances for it to happen.

Wouldn't he have killed himself out of boredom .0001 ms after coming into existance?

No, the existance of energy and movement and reaction between parts of that energy are much harder to grasp indeed than some omnipotent 'God' who has always existed.

 

Caveman

Platinum Member
Nov 18, 1999
2,532
34
91
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
What was there before God? Who created him? Why would he create anything if he is omnipotent and omniscient? Not much use if you know exactly what choices will be made as you created the persons in such a way they'd make them, and created the circumstances for it to happen.

Wouldn't he have killed himself out of boredom .0001 ms after coming into existance?

No, the existance of energy and movement and reaction between parts of that energy are much harder to grasp indeed than some omnipotent 'God' who has always existed.

Thinking about the concept of "free moral agency" will help you understand.
 

XZeroII

Lifer
Jun 30, 2001
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There is actually lots of debate on the subject. Many scientists are no longer buying into the Big Bang theory. They think it was more like a *pfffffpht* instead of a bang. The problem is that the Big *pfffffpht* doesn't sound as good as Big Bang.
 

sxr7171

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Jun 21, 2002
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Send me $10,000 via paypal (+ 3% for credit card), and I will send you a document that contains the answers to all your questions.
 

moomoo40moo

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Jul 10, 2003
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Read this about the universe. Most have probably read this, but it will change your outlook on life, and how everything around us is actually a gigantic hologram. The big bang probably never happened, and our world was set up as a hologram, etc.
yeh w/e im tired
 

BlackJesus03

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Feb 20, 2004
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That little bit of matter at the beginning was always there. Just like God was always there (haha yeah right) . Have a little faith, guys. That as good as answer that you'll get
 
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