Exactly how long would the US of A last without oil?

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Veliko

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About twenty minutes. Once all the rednecks in the Southern states realise that they can no longer drive to their cousin Billy Bob Sue Joe's house for some incest rumpy pumpy they will go on a rampage.
 

Exterous

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The only thing we really export are jobs, weapons, mcdonalds, burger king, disney and wal-mart.

I imagine the rest of the world would be better off without our garbage.

We grow and export a lot of food. Over 50% of the worlds's traded cereals are produced in the US (68% of corn exports are from the US, about 50% of it's soybeans etc)

If we cut that off there would be a lot of food pressure in the rest of the world
 
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if people will not sell it to us, we will take it.

ugly scenario, but if it reaches crisis situation you think our country would just bow down and fade away?
 

bfdd

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We grow and export a lot of food. Over 50% of the worlds's traded cereals are produced in the US (68% of corn exports are from the US, about 50% of it's soybeans etc)

If we cut that off there would be a lot of food pressure in the rest of the world

Hell yeah, we fucking rule!


We'd probably have some chaos at first due to rationing. I'd be willing to bet that we'd see a surge of innovation across industries though. Nuke wouldn't be an after thought or at the bottom of the list, probably push it to the top.
 

mYellow

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It would last long enough for many middle east countries to have black eyes from our military and then hand over the oil. 2 months maybe.

Seriously, we would go to war for it I think.
 

Ronstang

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I have stopped worrying about such things. Considering I can make my own fuel and fine tune the engines in my cars to run on it I will be the guy driving around when everyone is walking.
 

Engineer

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america is the saudi arabia of coal.

i'm sure the environmentalists would go nuts if we went all out goal gasification and burning the stuff like there was no tomorrow lol.

we hold the planet hostage!

We're not too far from that in natural gas either.

Interesting that we currently (even before the latest blowup in prices) us 11% less gas/oil than 2007.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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About 3 months. Transportation problems would be the least of our worries. Plastics and composites would be the nail in the coffin. Our society would literally self destruct and we would have no option for survival except to invade oil producing countries. Cue WW III which we would 'win' at the cost of 2/3 of the worlds population dead and all societies set back to the pre industrial revolution days. Oh yeah, you can kiss the internet goodbye for generations.
 

drinkmorejava

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It would suck, but we produce a lot more than 20% of our oil.

2010 ~ 9.056 million bbl/day
+ 2.064 (canada) + 1.223 (mexico) + spare capacity

So at least 14 million bbl/day produced assuming we don't start raiding ANWR or something

Strategic reserve could do another 2 million a day for two years, which is enough time to give ourselves a crash course in coal liquefaction.

so we end up with a baseline of 75% of current supply and a number of avenues to increase production.
 

sandorski

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Sticking with the Hypothetical and ignoring Military Options, the US would be fucked the moment it began. Probably, Martial Law would be imposed immediately, rationing would be setup ASAP and likely ban certain groups/vehicles from access completely. The Oil supply would be cut in half(approx) and within a couple weeks there would not be enough Fuel for all the vehicles on the road.

It would get very ugly very fast. Riots, fights, looting would occur in many places. People will have difficulty commuting to Work, creating even more problems. If it was a permanent situation, it would take months before people adjusted enough to restore a sense of normalcy and many years before it would just be a memory with no effect on peoples lives.
 

coreyb

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how would the US invade without oil? what's going to run all the planes, tanks, helicopters, etc?
 

0roo0roo

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how would the US invade without oil? what's going to run all the planes, tanks, helicopters, etc?

you take what you need.

in any case a real war to get oil from an oil state isn't that hard if you are brutal, because oil refineries and rigs are all stationary targets a few cruise missiles and your enemy is in the same boat. when a major war starts, no one has oil.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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you take what you need.

in any case a real war to get oil from an oil state isn't that hard if you are brutal, because oil refineries and rigs are all stationary targets a few cruise missiles and your enemy is in the same boat. when a major war starts, no one has oil.


Except they would blow up all the equipment necessary to move the oil out of their countries. Pipelines BOOM! Same for rigs and anything else you could name.

It's one thing to invade, it's another to be able to take something like oil.
 

0roo0roo

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Except they would blow up all the equipment necessary to move the oil out of their countries. Pipelines BOOM! Same for rigs and anything else you could name.

It's one thing to invade, it's another to be able to take something like oil.

you are missing the point, you are asking for a gun pointed to your head if you escalate a situation which involves withholding oil. if your goal is to hurt the united states, fine, but it comes with the price of national suicide.

i didn't say they would pump oil right away, it doesn't really matter if they do, no one has oil on day 2 of such a war, and people fight with what they have, which is basically what is projected in any modern war between large powers anyways. problem for oil states is the us has so much more to fight with. so in time, they'd lose even if the us is hurt a bit, but in the end it would not have much of a point for the oil rich countries, which is why this will never happen.

I know folks like to say the us is dependent on oil, but the oil states are doubly so.
 
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Driving to work this morning, looking at gas at $3.44/gallon, it made me wonder how easily the world could gang up and cripple the US by saying, "No soup for you!!!" and cutting off the supply of oil. Obviously the strategic reserve would only help a very minimal bit, since that will be first and foremost designated for military assets.

But how quickly would the economy hit the shitter given our limited ability to produce crude nationally? I think it's what, something like 20% tops of our yearly gross oil consumption can be handled by domestic oil? A full cutoff would instantly drive prices through the roof, grinding most of the US to a standstill economically. It's scary to think about how precarious of a position we're in. I know I can't afford $5+/gallon gasoline, let alone the other 80% of products that use some form or other various petrochemical on a daily basis.
I dunno. We still have ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads that have been bored for a very long time. I say a simple threat of soup or radiation would make that decision a turnover real quick.
 

erikistired

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I blame Sarah Palin for this "drill baby drill" stuff. It doesn't take into account that:

1) Oil field size estimates are just that. They can vary wildly because it's still not an exact science.

2) A lot of oil in the US reserves is more difficult to extract and will require greater expense, deeper wells, or even oil shale extraction.

3) Current estimates place the US as having 21.4 billion barrels of oil. The US uses 21 million of barrels of oil a day. That means just over 1000 days of oil if we can actually extract and process every single barrel estimated in our reserves.

yeah, because this argument about drilling offshore just started with her...

keep your p&n garbage in the toilet...ahem...p&n forum where it belongs.

About twenty minutes. Once all the rednecks in the Southern states realise that they can no longer drive to their cousin Billy Bob Sue Joe's house for some incest rumpy pumpy they will go on a rampage.

how are you still not banned? every post you make scream returning banned troll, and yet here you are, still making ridiculous posts.
 

Veliko

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how are you still not banned? every post you make scream returning banned troll, and yet here you are, still making ridiculous posts.

Exactly what is ban worthy about that post? Do you even read the other sub forums here?

I post irreverent and stupid stuff in here because it's the Off Topic forum, a place where people post their favourite LOLCAT websites and ask daft questions like "Exactly how long would the US of A last without oil?".

Stop taking things so seriously.
 

QuantumPion

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It would be a shock to the economy but society wouldn't crumble. We have large known unexploited reserves, off the coasts and in Alaska, not to mention oil and tar sands or even coal liquification. In addition to that, we could convert cars to natural gas, which we now know to have an absolutely enormous supply of.
 

Pulsar

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I heard that our domestic storage for our reserves are full. they need to open that pipe up so prices will drop

So.... you want to open the stategic military oil reserve in order to temporarily decrease prices, and when that is concluded, not only will we no longer have an emergency reserve, prices will go even higher because we have no bargaining chip.

In other news, Zargon maxes out his credit card on a regular basis waiting for inflation to make it so he owes less.....
 

sdifox

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So.... you want to open the stategic military oil reserve in order to temporarily decrease prices, and when that is concluded, not only will we no longer have an emergency reserve, prices will go even higher because we have no bargaining chip.

In other news, Zargon maxes out his credit card on a regular basis waiting for inflation to make it so he owes less.....

Price has nothing to do with shortage. There is no shortage. There is a little transportation issue, that is all.
 
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