Excitement at the low end of the CPU market! Update: New Llano APUs also at <$70

[Tsavo]

I noticed that the E3300 seemed kinda "laggy", bringing windows up, compared to the E5200. Not sure why.

There was no perceivable difference in the UI to me between the 3200 and the 5200 with both of them at 3.2 GHz in the same system.

 

[Borealis7]

how much cache is on the new Pentium E6800? i winder how they compare to the top C2D dual cores...
(*looks at his E8400*)

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Where? Please...

Damn, newEgg jacked up the price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138318

It was $54.99 w/free shipping, -$10 with NEWCUSTOMER10 coupon, -$10 rebate.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Damn, newEgg jacked up the price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813138318

It was $54.99 w/free shipping, -$10 with NEWCUSTOMER10 coupon, -$10 rebate.

Damn $35 for a 4 DIMM ATX board with USB3 is a steal.

 

[totalnoob]

Huh? The E5200 isn't available at Newegg, nor Ewiz, nor Amazon, nor my local store. Even when it was available, it was never less than $60.

way better than the E5200 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116381

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Damn $35 for a 4 DIMM ATX board with USB3 is a steal.

Sure is Unfortunately, I had just bought 2 of them about a month ago for $60 a piece

 

[Meghan54]

That's a particular thing that only some can take advantage of. Most people will buy from Newegg, TigerDirect, or Amazon.

For people these cpus are targeted at, most buy from Dell, HP, Acer via WalMart, Target, BB, Dell, HP, etc. They only shop by price and have no idea how "fast" or "slow" a particular cpu is vs. another. They just know it has 2 cores and does 750GB and 6GB. Some of the "smarter" ones actually do not confuse the core speed of the cpu with the installed hd or memory size, but still couldn't tell you whether a Sempron is good vs. a Celeron vs. a SB vs. an Athlon II.

 

[nenforcer]

Now we just need the Sempron 150 to be released to provide some competition.

Give these new Intel chips a run for their money.

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

For people these cpus are targeted at, most buy from Dell, HP, Acer via WalMart, Target, BB, Dell, HP, etc. They only shop by price and have no idea how "fast" or "slow" a particular cpu is vs. another. They just know it has 2 cores and does 750GB and 6GB. Some of the "smarter" ones actually do not confuse the core speed of the cpu with the installed hd or memory size, but still couldn't tell you whether a Sempron is good vs. a Celeron vs. a SB vs. an Athlon II.

I'm talking about people that will be buying these separately, not in an OEM system. My argument is about system builders who'll be making these for clients, family members, for their HTPC, a home office system, a low power server, a cheap gaming rig, etc.

 

[sm625]

Now we just need the Sempron 150 to be released to provide some competition.

Give these new Intel chips a run for their money.

There already is a sempron 150. The cheapest celeron would make minced meat out of it. AMD will most likely lower athlon X2 prices to exceed intel's price/performance ratio at the low end until the parts are gone. They should have a $50 dual core llano soon.

edit: The new sempron 198x appears to only have 512K cache per core and 2 cores. I dont know what they are thinking. It is going to be slow as dirt for what they are charging for it.

I hope oems dont start taking castrated gpu-less llanos and stick them with cheap nvidia chipsets (ie 7050) with crappy integrated graphics just to save $10. God that would reflect so badly on AMD. They need to price llano so that oems wont pull that crap.

 

[trollspotter]

edit: The new sempron 198x appears to only have 512K cache per core and 2 cores. I dont know what they are thinking. It is going to be slow as dirt for what they are charging for it.

I hope oems dont start taking castrated gpu-less llanos and stick them with cheap nvidia chipsets (ie 7050) with crappy integrated graphics just to save $10. God that would reflect so badly on AMD. They need to price llano so that oems wont pull that crap.

No, it's worse. It seems they HAVE to put them on FM1, so definitely no integrated graphics as an option.
It hurts my eyes.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

No, it's worse. It seems they HAVE to put them on FM1, so definitely no integrated graphics as an option.
It hurts my eyes.

I fail to see any possible use for that chip...

 

[trollolo]

oh dear god, now we have APU's at the 70$ price point? so one could build a full system for like 300$ now, this could very well unsettle the entire market.

 

[gmaster456]

You have a valid point. However, I am not so sure that considering that a computer could last 4 or 5 years or more, it might be worth it to invest in a better CPU. A little extra performance could be very useful in a few years, and even allow one to delay upgrading for a while. And really, what is 30 or 50 dollars, especially amortized over the life of the computer? I mean, nearly everyone has a cell phone with a 50 to 100 dollar per month charge. I dont mean to sound insensitive, and if someone is really that strapped financially, I feel for them, but most people could find a way to save a few bucks to invest into their computer purchase.

There still isn't much advantage in paying more. 5 years ago, people were buying PCs with Pentium D's in them. Those CPU's are still relevant for what most people need them for. And that is Skype, FB, Email etc.

 

[VirtualLarry]

oh dear god, now we have APU's at the 70$ price point? so one could build a full system for like 300$ now, this could very well unsettle the entire market.

$300? I can build a full dual-core system for $200. Well, $208.

Edit: That's with Linux. Of course, Windows is $100 more.

Edit: Parts list:
E5200 CPU - $43 (Amazon)
Biostar G41D3C - $43 (Newegg)
Gskill 4GB DDR3-133 - $30 ($60 for 8GB kit - Newegg)
WD 500GB Caviar Blue SATA HD - $37 (Newegg)
Sony/NEC Optiarc DVD burner - $20 (Newegg)
Sentey slimline micro-ATX case w/150W PSU - $35 (Newegg)

total $208

 

[NoobyDoo]

Celeron G540 and Celeron G440 Processors Review X Bit

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/print/celeron-g540-g440.html

Of course, if we look at the specifications, we will see that the new Celeron CPUs have lower clock frequencies and smaller L3 cache compared to Pentium. But the results of our tests show that it has very little effect on actual performance. There is no huge gap between LGA1155 Celeron and Pentium processors like the one we previously saw between Core i3 and Pentium CPUs. In other words, these two processor families are really close.

edit : NE - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...7 600095610 600005539&IsNodeId=1&name=Celeron

 

[Soulkeeper]

Anyone else notice FM1 Athlon II x4 just showed up today ?

is this supposed to be 32nm llano with the gpu disabled/removed, or is it a 45nm propus with double the cache and fm1 socket ?

this seems like an interesting/unexpected move

Edit: This site suggests it is 32nm
but 100W for a 32nm part compared to propus 45nm's 95W tdp seems odd
considering it's clocked 300MHz slower, although it does have twice the cache

 

[StrangerGuy]

$300? I can build a full dual-core system for $200. Well, $208.

Edit: That's with Linux. Of course, Windows is $100 more.

Specs and prices of each component?

 

[cebalrai]

Anyone else notice FM1 Athlon II x4 just showed up today ?

is this supposed to be 32nm llano with the gpu disabled/removed, or is it a 45nm propus with double the cache and fm1 socket ?

this seems like an interesting/unexpected move

Edit: This site suggests it is 32nm
but 100W for a 32nm part compared to propus 45nm's 95W tdp seems odd
considering it's clocked 300MHz slower, although it does have twice the cache

Should just be a a 2.6 ghz Llano with a borked gpu core. There are two advantages to this though. One, it's an Athlon with a large amount of L2 cache. Two, it's a 32 nm process where half the chip isn't generating heat. I think there's serious OC potential here.

 

[ShadowVVL]

Oh sweet ive been waiting to see the fm1 athlons. hope to see how much the power consumption went down.

 

[Vesku]

Should just be a a 2.6 ghz Llano with a borked gpu core. There are two advantages to this though. One, it's an Athlon with a large amount of L2 cache. Two, it's a 32 nm process where half the chip isn't generating heat. I think there's serious OC potential here.

Judging from the TDP it will be a real crapshoot regarding OCing. It's been suggested AMD has been pretty loose on TDPs because 32nm yields are poor and they wanted to make room for more chips that need heavy voltage to pass muster. People are running Llano's at stock clocks way undervoltage with no problems but I bet it's hit and miss.

 

[Rifter]

Oh sweet ive been waiting to see the fm1 athlons. hope to see how much the power consumption went down.

It didnt it went up. The old 45nm propus was 95w and clocked faster, the new 32nm llano cores with no GPU are 100w and clocked slower. Seems like AMD is turning there company around literraly and are now going backwards with there technology.

I dont understand how you can move to 32nm not pick up any clockspeed, actually lower clock speed and increase TDP. It makes no sense, adding cache does not increase TDP so the double of the cache is a non issue as far as TDP is concerned..

 

[Borealis7]

anyone see a comparison between these new dual cores and the wolfdale C2Ds?

 

[OBLAMA2009]

what a joke these new amd apu's are. the think they call sell significantly lower clocked chips as upgrades?????

 

[sm625]

It didnt it went up. The old 45nm propus was 95w and clocked faster, the new 32nm llano cores with no GPU are 100w and clocked slower.

Actual power draw from the wall socket should be significantly lower. Even if you dont undervolt. With undervolting the new 32nm chips should draw half the power at the same clocks.