Exclusive: First charges filed in Mueller investigation

[woolfe9998]

It was probably the 400lb man that they got the emails from.

Yeah, him or Seth Rich...

 

[emperus]

Yes, Trump found out back in March, if not sooner, that the Russians had those e-mails, yet has claimed skepticism over Russia's involvement with the hacking ever since. Not a thing Trump ever says can be believed, but that much we already knew prior to yesterday.

Very astute. All this time, Trump has been lying about Russia's part in the hacking.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Goddamn this is an amazing timeline! I'm giddy with excitement.

 

[Sunburn74]

Yes, Trump found out back in March, if not sooner, that the Russians had those e-mails, yet has claimed skepticism over Russia's involvement with the hacking ever since. Not a thing Trump ever says can be believed, but that much we already knew prior to yesterday.

Oh yeah I forgot that. He claimed total skepticism as his team was talking with Russians about it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Oh yeah I forgot that. He claimed total skepticism as his team was talking with Russians about it.

He also pulled the "Russia are you listening.....You'll be greatly rewarded by our media" around that time.

 

[zinfamous]

He also pulled the "Russia are you listening.....You'll be greatly rewarded by our media" around that time.

we already knew that Trump's really good brain gave him the best words, at the best times.

 

[hal2kilo]

we already knew that Trump's really good brain gave him the best words, at the best times.

I truly hope that he gets indicted because of his tweet comments. He might have slid by except for his flapping pie hole on twitter. I really hope its his own words that sink him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I truly hope that he gets indicted because of his tweet comments. He might have slid by except for his flapping pie hole on twitter. I really hope its his own words that sink him.

In a court of law tweets will not be nearly sufficient. What it may do is establish a pattern which is illustrative of what passes for thought, but being a ranting dick is not yet illegal.

Speculatively, I suggest that there is much going on with Flynn who has been conspicuously absent in conversations although on the surface there seems to be at least as much grounds for indictment as Manafort. When we ask ourselves "why" it seems reasonable to suspect that he has long flipped and is aiding Mueller, something which should frighten Trump, and if not being a cooperating witness, then perhaps Mueller wants it to appear that way.

Again speculation, but that would be far more useful than Twitter.

 

[woolfe9998]

He also pulled the "Russia are you listening.....You'll be greatly rewarded by our media" around that time.

That was a major screw up on his part, a function of his rank incompetence and stupidity.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That was a major screw up on his part, a function of his rank incompetence and stupidity.

That combined with his self absorbed nature and astounding hubris will likely be his undoing.

 

[trenchfoot]

Just posting this for the record. I expect the usual suspects to start repeating Papa (I'm not going to attempt spelling) was not part of the campaign

So if I'm to take at face value that Papadopoulos was a very minor volunteer of little consequence as the Trump minions are telling us as if it were a fact, then everybody else in that picture except Trump must also be very minor players of the volunteer garden variety too, right?

Just who the fvck are those Trumptards in their Propaganda Playpen trying to make fools of besides themselves? lol

 

[zinfamous]

In a court of law tweets will not be nearly sufficient. What it may do is establish a pattern which is illustrative of what passes for thought, but being a ranting dick is not yet illegal.

Speculatively, I suggest that there is much going on with Flynn who has been conspicuously absent in conversations although on the surface there seems to be at least as much grounds for indictment as Manafort. When we ask ourselves "why" it seems reasonable to suspect that he has long flipped and is aiding Mueller, something which should frighten Trump, and if not being a cooperating witness, then perhaps Mueller wants it to appear that way.

Again speculation, but that would be far more useful than Twitter.

What about Trump's admission to Lester Holt that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation against his campaign? I don't think it's one tweet, but the pattern of very public tweets, statements, and requests (directly asking Russia to "keep on hackin!") could establish enough of a pattern, no? This is all recorded, it is all admissions...I mean, if we can file emails as evidence, why not repeated public admissions of the same?

 

[Puffnstuff]

So if I'm to take at face value that Papadopoulos was a very minor volunteer of little consequence as the Trump minions are telling us as if it were a fact, then everybody else in that picture except Trump must also be very minor players of the volunteer garden variety too, right?

Just who the fvck are those Trumptards in their Propaganda Playpen trying to make fools of besides themselves? lol

Funny how fast Trump threw him under the bus. I wonder who else will be joining him there?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

So if I'm to take at face value that Papadopoulos was a very minor volunteer of little consequence as the Trump minions are telling us as if it were a fact, then everybody else in that picture except Trump must also be very minor players of the volunteer garden variety too, right?

Just who the fvck are those Trumptards in their Propaganda Playpen trying to make fools of besides themselves? lol

I'd be more curious why he was deemed to have value as a cooperating party if he was such a small cutout person to be honest. The FBI wouldn't do that if he held no value.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What about Trump's admission to Lester Holt that he fired Comey because of the Russia investigation against his campaign? I don't think it's one tweet, but the pattern of very public tweets, statements, and requests (directly asking Russia to "keep on hackin!") could establish enough of a pattern, no? This is all recorded, it is all admissions...I mean, if we can file emails as evidence, why not repeated public admissions of the same?

Either in this or the other thread there's is link to a Politico piece which has a podcast between an interviewer and the AG- Preet Bharara and they discuss this. Trump did not say that he fired Comey because of the Russian business explicitly, but did mention other things as well. A prosecutor would have to convince a jury that there was more than frustration, but actual, willful attempt to obstruct which Bharara doesn't think would sell. Patterns yes, inferences, yes. Enough to convince the Senate by 2/3's, the majority of the American public and perhaps a criminal trial jury after? I think it's going to take more, but Trump is the gift which keeps on giving in this regard. I think we'll get him but it's not going to happen tomorrow.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I think people like Sean Hannity secretly wish Clinton were the president. They make their livings by stoking outrage in their listeners and that’s way easier to do when the Others control the government. You can see it here too: sure they try and defend Trump somewhat but where they really shine is alleging more Clinton conspiracies.

She’s been politically irrelevant for a year now and Republicans are still furiously attempting to smear her in order to distract from their own failures. It’s the only playbook they know.

The reason that Pubs refuse to let the Clinton thing refuse to die is that it's THE ONE thing all Republicans can still unite behind, i.e., hatred of her. When her name is brought up, for an instant they stop tearing at each other's flesh, raise their fists in the air, and shout, "Yeah! Yeah! That bitch! Lock her up!"

Oddly, if Clinton had been elected, the Republicans would be a monolith again, the Great Wall, as it were. Hell, I'll bet Mitch McConnell has feverish and only slightly guilty fantasies about how his power would not have waned but would have gotten stronger during a Clinton presidency. Instead he got the toddler with the hammer who has no respect, and doesn't care what he tears down.

The reality is that she's an albatross around the neck of the Democratic party and should be treated like one. They need to quit allowing the press to look to her as a Dem spokesperson whenever anything happens in Washington.

 

[alien42]

can anyone make sense of trump's tweets today?

"The biggest story yesterday, the one that has the Dems in a dither, is Podesta running from his firm. What he know about Crooked Dems is earth shattering. He and his brother could Drain The Swamp, which would be yet another campaign promise fulfilled. Fake News weak!"

so are the Podestas good guys or bad guys, trump seems to be saying both.

 

[jmagg]

I think we'll get him but it's not going to happen tomorrow.

I respect your opinion, but I think more disappointment is in the cards for the Anand libs although it's good to watch whatever the truth may be come out.

 

[Younigue]

can anyone make sense of trump's tweets today?

"The biggest story yesterday, the one that has the Dems in a dither, is Podesta running from his firm. What he know about Crooked Dems is earth shattering. He and his brother could Drain The Swamp, which would be yet another campaign promise fulfilled. Fake News weak!"

so are the Podestas good guys or bad guys, trump seems to be saying both.

I saw this tweet earlier and it made me chuckle... at least the part about a campaign promise being fulfilled any way. Was that his plan all along to drain the swamp? Let The Podesta Brothers do it! Funny shit! Has he yet to make a claim that he's the best clairvoyant of all clairvoyants? Does he foresee the devastation of his Administration?

 

[UNCjigga]

And keep in mind ole Georgie was in London on October 25 2017. Check his twitter page it's a picture of him in a business suit and briefcase with only this hashtag #business

If you read his plea he's not allowed to travel except to DC, Northern Virginia and Illinois. If you think he wasn't wearing a wire and that Mueller's team was behind him being in London then I got a bridge to sell you in the desert.

Oh and where he's standing? It's outside Harrods in London. About 2 blocks from the Ecuadorian Embassy

https://twitter.com/GeorgePapa19/status/923078894634270720

Holy snap! You actually think he got access to Assange while wearing a wire? That would be interesting, but I doubt it happened.

I really do think that the Trump Administration is complicit in concocting the whole Seth Rich as DNC hacker murder conspiracy story. We know from Rod Wheeler's lawsuit that he was paid by a top Trump donor to investigate the murder, that he was asked to throw doubt on the Russian hacking story, he met with Sean Spicer at the WH to provide a "progress report", and that a Fox News "reporter" invented his quotes on the story that was eventually retracted. Now we know based on the Papadapolous timeline that the campaign knew Russia had Clinton emails BEFORE SETH WAS MURDERED. Somehow, the Trump campaign and/or Russians convinced Assange that he should hint Seth may have been their source for DNC emails (but he never explicitly confirmed or denied it.) But damn, if Mueller got Papadapolous wired up for a meeting with Assange, that would be the greatest Wikileak of all time.

 

[Sunburn74]

 

[HomerJS]

I love how Mama June still claiming no collusion by Trump when Trump asked the Russians in public to hack the Dems.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I love how Mama June still claiming no collusion by Trump when Trump asked the Russians in public to hack the Dems.

thats one of those times youre not supposed to take him literally, amirite?

 

[vi edit]

Yeah these pressers are something else. Full on Baghdad Bob mode.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I love how Mama June still claiming no collusion by Trump when Trump asked the Russians in public to hack the Dems.

The Fox News talking point is that Trump was essentially trolling the media. He wasn't serious.
I've heard it several times on these forums.

I still can't get past what would Reagan say if he were alive about the Republican President, his language regarding Russia and the seemingly endless connections to Russia his campaign has had. All the Conservative guys seem to either push out a very, very unrealistic response as to what Reagan would say or just fall back to both sides do it...