Existence after death?

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: ranmaniac

There's a classical law in physics: matter is neither created or destroyed.

????

I don't get it. You mean we rot in the ground? Decomposition is not destroying matter so (i have to idea if you're implying this) basically matter is not destroyed.

I fail to see how that has to do with life after death.
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We can argue till the apocolyps (<-spelling??), some people will be your typical aetheists, others will insist (Christians) that there is life after death and they believe that because of their religion or some book (Bible). Then there will be your "reincarnation" people. There will also be your rot in the ground people, and your radical (Terrorists) fight for god people, and so on.

You can belive what you want, after all it is your opionion, and I respect that. But it does not change the fact the everybody REALLY DOESN'T KNOW A DAM THING about life after death. EVERYTHING we imply is based on religion or some book (Bible). I really don't consider that to be proof.

Anyway, thats my $.02

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gravity
Yes there is. No one has pierced the veil of death and returned except Christ. Well, let me take that back, there have been some NDE or near death experiences.

You might find this one helpful Howard Storm's story.

Personally I think we are eternal beings and will go on after death.

Good luck on your search.

Gravity

This is flamebait/a joke, right?

Certainly no worse than your post...

Great point. However, mine was based on observable, testable scientific fact whereas his was based upon speculation and massively questionable ideas that many educated and open-minded people consider complete myth. A minor difference, for sure, but I feel it's important.

There was ZERO observable, testable scientific fact in your previous post just FYI.

Actually, there is proof, he was wrong. IMO. The story of Fatima (early 1900's) is a story that helped change my life. Mary has been back to earth a handful of times.

Beginner's reading Text.
I recommend a book entitled, "Meet the Witnesses" circa 1960's, for more info.

 

[Locut0s]

Nope nothing. When you die it's like turning a light off, you're just gone. As an atheist I take comfort in that.

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: Locut0s
Nope nothing. When you die it's like turning a light off, you're just gone. As an atheist I take comfort in that.

:thumbsup: (can you guess I'm almost atheist? )

 

[TheRyuu]

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gravity
Yes there is. No one has pierced the veil of death and returned except Christ. Well, let me take that back, there have been some NDE or near death experiences.

You might find this one helpful Howard Storm's story.

Personally I think we are eternal beings and will go on after death.

Good luck on your search.

Gravity

This is flamebait/a joke, right?

Certainly no worse than your post...

Great point. However, mine was based on observable, testable scientific fact whereas his was based upon speculation and massively questionable ideas that many educated and open-minded people consider complete myth. A minor difference, for sure, but I feel it's important.

There was ZERO observable, testable scientific fact in your previous post just FYI.

Actually, there is proof, he was wrong. IMO. The story of Fatima (early 1900's) is a story that helped change my life. Mary has been back to earth a handful of times.

Beginner's reading Text.
I recommend a book entitled, "Meet the Witnesses" circa 1960's, for more info.

Prove the book is true, prove it was really here back a handful of times, and not just some coincidense.

And trust me YOU CAN'T. It would probably (yes I said probably) be impossible.

 

[flexy]

two interesting bits of food for thought:

() yes, it's true death might be likely to how it was "before you were born". There was no life PRE-birth.


() but then.....you/i were born 'all of a sudden' out of nothing...circumstances happened and YOU were born.

---> what speaks AGAINST that, if you die, a while after, the same process happens again ?

 

[Baked]

No, when you're dead, you're dead. There no after life BS experience, no heaven or hell, no god or devil, no long light tunnel or fire pit. Stories you've heard from people who had these experiences were brainwashed by cult leaders who pass around crack laced kool-aid. And no, you don't have a soul either. Everything you see or hear are nothing more than imagination created by your jumble size over zealous human brain.

An for the record, I've died once, after a major traffic accident. I don't even remember the accident. Everything was blank until I woke up a week later. It was the most comforting experience I've had in my life. Why the hell did those damn doctors bring me back to life?

 

[PHiuR]

believe in God, that is your only answer.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: wizboy11

Originally posted by: bamacre

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gravity
Yes there is. No one has pierced the veil of death and returned except Christ. Well, let me take that back, there have been some NDE or near death experiences.

You might find this one helpful Howard Storm's story.

Personally I think we are eternal beings and will go on after death.

Good luck on your search.

Gravity

This is flamebait/a joke, right?

Certainly no worse than your post...

Great point. However, mine was based on observable, testable scientific fact whereas his was based upon speculation and massively questionable ideas that many educated and open-minded people consider complete myth. A minor difference, for sure, but I feel it's important.

There was ZERO observable, testable scientific fact in your previous post just FYI.

Actually, there is proof, he was wrong. IMO. The story of Fatima (early 1900's) is a story that helped change my life. Mary has been back to earth a handful of times.

Beginner's reading Text.
I recommend a book entitled, "Meet the Witnesses" circa 1960's, for more info.

Prove the book is true, prove it was really here back a handful of times, and not just some coincidense.

And trust me YOU CAN'T. It would probably (yes I said probably) be impossible.

How do you define "concidence?"

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

First of all. You don't know that no person could possibly know. (Although I agree, it is highly unlikely to know for sure).

Secondly, define 'good'? If by good you mean finding a result, then probably not going to do any good. But there are other reasons to ponder morality/existence/other things. If not why do you think many great minds spent the entire lives in search of these answers.



No offense Nik, but I tend to think some of the worlds most reknown philosphers might have have a better clue than you. So do us all a favor, and stfu with your 'I know everything' type of posts. Mmk?

You can ponder all you want. You can pretend to philosophize until you're blue in the face. However, my "I know everything" type of posts? I'm not the one arguing because I don't agree with someone else's opinion on a matter such as life after death. :roll:

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

First of all. You don't know that no person could possibly know. (Although I agree, it is highly unlikely to know for sure).

Secondly, define 'good'? If by good you mean finding a result, then probably not going to do any good. But there are other reasons to ponder morality/existence/other things. If not why do you think many great minds spent the entire lives in search of these answers.



No offense Nik, but I tend to think some of the worlds most reknown philosphers might have have a better clue than you. So do us all a favor, and stfu with your 'I know everything' type of posts. Mmk?

You can ponder all you want. You can pretend to philosophize until you're blue in the face. However, my "I know everything" type of posts? I'm not the one arguing because I don't agree with someone else's opinion on a matter such as life after death. :roll:

"No living person can ever possibly know..."

How do you know this? Who is to say that someone won't figure out someday what exactly happens to consciousness after death?

 

[loic2003]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: loic2003

Originally posted by: Gravity
Yes there is. No one has pierced the veil of death and returned except Christ. Well, let me take that back, there have been some NDE or near death experiences.

You might find this one helpful Howard Storm's story.

Personally I think we are eternal beings and will go on after death.

Good luck on your search.

Gravity

This is flamebait/a joke, right?

Certainly no worse than your post...

Great point. However, mine was based on observable, testable scientific fact whereas his was based upon speculation and massively questionable ideas that many educated and open-minded people consider complete myth. A minor difference, for sure, but I feel it's important.

There was ZERO observable, testable scientific fact in your previous post just FYI.

Really? lets take a quick look at it:

you die and rot. It's like before you were born.... remember that? no? exactly. You don't float to some magic land, or are reborn... your brain stops functioning and you have no further thoughts or feelings. That's why you should lead a productive life and not waste it praying, fighting or any other activity that generally detracts from a useful life.

You die and rot... pretty testable, that one... just use your nose.
Your brain stops functioning and you have no further thoughts or feelings: Grab yourself a corpse and do a brain activity scan on it. You'll find there is infact no mental activity ie no thoughts and if you prod it, it won't respond ie no feelngs... pretty easily testible IMO. Not really sure from where your thought came from, I fear it may have formed rectally...

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

First of all. You don't know that no person could possibly know. (Although I agree, it is highly unlikely to know for sure).

Secondly, define 'good'? If by good you mean finding a result, then probably not going to do any good. But there are other reasons to ponder morality/existence/other things. If not why do you think many great minds spent the entire lives in search of these answers.



No offense Nik, but I tend to think some of the worlds most reknown philosphers might have have a better clue than you. So do us all a favor, and stfu with your 'I know everything' type of posts. Mmk?

You can ponder all you want. You can pretend to philosophize until you're blue in the face. However, my "I know everything" type of posts? I'm not the one arguing because I don't agree with someone else's opinion on a matter such as life after death. :roll:

"No living person can ever possibly know..."

How do you know this? Who is to say that someone won't figure out someday what exactly happens to consciousness after death?

Because I don't believe that people can come back from the dead. I mean, sure there's people who "die" on the opperating table for a few minutes, but I don't think that's death. I believe that each person's days are numbered and that you won't die until it's your time. If it's your time, then you'll go regardless of where you are or what you're doing. Until that moment, I don't believe it's possible to die.

Therefore, I don't believe in that whole "I died for a few minutes and saw heaven" bullshit.

 

[TheRyuu]

I was just thinking, what if were all wrong?

Just a though, and just putting that out there.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: wizboy11
I was just thinking, what if were all wrong?

Just a though, and just putting that out there.

Yeah, the only people who ask that question are the ones intending to wave religion around later in the conversation. It's a setup question.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Cuda1447

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

First of all. You don't know that no person could possibly know. (Although I agree, it is highly unlikely to know for sure).

Secondly, define 'good'? If by good you mean finding a result, then probably not going to do any good. But there are other reasons to ponder morality/existence/other things. If not why do you think many great minds spent the entire lives in search of these answers.



No offense Nik, but I tend to think some of the worlds most reknown philosphers might have have a better clue than you. So do us all a favor, and stfu with your 'I know everything' type of posts. Mmk?

You can ponder all you want. You can pretend to philosophize until you're blue in the face. However, my "I know everything" type of posts? I'm not the one arguing because I don't agree with someone else's opinion on a matter such as life after death. :roll:

"No living person can ever possibly know..."

How do you know this? Who is to say that someone won't figure out someday what exactly happens to consciousness after death?

Because I don't believe that people can come back from the dead. I mean, sure there's people who "die" on the opperating table for a few minutes, but I don't think that's death. I believe that each person's days are numbered and that you won't die until it's your time. If it's your time, then you'll go regardless of where you are or what you're doing. Until that moment, I don't believe it's possible to die.

Therefore, I don't believe in that whole "I died for a few minutes and saw heaven" bullshit.

I'm with you in that regard. I do not believe that people currently come back from the dead (if they did, there would be some real evidence of this, rather than merely fanciful stories). I also agree that operating table experiences are not valid evidence.

I am thinking more along the lines of Peter F. Hamilton's The Reality Dysfunction books, where a doorway is opened such that the "essence" or whatever of those who are dead can possess the living, to catastrophic result.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loic2003
Really? lets take a quick look at it:

you die and rot. It's like before you were born.... remember that? no? exactly. You don't float to some magic land, or are reborn... your brain stops functioning and you have no further thoughts or feelings. That's why you should lead a productive life and not waste it praying, fighting or any other activity that generally detracts from a useful life.

You die and rot... pretty testable, that one... just use your nose.
Your brain stops functioning and you have no further thoughts or feelings: Grab yourself a corpse and do a brain activity scan on it. You'll find there is infact no mental activity ie no thoughts and if you prod it, it won't respond ie no feelngs... pretty easily testible IMO. Not really sure from where your thought came from, I fear it may have formed rectally...

You're an idiot and a bigot. Kindly don't abuse science for your petty prejudices. Can you test that "you don't float to some magic land, or are reborn"? No. Can you observe it? No. Can you name one war actually caused by religion? No. Most of the charities and half the schools in the world are operated by religions and you say that isn't productive? STFU. I don't care much for religion but I do care that science isn't abused and turned into a religion itself by bigoted idiots like you.

 

[engineereeyore]

Proving that life exist after death is impossible. Proving that life does not exist after death is equally impossible. It's not something you can or can not prove. You either believe it based on experiences in you life and the testimony of others, or you don't. You can't criticize the belief in life after death due to lack of evidence because there is the same lack of evidence that life doesn't continue after death.

Personally, I believe in life after death. Gives meaning and purpose to life, as well as the knowledge that I can and will be with my loved ones again. If I'm wrong, so what? At least I was able to enjoy the belief here on Earth. If I'm correct, then I'm prepared for what is to come. If it brings you greater comfort to believe that there is no life after death, more power to you. That's your belief and you're welcome to it. But just remember, it is your belief, backed up by absolutely no provable evidence.

 

[AdamSnow]

Originally posted by: Nik
No living person can ever possibly know so what good does it do to ponder?

 

[IGBT]

..as much as I would like the bible and other things to be true..I doubt it all. We're all part of some kind of grand recycling project but we don't know who the administrator is.

 

[Grimner]

After my bit of pondering (know how you feel), I land on the following:

1) The evidence for an afterlife is thin to non-existent.

I enjoy religious writings, but I cannot help but take them with a huge grain of salt once they take off into the wild blue. Also, I think it is wrong to forget the time and conditions they where written in. How nice for any ruler to be able to threaten with hell or tempt with paradise.

As for near-death experiences - yes, some of them are erie, but given what my own brain is capable of even under normal conditions, I would not put it past it (or rather me - lol), to come up with some strange stuff once death is near.

2) There is a lot of people hoping for something - anything! And I can't blame them for hoping
I would not mind waking up from this dream somewhere else, but for the moment it's best just to roll with it.

But so far Monthy Phyton has the last laugh: "(Always look at the bright side of life...) You came from nothing, you go to nothing. So what have you lost? Nothing!" (any errors are mine).
From zero to zero - what is between is up to you. Enjoy it and try to do your best. For some silly reason I find this more comforting than meeting St. Peter on Judgement day or any eternal wheel of life (other than joining the compost .

What sort of standards you set for the game is up to you, but let me hasten to say that I don't think the value for that is zero as well. It is good to consider your fellow players. But that is probably another thread, another life

 

[tec699]

I don't know and mabe we will never know.

 

[tec699]

Originally posted by: tec699

I don't wanna die.

 

[MustangSVT]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
I'm sure Tom Cruise will know

he paid for that knowledge

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: MustangSVT

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
I'm sure Tom Cruise will know

he paid for that knowledge

E meters know all.