Expect "rage" and "terror," psychologists warn

[MtnMan]

I think that most of us, basically anyone not a member of the Trump cult, recognize that Trump is seriously mentally unstable, that would take a whole library of psychology textbooks to cover his many issues.

I've expect, and have posted my predictions that Trump is going to lose his shit when he loses, and that his reaction will be to strike out at basically the world in his rage. I also expect that there will be a hostile transition, if and that's a big IF he actually willingly leaves office on January 20. This is all just my opinion, based on life and dealing with all sorts of people in business over decades.

Seems that 'the professionals' agree, and basically see a scorched earth aftermath of his loss.

What happens when a narcissist loses?

Salon spoke to psychologists about how a malignant narcissistic personality would react to a devastating blow to their ego like an election loss

www.salon.com

 

[Ken g6]

I read the full article. They didn't mention nukes. As long as "scorched earth" isn't literal, we'll probably be OK.

 

[compcons]

The good news is that this administration is so terribly incompetent, they offer nothing of value so a transition is not necessary. The new teams can just be like "Just get you shit and get out. We have to start from scratch."

 

[MtnMan]

I read the full article. They didn't mention nukes. As long as "scorched earth" isn't literal, we'll probably be OK.

If he is not stopped, perhaps by the 25th, there won't be a functional government as we know it by 1/20. He is making his preparations already, recently signing an EO giving agency heads the power to hire and fire at will. Agency heads whom he owns as they are his appointees. Look at the damage DeJoy has accomplished without this to the USPS.

He doesn't need nukes to leave scorched earth in his wake.

 

[dawp]

I read the full article. They didn't mention nukes. As long as "scorched earth" isn't literal, we'll probably be OK.

I would hope even if he did order such a thing the military would ignore such an order.

 

[sportage]

Trump has plans. Trump will stop the voting and the vote counting long before he loses. The fix is in. The counting will stop in the states where Trump is ahead, and the courts will stop the counting where Trump is losing thus handling a victory to Donald Trump as “outcome can not be determined by the ballots“. Either way, Donald Trump will simply claim victory by ignoring the numbers, and to do that Trump must first delegitimize the vote. We’ve never seen this before, well.... not in America. Where an election is stolen right before our eyes and there is nothing anyone can do. The cops won’t help us, the military won’t help us, the court’s won’t help us, screaming and rioting won’t help us. Donald Trump actually believes that Americans should wake up the next day and accept Donald Trump as their legitimate elected president. Think about it... Trump claims the pandemic has ended, claims a cure for the virus, claims he has done more for blacks than Abe Lincoln, and Donald Trump will have no problem with claiming victory despite the reality of the facts. Trump does this all the time, this will be nothing new. Not for Donald Trump.

 

[trenchfoot]

That article may be alarmist in some respects, yet there are too many logically ascertainable aspects of the article so as to make it impossible to outright deny the outcomes it speaks to.

Anything's possible with Trump, especially when considering his habit of ignoring the Rule of Law and those other "restrictions" that keeps him from becoming the outright authoritarian he has to be in order to force things to go the way his twisted dysfunctional personality disorders tell him to.

He has fashioned his administration into a sycophantic nightmare where he can feel comfortable in knowing that his demands for being admired and unquestionably right on whatever his demented mind comes up with are met with devout loyalty and agreement. His insecurities are like a banshee that keeps chasing him, keeps him paranoid thinking about what happens when it finally catches up with him.

The true nightmare though is that there are millions of folks out there that think Trump is one hell of a president and worthy of being given another term to, you know.....

 

[Starbuck1975]

Salon is very concerned. Trump will be too preoccupied with plans to flee the country, and even he tries something drastic, it will be snuffed out.

 

[Muse]

Trump riffs off the daily news. If people want him to step aside, he'll do that. If there's enough people wanting him to tantrum, he'll do that. A lot depends on others, not just him.

 

[K1052]

He's going to blame everyone but himself and then go to Mar A Lago.

 

[fskimospy]

He's going to blame everyone but himself and then go to Mar A Lago.

If he loses big I imagine he will do something like that, but will also mix in mass pardons and mass document destruction.

 

[K1052]

If he loses big I imagine he will do something like that, but will also mix in mass pardons and mass document destruction.

I think surprisingly few people will get pardons if this happens. There is nothing in it for him. Like besides Charles Kushner I can't think of many people with the juice to get them. There is a potential for some outright bribery though.

 

[fskimospy]

I think surprisingly few people will get pardons if this happens. There is nothing in it for him. Like besides Charles Kushner I can't think of many people with the juice to get them. There is a potential for some outright bribery though.

I bet you he pardons every single member of his family and probably any senior official who asks him.

 

[K1052]

I bet you he pardons every single member of his family and probably any senior official who asks him.

Family probably. The people he's already used up who worked for him? Meh..I doubt it.

 

[thraashman]

My worry is that they'll do what they've hinted at and when they lose the popular vote and electoral college, that in states where Republicans have enough power they'll just replace the electors and have them vote against what the people chose. If that happens, the riots that have arisen out of protests we've seen this year will be nothing. I expect entire cities to be burned down to the ground.

 

[Ken g6]

I would hope even if he did order such a thing the military would ignore such an order.

I didn't say he'd be nuking the USA. He might attack another country, a legitimate military order, which could lead to some other country attacking us.

 

[soulcougher73]

I bet you he pardons every single member of his family and probably any senior official who asks him.

I still cannot believe we allow anyone to have this kind of power. Just reeks of abuse.

 

[Leymenaide]

There will be danger if the election is close. If a coup is attempted it will take a lot of coordination . Trump is mostly a bully that everyone has been afraid to punch in the nose. If Biden wins PA and either NC or FL he will not fight it. His far right handlers will do as much damage over the next 90 days as they can imagine but the nightmare will then be over.

 

[trenchfoot]

I still cannot believe we allow anyone to have this kind of power. Just reeks of abuse.

In Donald Trump's hands, that power he wields is going to be used in a very transactional kind of way. Whoever he blesses those pardons with will of course have something of value to him that he expects in return. He'll use that pardon power to cover his ass, to enrich himself, keep himself and his spoiled brat children out of jail, strike back at his perceived enemies and throw some around as a "fvck you all for hating me, here's some more reasons to feel that way. Nyah nyah,neener neener, I win, you lose."

 

[Indus]

Salon is very concerned. Trump will be too preoccupied with plans to flee the country, and even he tries something drastic, it will be snuffed out.

You sir are way more optimistic than I am. I have a feeling we're about to get a moment very soon that shocks us since it is a Catch 22 Presidency where we are acknowleding a shock and do the unthinkable President and everytime we move the line, oh that's ok, he's not gonna do this.. then he does it and we go into a catch 22 again and again and again and again and again and again ^ who knows how many times.

 

[Moonbeam]

I still cannot believe we allow anyone to have this kind of power. Just reeks of abuse.

Of course we didn't. In order to understand and realize this has always been where we are heading you would have to understand the narcissistic personality and that it is based on the inability to love yourself. We think of the narcissistic personality as something that exists out there in the worst cases where these traits are in open desplay, and then apparently, given the way people vote, only to trained psychologists, but the fact as I see it is that this personality type is universal because of the underlying condition. We have all been taught to hate ourselves. It is how we exert control over our children by punishing them for their selfishness rather than helping it to flourish to include all those around as well. The flowering of love changes the I to Thou. Real self respect is the concern for others.

 

[Lanyap]

The good news is that this administration is so terribly incompetent, they offer nothing of value so a transition is not necessary. The new teams can just be like "Just get you shit and get out. We have to start from scratch."

If Biden wins he and Harris are going to be very busy between November and January planning to throw out all the Trump Trash and maybe they'll get lucky and be able to get back the people who knew their job that Donald threw out when he took over.

Donald's niece, Mary, who is also a psychologist, predicts the same things described in the article. Of course, Donald says Mary doesn't know anything about him or the family.

Mary L. Trump - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Conflicts within the Trump family[edit]
See also: Family of Donald Trump
When Fred Trump Sr. died in 1999 from Alzheimer's disease, Mary and her brother Fred III contested their grandfather's will.[5][21][22] Fred Sr.'s will left the bulk of his estate, in equal shares, to his children.[21][23] His grandchildren were each left $200,000. When Mary's father predeceased him, Fred Sr.'s lawyers had recommended amending his will, to leave Mary and her brother, Fred III, larger shares than the grandchildren with living parents. They anticipated Fred Sr.'s will would be challenged if it were not amended by descendants who would argue his intent was that each child would eventually leave a portion of his or her share of the estate to his or her own descendants.

Shortly after Fred Sr.'s death, Mary's sister-in-law gave birth to a son with a rare and debilitating medical condition—one that would require a lifetime of very expensive medical care.[21] Fred Sr. had established a foundation that paid the medical expenses of his family. After Mary and Fred III had filed suit against Donald Trump and two of his three living siblings,[24] Mary and Fred III were advised that the medical foundation would no longer pay for their medical expenses. The lawsuit was settled in 2001.[24] The final settlement of the dispute over sharing Fred Sr.'s estate did not award them the share their father would have inherited, if he had been alive when Fred Sr. died. It did restore coverage of their family's medical expenses.

The 2019 Pulitzer Prize in Investigative Reporting was awarded to David Barstow, Susanne Craig and Russ Buettner of The New York Times for "an exhaustive 18-month investigation of Donald Trump's finances that debunked his statements of self-made wealth and revealed a business empire riddled with tax dodges."[25] Mary was reportedly a key source of information for that study,[23] having come into possession of Donald's tax documents during the discovery process in the dispute over her grandfather's estate.[26]

Upon the announcement of Mary's book Too Much and Never Enough in June 2020, her uncle Robert Trump attempted to block its release, stating that she signed a non-disclosure agreement during the 1999 lawsuit.[27][5][21] The filing of a temporary restraining order against Mary was dismissed by a New York court for a lack of jurisdiction, and the book was published on July 14, 2020.[28][13]

 

[Starbuck1975]

You sir are way more optimistic than I am. I have a feeling we're about to get a moment very soon that shocks us since it is a Catch 22 Presidency where we are acknowleding a shock and do the unthinkable President and everytime we move the line, oh that's ok, he's not gonna do this.. then he does it and we go into a catch 22 again and again and again and again and again and again ^ who knows how many times.

Militias, while they have the potential to engage in terrorism, are also still very much a fringe and I think a more likely scenario is that without a President to validate them, they will revert back to their pre-Trump patterns of behavior.

 

[hal2kilo]

I think that most of us, basically anyone not a member of the Trump cult, recognize that Trump is seriously mentally unstable, that would take a whole library of psychology textbooks to cover his many issues.

I've expect, and have posted my predictions that Trump is going to lose his shit when he loses, and that his reaction will be to strike out at basically the world in his rage. I also expect that there will be a hostile transition, if and that's a big IF he actually willingly leaves office on January 20. This is all just my opinion, based on life and dealing with all sorts of people in business over decades.

Seems that 'the professionals' agree, and basically see a scorched earth aftermath of his loss.

What happens when a narcissist loses?

Salon spoke to psychologists about how a malignant narcissistic personality would react to a devastating blow to their ego like an election loss

www.salon.com

I really hope someone has taken the football away from him at this point.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's Trump. He's holding stimulus funds hostage to his re-election. Kiss that good-bye. He'll wreak revenge on the federal bureaucracy & as many enemies as possible, real & imagined. He'll scorch the earth in every way he can on his way out. He's already doing it wrt the pandemic, rallying all over the Country. If he wins, he'll happily rule over the ashes.