Existence after death?

[Zanix]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gravity
Yes there is. No one has pierced the veil of death and returned except Christ. Well, let me take that back, there have been some NDE or near death experiences.

You might find this one helpful Howard Storm's story.

Personally I think we are eternal beings and will go on after death.

Good luck on your search.

Gravity

This is flamebait/a joke, right?

Certainly no worse than your post...

Great point. However, mine was based on observable, testable scientific fact whereas his was based upon speculation and massively questionable ideas that many educated and open-minded people consider complete myth. A minor difference, for sure, but I feel it's important.

Is there any question science can't answer?

 

[BD2003]

There are two options:

You die and are completely wiped out of existence.

You die and are resurrected or go to heaven etc.


In the end, if you are wiped out of existence, it doesnt matter whether or not you are resurrected or go to another place yada yada, because youre dead, and you dont exist to care. If you do go to heaven, awesome. In the end it doesnt matter, since if its anything, its good, if its nothing, it doesnt matter.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: kongs
Yeah I know I have thought about this a lot and I consider myself a believer in a god (90% of the time), but I have recently started to think that their isn't an afterlife. I believe there is a god ruling over all, but that when our time in his domain is over....it's over.

how can you believe in god but none of the stuff that goes with it?

Because there is more to religion and spirituality than a prepackaged set of beliefs sold to you?

 

[ShadowBlade]

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

i was thinking about the same question as the op and came to the same conclusion

 

[BurnItDwn]

All thoughts, feelings, emotions, etc are just electrical impulses in the brain.
When you're dead, those electrical impulses stop.

I'd say it's pretty safe to assume that there is likely no "afterlife."

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: Cooler
My grandfather had an out body expirece when his heart stoped. He said he was floating above the operating table and saw the someone drop a sponge. when he came to the people in the room were looking for it and he told them where it was.

This is the best evidence IMO for existence after death. I've read a variety of NDE cases and I find them compelling. Additionally, my Mom's cousin was electrocuted repairing power lines (his job) and was clinically dead for awhile. He is a pretty solid guy and said that he was in a dark tunnel heading towards a light.

According to the vast majority of NDE's I've read, the purpose of life on earth is essentially a bootcamp for souls, a place for soul growth...

I think NDE's may be the best evidence for existence outside of the physical body. The phenomenon could even be tested scientifically perhaps, I've read that some hospitals put signs in odd places that could only be seen from outside the body for this reason.

 

[clickynext]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Reck
highly unlikely

Why do you say this

I'm guessing the 8 ball said so.

 

[Adica]

Unfortunetely, death is a black hole of nothingness. Prove me wrong.

 

[Polish3d]

I'll tell you after I die if you're wrong

 

[jumpr]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Cooler
My grandfather had an out body expirece when his heart stoped. He said he was floating above the operating table and saw the someone drop a sponge. when he came to the people in the room were looking for it and he told them where it was.

This is the best evidence IMO for existence after death. I've read a variety of NDE cases and I find them compelling. Additionally, my Mom's cousin was electrocuted repairing power lines (his job) and was clinically dead for awhile. He is a pretty solid guy and said that he was in a dark tunnel heading towards a light.

According to the vast majority of NDE's I've read, the purpose of life on earth is essentially a bootcamp for souls, a place for soul growth...

I think NDE's may be the best evidence for existence outside of the physical body. The phenomenon could even be tested scientifically perhaps, I've read that some hospitals put signs in odd places that could only be seen from outside the body for this reason.

Show me definitive evidence that life after death exists and I'll believe you. But what you just described is one of a million stories - yes, stories - of near-death experiences.

There is very little evidence - scientific or otherwise - to suggest that life continues after death.

 

[myusername]

The correct answer is "there is currently no way of knowing" How you choose to direct your life based on that information is up to you.
NDE's do not prove the existence of a god, and they probably do not predict the existence of an afterlife.
Science currently does not support the existence of an afterlife, BUT IT DOES NOT DENY IT.
Strictly speaking, it would be, in some sort of wildy theoretical fashion, possible for human consciousness to be a physical manifestion of some external process. Current knowledge does not suggest that this is likely, but it does not rule it out. It is entirely possible to be secular and believe in existence after death ... just as it is possible to be religious and believe in non-existence after death.

 

[Polish3d]

Why would NDE's not predict the existence of an afterlife? Have you really read the accounts?

 

[jumpr]

Originally posted by: Frackal
Why would NDE's not predict the existence of an afterlife? Have you really read the accounts?

Tunnels and light seen during unconsciousness are not evidence that God exists.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: kongs
Yeah I know I have thought about this a lot and I consider myself a believer in a god (90% of the time), but I have recently started to think that their isn't an afterlife. I believe there is a god ruling over all, but that when our time in his domain is over....it's over.

how can you believe in god but none of the stuff that goes with it?

Because there is more to religion and spirituality than a prepackaged set of beliefs sold to you?

Like what, exactly?

 

[cyclohexane]

reincarnation, my next life I want to be a tree

 

[TheRyuu]

A simple way to answer the question is "I hope you like surprises!"

But with all seriousness, I guess one will have to "wait till death" in order to answer the "ultimate" question.

Maby one day scientists will discover something about death, but I don't think it will happen in the near future. Who knows, maby we get sent off to some 23445th demension!?

 

[Cuda1447]

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

First of all. You don't know that no person could possibly know. (Although I agree, it is highly unlikely to know for sure).

Secondly, define 'good'? If by good you mean finding a result, then probably not going to do any good. But there are other reasons to ponder morality/existence/other things. If not why do you think many great minds spent the entire lives in search of these answers.



No offense Nik, but I tend to think some of the worlds most reknown philosphers might have have a better clue than you. So do us all a favor, and stfu with your 'I know everything' type of posts. Mmk?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gravity
Yes there is. No one has pierced the veil of death and returned except Christ. Well, let me take that back, there have been some NDE or near death experiences.

You might find this one helpful Howard Storm's story.

Personally I think we are eternal beings and will go on after death.

Good luck on your search.

Gravity

This is flamebait/a joke, right?

Certainly no worse than your post...

Great point. However, mine was based on observable, testable scientific fact whereas his was based upon speculation and massively questionable ideas that many educated and open-minded people consider complete myth. A minor difference, for sure, but I feel it's important.

There was ZERO observable, testable scientific fact in your previous post just FYI.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

First of all. You don't know that no person could possibly know. (Although I agree, it is highly unlikely to know for sure).

Secondly, define 'good'? If by good you mean finding a result, then probably not going to do any good. But there are other reasons to ponder morality/existence/other things. If not why do you think many great minds spent the entire lives in search of these answers.



No offense Nik, but I tend to think some of the worlds most reknown philosphers might have have a better clue than you. So do us all a favor, and stfu with your 'I know everything' type of posts. Mmk?

I tend to agree. There is a HUGE difference in meaning between "we do not know something" and "we can never know something". Too many people assume the latter in too many cases.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: swtethan
ponder when youre dead, live now

Only problem with your theory is if it happens that there is one.

 

[CHfan4ever]

More porn

 

[Beige]

Yes there is...life after death. What you do now will decide how and where you will spend it.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Beige
Yes there is...life after death. What you do now will decide how and where you will spend it.

Proof? Evidence?

Or are you just talking out your ass based on some religion your parents indoctrinated you with or you converted to?

 

[ranmaniac]

There's a classical law in physics: matter is neither created or destroyed.

 

[destrekor]

i think we all just hitch a ride on a zepher when we die. u know, those boeing-747 space planes? tom cruise was apparently brought to earth on one, at least according to his scientology bs.

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

There's a classical law in physics: matter is neither created or destroyed.

so what are you saying, 'life', the collectiveness of all the impulses in our brains, is matter? our bodies are not destroyed... they become food and nutrients for the ground one day... so nothing is being created or destroyed
the only thing, there has to be something really weird.. too many damn questions

...

i hope there is something after death, none of that fancy heaven bullsh|t, but something. mostly just so i have a better chance at having all the nagging questions of mine finally answered. what the hell started the universe. the big bang, sure... but how many big-bangs have there been up till this point? one theory suggests the universe keeps expanding, and shrinking, and expanding... many big bangs and many big crunches.... what sparked it to begin with?
is there a forcefield at the end of the universe? a sign? a border-patrol security force?

if there is a god, he sure is one nasty bastard... how i loathe him... he's like a totalitarian leader. heh
but seriously, i believe in the idea that 'life'/'thoughts' will evolve to become a collective mass, or a 'force' that just exists... i actually believe there may not be a god as we know it today, but there might exist an entity that all past intelligence composes... like, when our race evolves to the point of a collective intelligence, and finally dies... our intelligence will be added to the entity, or create a whole new entity. maybe we'll be handed our own universe-playground to, well.. play around with. lol

who really knows.. too much to think about, and i'll just leave the serious thinking to the philosophers.
btw, read this article
i dont necessarily believe it actually happened, but the guy is a philosopher or something, so it may just be his intelligence and creativity that made up the article
http://www.fullmoon.nu/articles/art.php?id=tal
its a really good read, kinda makes you think a bit

im a full-fledged athiest, but more or less in the sense of anti-religion
and im not agnostic and think that there really is a 'god', but i do believe there is more out there than science could ever hope to answer and that our species really will either die off, or mature and find a way to unite