Okay, let's get to the real issue and stop the nonsense: Please explain to me your theory on how the genetic material necessary for life originated.
Errrr ... it's called survial of the fittest. Evolution is an overused term that is not accurate and alot of bible hugging SOBs are to stupid to know this. Smarter people need to fix their terminology.
What argument? You haven't participated in the least. You've done nothing but flaunt your stupidity.
If you'd have been civil instead of dragging this conversation down to your dumbass level, I wouldn't have made the request.
Get your replies in quick before it gets locked, before he has a chance to "respond."
You've provided me with your proof of common ancestory, the fossil recor, homology, and biogeography, and I find it lacking. I explained to you in this thread why I find it lacking.
To the best of my knowledge it happened via the primordial soup. Don't take my word for it, i'm a Captain half way around the world and what i know is just basic knowledge on the matter, there are tenths of thousands of scientists who have studied this and their answers are available on talkorigins.
You do realise that this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the ToE though?
Ooo more have shown up for the party!
That's basically correct, but the primordial soup theory has been modified to some extent. I think the top theory at the moment could basically be called the Primordial Tidal-pool Soup theory. Which goes along with most scientists currently arguing, "No moon, no life," at least, not the way it developed.
Between early atmosphere (and I think the magnetosphere wasn't stabilized, or at least not anything like it is today) and shallow tidal pools, the radiation is said to have been the major kick needed to push something into action.
As for origin of biological material, it could have been from debris in space, or possibly the direct product of the tidal pool method - experiments have already shown that amino acids could be produced in the lethal and toxic early-Earth environment, so they could all be home-grown. RNA and/or DNA could be "alien", could have simply gotten whipped up too.
One theory I happened upon somewhat recently, is the notion that the seas could have whipped up a sea-foam, and if the water getting all bubbly had some lipids, a type of soap-bubble could have trapped some of those early biological compounds. Soap bubbles tend to divide and merge, so a little action here and there could have whipped up the first single-celled organism.
It took over a billion years for any multi-celled organisms to come into the scene after the single-celled party first started (at least, to come around and actually stay for the show).
After the first multiple-celled organism, it all went downhill, and fast - and now Earth has us to show for it all.
A typical protein contains about about 300 amino acids. The probability of building a 150-amino-acid-length chain at random in which all bonds are peptide bonds and all amino acids are L-form (functioning proteins tolerate only left-handed amino acids) is roughly 1 chance in 10^180.
To put this in perspective, the chance of winning the Mega Millions lottery is about 10^8.
A typical protein contains about about 300 amino acids. The probability of building a 150-amino-acid-length chain at random in which all bonds are peptide bonds and all amino acids are L-form (functioning proteins tolerate only left-handed amino acids) is roughly 1 chance in 10^180.
To put this in perspective, the chance of winning the Mega Millions lottery is about 10^8.
A typical amino acid contains about about 300 amino acids. The probability of building a 150-amino-acid-length chain at random in which all bonds are peptide bonds and all amino acids are L-form (functioning proteins tolerate only left-handed amino acids) is roughly 1 chance in 10^180.
Like I said, I can demonstrate a feat which would dwarf 10^8 in hardly any time at all. Imagine what could happen given billions of years. Imagine what could happen given infinite years.To put this in perspective, the chance of winning the Mega Millions lottery is about 10^8.
A typical protein contains about about 300 amino acids. The probability of building a 150-amino-acid-length chain at random in which all bonds are peptide bonds and all amino acids are L-form (functioning proteins tolerate only left-handed amino acids) is roughly 1 chance in 10^180.
To put this in perspective, the chance of winning the Mega Millions lottery is about 10^8.
And 10^180 is just for one simple protein. A complete bacterium is composed of hundreds or thousands of enzymes & proteins.
What chance is there that your god exists? Based on evidence, I'd say precisely NULL.
A typical protein contains about about 300 amino acids. The probability of building a 150-amino-acid-length chain at random in which all bonds are peptide bonds and all amino acids are L-form (functioning proteins tolerate only left-handed amino acids) is roughly 1 chance in 10^180.
To put this in perspective, the chance of winning the Mega Millions lottery is about 10^8.
And 10^180 is just for one simple protein. A complete bacterium is composed of hundreds or thousands of enzymes & proteins.
*Crickets still chirping**Crickets chirping*In what way would that show intelligent design is false? Why couldn't the alleged "designer" have designed a continuously functional pathway?
*Crickets chirping*In what way would a failure to describe such a system demonstrate intelligent design? All you have is an argument from incredulity -- you're basically saying "We don't know how it could have arisen, therefore intelligent design." Do you really fail to understand why that isn't a sound argument?
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*Crickets chirping*Isn't it your belief that your alleged "designer" did not merely design biological organisms, but designed literally every aspect of our functioning universe, from planetary orbits to the hydrological cycle? If everything in the universe is designed, then how would you know what an "undesigned" phenomenon looked like?
Plus, keep in mind that DNA can only work in the cell, and a cell is made by the directions in the DNA. It all had to come about by chance all at the same time.
Here's another good article:
On the Origins of Life
By: David Berlinski
http://www.discovery.org/a/3209
Maybe I'm not so clever, but this guy appears to be.
By the way, I believe that he is a secular Jew.
David Berlinski received his Ph.D. in philosophy from Princeton University and was later a postdoctoral fellow in mathematics and molecular biology at Columbia University. He has authored works on systems analysis, differential topology, theoretical biology, analytic philosophy, and the philosophy of mathematics, as well as three novels. He has also taught philosophy, mathematics and English at such universities as Stanford, Rutgers, the City University of New York and the Universite de Paris. In addition, he has held research fellowships at the International Institute for Applied Systems Analysis (IIASA) in Austria and the Institut des Hautes Etudes Scientifiques (IHES) in France.
Recent articles by Dr. Berlinski have been featured in Commentary, Forbes ASAP, and the Boston Review. Two of his articles, "On the Origins of the Mind" (November 2004) and "What Brings a World into Being" (March 2001) have been anthologized in The Best American Science Writing 2005 , edited by Alan Lightman (Harper Perennial), and The Best American Science Writing 2002, edited by Jesse Cohen, respectively.
He is author of numerous books, including A Tour of the Calculus (Pantheon 1996), The Advent of the Algorithm (2000, Harcourt Brace),.Newton's Gift (The Free Press 2000), The Secrets of the Vaulted Sky (Harcourt, October 2003), A Short History of Mathematics for the Modern Library series at Random House (2004), and The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and Its Scientific Pretensions (Crown Forum, 2008).
I'm not sure what you're trying to exactly discuss about this article.
Did you even read it?
It doesn't support anything you have said about the origins of life as a product of a creator, rather it merely discusses what the scientific community has deduced in regards to DNA, RNA, peptides, cytosine, ribose, etc etc etc. at?
A typical protein contains about about 300 amino acids. The probability of building a 150-amino-acid-length chain at random in which all bonds are peptide bonds and all amino acids are L-form (functioning proteins tolerate only left-handed amino acids) is roughly 1 chance in 10^180.
To put this in perspective, the chance of winning the Mega Millions lottery is about 10^8.
And 10^180 is just for one simple protein. A complete bacterium is composed of hundreds or thousands of enzymes & proteins.