Evolution and the Big Bang...

[Caveman]

The other recent thread on evolution got me thinking... What about before the big bang? Where did the matter come from that supported this event. Even if it was a miniscule peice of something, it was "something". What about energy? How did that just "happen"? There has to be a source... In scientific terms... to say otherwise would be absurd.

Right?

 

[SaintGRW]

what's this about mitsubishi?

 

[gopunk]

yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

you don't know that no one will ever know

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

Absurd. Last time I was the Dictator of the Known Universe, now I'm just a lowly trainee of the United States military.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

you don't know that no one will ever know

Indeed.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

Absurd. Last time I was the Dictator of the Known Universe, now I'm just a lowly trainee of the United States military.

Maybe this is your punishment for being a ruthless dictator.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Countdown to Flyertard, Genesys, or one of our other resident zealots chiming in with "THAT'S PROOF THAT GOD MADE EVERYTHING!!"

 

[edro]

You are asking Anandtechers to answer the single most sought after question in the history of mankind.

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: Caveman
has to be a source... In scientific terms... to say otherwise would be absurd.

Is it truely absurd to think that energy has always been here in one form or another? Is it then also absurd to think that energy will always be here?

Why must everything have a creation? Why can't things have always existed?

To be devil's advocate (bad pun intended): if everything must have a creator, who created God? Or now do you argue that God and his powers always existed and don't need a creator but everything else must have a creator? Kindof hypocritical sounding argument there...

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: edro13
You are asking Anandtechers to answer the single most sought after question in the history of mankind.

well, second only to "how do i get my wife to agree to a threesome"

 

[matt426malm]

If somehow it all "equals" out to nothing. Something positive and something negative they sort of like -2 + 2 is really zero but we see both positives and negatives? (my "theory")

Another recent idea is that okay quantum interactions, there are all the time, particles phasing in and out of existence. Two three+ dimensional branes (our universe and another universe) existing in a higher dimension collide (possibly pulled together by gravity.) The collision of the "temporary" quantum static is a huge amount of energy.

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

Absurd. Last time I was the Dictator of the Known Universe, now I'm just a lowly trainee of the United States military.

Maybe this is your punishment for being a ruthless dictator.

But, who's dishing out the punishment?

 

[SWScorch]

time is circular

 

[Gyrene]

Originally posted by: SWScorch
time is circular

More of a rhombus.

 

[bradruth]

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: dtyn

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

Absurd. Last time I was the Dictator of the Known Universe, now I'm just a lowly trainee of the United States military.

Maybe this is your punishment for being a ruthless dictator.

But, who's dishing out the punishment?

Perhaps the ever-existing energy force...

 

[matt426malm]

colliding branes article

 

[Witling]

I think you might want to raise this question in the highly technical forum but, as far as I know as a layman who isn't particularly interested in this subject. We can never know what happened before the big bang. It's quite likely that time is an artifact of that explosion. What existed before is not something we can deal with. There is (or used to be) a big argument about whether the universe was positively or negatively curved. It has implications for whether the universe is bounded. I don't know what the current state of knowledge is, but it's my belief that the universe is positively curved and will eventually collapsed. My only evidence of that is that everything that I know about has a finite life but continues on in some form. Sort of the Tao of the universe.

By the way, take your last good look at the sun; another 5 billion years and it won't support us.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

You don't know, but you still believe. That's called faith, baby.

 

[BigToque]

Originally posted by: Caveman
The other recent thread on evolution got me thinking... What about before the big bang? Where did the matter come from that supported this event. Even if it was a miniscule peice of something, it was "something". What about energy? How did that just "happen"? There has to be a source... In scientific terms... to say otherwise would be absurd.

Right?

One thing that I never really thought about before, that I'm starting to think about a little now. When you talk to people who believe in God and religion, their answer as to why they believe is simple. They have faith.

Now many people who don't believe in God would tell you "I believe in science. Everything in this universe can be proven by scientfic methods.". There is no current method that can even come close to proving how the universe began. If you believe that science will show you the truth, you have faith that is no different than that of any religious person.

I dunno, I just think that it is an interesting way to think about things.

 

[matt426malm]

Originally posted by: Witling
I think you might want to raise this question in the highly technical forum but, as far as I know as a layman who isn't particularly interested in this subject. We can never know what happened before the big bang. It's quite likely that time is an artifact of that explosion. What existed before is not something we can deal with. There is (or used to be) a big argument about whether the universe was positively or negatively curved. It has implications for whether the universe is bounded. I don't know what the current state of knowledge is, but it's my belief that the universe is positively curved and will eventually collapsed. My only evidence of that is that everything that I know about has a finite life but continues on in some form. Sort of the Tao of the universe.

By the way, take your last good look at the sun; another 5 billion years and it won't support us.

I believe the "current" consensus based on WMAP (flat give or take 2%) and supernova research (will expand forever).

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
You don't know, but you still believe. That's called faith, baby.

Oh shut up already. You think evolution is "faith" too, you moron.

 

[Witling]

I'd say that my belief in the eventual contraction of our universe is less than faith. It's equivalent to asking me, "Will it rain tomorrow?" I'll have an answer but I'm not sure that I'd call that faith.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: bradruth

Originally posted by: gopunk
yea i don't think you're going to get the answer here... nobody knows

Nor will anybody ever know, at least while alive.

Think about this...how many times do you think the universe has contracted and expanded over "time"? Maybe we've been here before, having this very same conversation the last time we were at this stage. *X-files music*

you don't know that no one will ever know

You don't know that!




That's my personal belief (yes...belief...as it can't be proven...yet) is that the Big Bang was the result of a Big Collapse and we will one day again head into another Big Collapse leading to yet another Big Bang, etc.