Experts Debate Labeling Fat Children Obese

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Experts Debate Labeling Children Obese
By LINDSEY TANNER
AP
CHICAGO (July 3) - Is it OK for doctors and parents to tell children and teens they're fat?

That seems to be at the heart of a debate over whether to replace the fuzzy language favored by the U.S. government with the painful truth - telling kids if they're obese or overweight.

Labeling a child obese might "run the risk of making them angry, making the family angry," but it addresses a serious issue head-on, said Dr. Reginald Washington, a Denver pediatrician and co-chair of an American Academy of Pediatrics obesity task force.

"If that same person came into your office and had cancer, or was anemic, or had an ear infection, would we be having the same conversation? There are a thousand reasons why this obesity epidemic is so out of control, and one of them is no one wants to talk about it."

The diplomatic approach adopted by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and used by many doctors avoids the word "obese" because of the stigma. The CDC also calls overweight kids "at risk of overweight."

Those favoring a change say the current terms encourage denial of a problem affecting increasing numbers of U.S. youngsters.

Under a proposal studied by a committee of the American Medical Association, the CDC and others, fat children would get the same labels as adults - overweight or obese.

The change "would certainly make sense. It would bring the U.S. in line with the rest of the world," said Tim Cole, a professor of medical statistics at the University College London's Institute of Child Health.

The existing categories are convoluted and "rather ironic, since the U.S. leads the world in terms of obesity," Cole said. "There must be an element of political correctness."

The debate illustrates just how touchy the nation is about its weight problem.

Obese "sounds mean. It doesn't sound good," said Trisha Leu, 17, who thinks the proposed change is a bad idea.

The Wheeling, Ill., teen has lost 60 pounds since March as part of an adolescent obesity surgery study at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

"When you're young, you don't understand what obese means," Leu said. "I still don't understand it."

The CDC adopted the current terms in 1998, using weight-to-height ratios and growth charts from a generation of children much slimmer than today's.

Children are said to be "at risk for overweight" if their body-mass index is between the 85th and 94th percentiles. They're "overweight" if their body-mass index is in the 95th percentile or higher - or greater than at least 95 percent of youngsters the same age and gender.

Many pediatricians understand the first category to mean "overweight" and the second one to mean "obese," said the CDC's Dr. William Dietz. He said the word "obese" was purposely avoided because of negative connotations but conceded that many pediatricians find the current language confusing.

Adding to the confusion is the fact that about 17 percent of U.S. children are in the highest category, and that almost 34 percent are in the second-highest category. That sounds like a mathematical impossibility, but it's because the percentiles are based on growth charts from the 1960s and 1970s, when far fewer kids were too fat.

In children, determining excess weight is tricky, partly because of rapid growth - especially in adolescence - that can sometimes temporarily result in a high body-mass index.

For children in at least the 95th percentile, high BMI "is almost invariably excess fat," Dietz said. But there's less certainty about those in the second-highest category. So to avoid mislabeling and "traumatizing" kids, the CDC chose to be diplomatic, Dietz said.

The committee, set up by the American Medical Association, involves obesity experts from 14 professional organizations including the American Academy of Pediatrics. Their mission is to update recommendations for prevention, diagnosis and management of obesity in children.

Final recommendations are expected in September, and the participating groups will decide individually whether to adopt them.

Dr. Ronald Davis, the AMA's president-elect, said it's unclear whether the expert committee can develop a consensus on the obesity terms.

"There are seemingly legitimate arguments on both sides," said Davis, a preventive medicine specialist with Henry Ford Health Systems in Detroit.

Maria Bailey of Pompano Beach, Fla., whose 12-year-old daughter, Madison, is self-consciously overweight, opposes the proposed change. She said their pediatrician has told her daughter to exercise more and see a nutritionist, but "hasn't told her that she's in a (weight) category."

"We're already raising a generation of teenagers who have eating disorders," Bailey said. "I think it would just perpetuate that."

Paola Fernandez Rana of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., has a 9-year old daughter who at 40 pounds overweight is considered obese. Rana said doctors "refer to it as the 'o-word' " in front of her daughter "in an effort not to upset her."

"They very clearly told me she was obese," Rana said. But she said she agreed with the term and thinks that at some point it should be used with her daughter, too.

"Obviously I don't want my daughter to be overweight, but ... in order to change the situation, she is ultimately going to need to hear it," Rana said.

Dr. Michael Wasserman, a pediatrician with the Ochsner Clinic in Metairie, La., agreed. Using the term "at risk for overweight" is misleading, creating the perception "that I'm only at risk for it now, so I don't have to deal with it now," said Wasserman, who is not on the committee.

"There's a tremendous amount of denial by parents and children," he said.

Chicago pediatrician Rebecca Unger, also not a committee member, said she likes using the term "at risk for overweight" because it gives patients hope that "we can do something about it."
 

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Breaking News: The Mayor of Philurbia, Phil, declares that all fat people shall be henceforth referred to as "Lardy Fat Fvck McFat Masters". The writer included.
 

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Heavy teddy bears? yes...thats right...
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/06/29/heavy.teddy.ap/index.html

Is a heavier teddy a good idea?
Weighted toys could help kids burn more calories, researchers say



INDIANAPOLIS, Indiana (AP) -- Doctors and health advocates have warned for years that American children are getting fatter. Now even some kids' teddy bears are packing on the pounds.

But these heavy toys aim to combat obesity, not add to it.

Researchers at Indiana State University in Terre Haute tried a small experiment to test the effects of having kids play with heavier toys. They found that 10 children ages 6 to 8 burned more calories and had higher heart and breathing rates when they moved 3-pound toy blocks instead of unweighted blocks.

So could adding a small weight to stuffed animals and other toys help kids get fit?

"This is not going to solve the obesity problem," said John Ozmun, a professor who did the study with graduate student Lee Robbins. "But it has a potential to make a positive contribution."

Some experts caution that children could hurt themselves trying to lift too much too soon and said more activity is preferable to heavier toys. But all agree childhood obesity is a big problem.

Obesity rates have tripled over the past 40 years for children and adolescents, raising the risk of diabetes and other health problems. Federal health officials say more than a third of American children are overweight; about 17 percent are considered obese.

Squeezing activity into daily routines can be a good way for children to get more exercise and shed unhealthy pounds, said Alicia Moag-Stahlberg, who heads Action for Healthy Kids, an organization that works with schools.

"By adding weights, you're adding some intensity to the action," she said.

Kara Tucker, youth development coordinator for the National Institute for Fitness and Sport in Indianapolis, said active playing helps youngsters work out without realizing it.

Tucker leads groups of children through several fitness stations at the institute, including inflatable obstacle courses, an oversized soccer game and a moving rock-climbing simulator called a "Treadwall."

"Giant soccer is one of my favorites," Tucker said. "If we told the kids, 'Hey, you're going to run up and down the court 20 times,' they would completely be uninterested. Yet when we put a big soccer ball out there, they will just run forever. They're having a great time."

Weighted toys might be another way to sneak in exercise, but not everyone thinks a 3-pound stuffed animal sounds like fun.

Rambunctious kids could throw heavy toys at playmates, said Celia Kibler, president of Funfit, a family fitness club in Maryland. Kibler also fears children could hurt themselves if they lift too much weight before their bodies are fully developed.

"I think that can be more dangerous than beneficial," she said. "There's so much activity that a child can do that can keep them in shape without the use of weights. That's what they should be concentrating on."

The study's authors stressed that their report is a starting point, and involved only a few children under very controlled circumstances.

Weighted toys in the real world would have to be designed to be safe while holding a child's interest, said Ozmun, acting associate dean of Indiana State's College of Health and Human Performance.

Even though weighted toys might not make it to store shelves anytime soon, they could find a niche in specialty applications. Ozmun said he's working on creating 3-pound stuffed animals for physical therapists to try with their young clients.

"Having a 3-pound teddy bear may not only help with strength, but with balance and coordination," he said.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 

DaShen

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with the people in America nowadays. When did we become so lazy and ultra-sensitive? If you look at any established nation or power, this type of culture shift always has lead to the downfall of that nation of power. Spartans, Macedonians, Romans, French...
 

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More often than not, when I see fat children, I see fat parents.
But that is not necessarily the root of the problem.
The root of the problem is the fact that humankind exploits the weaknesses and desires of other humans. And for what? Money.
We sell out the health and the lives of our own species. It's sick.
This is nothing but a cheap band-aid over a festering wound.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: DaShen
with the people in America nowadays. When did we become so lazy and ultra-sensitive? If you look at any established nation or power, this type of culture shift always has lead to the downfall of that nation of power. Spartans, Macedonians, Romans, French...

You're exactly right.


PS- your post was insensitive and made me cry.
 

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: DaShen
with the people in America nowadays. When did we become so lazy and ultra-sensitive? If you look at any established nation or power, this type of culture shift always has lead to the downfall of that nation of power. Spartans, Macedonians, Romans, French...

You're exactly right.


PS- your post was insensitive and made me cry.

/wrists
 

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Originally posted by: DaShen
with the people in America nowadays. When did we become so lazy and ultra-sensitive? If you look at any established nation or power, this type of culture shift always has lead to the downfall of that nation of power. Spartans, Macedonians, Romans, French...

Just "one" of the signs rearing it's ugly head. QFT.
 

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Bwahahaha.... so much for well-meaning enlightnment...

Not wanting to call fat kids "obese" is just further proof of the wussification of America.

We are far too afraid to tell our children black is black and white is white. There are a lot of kids that go through their whole childhood completely unchallenged.

When I used to teach at a university, a friend of mine who taught freshman English would tell me just how bad at writing some of these so-called "gifted" students were. She would correct them, but they would insist that proper writing and grammar was simply a matter of opinion-- afterall, all of their teachers in high school and junior high told them they were the next coming of Ernest Hemingway or E.E Cummings...
 

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Man fvck their feelings. You are what you are. Changing their label doesnt make them any less obese.
 

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Originally posted by: MathMan

Not wanting to call fat kids "obese" is just further proof of the wussification of America.

We are far too afraid to tell our children black is black and white is white. There are a lot of kids that go through their whole childhood completely unchallenged.


I tend to agree. Same feelings on spanking. Nothing wrong with swatting your childs @ss once in a while, even if it is a f@tass! :shocked:
 

alien42

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unless a child is medically proven to have a genetic obesity proplem i think that the parents of fat kids should be treated just like any other child abuser. they are killing their kids and helping to destroy our medical and insurance system.
 

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Originally posted by: alien42
unless a child is medically proven to have a genetic obesity proplem i think that the parents of fat kids should be treated just like any other child abuser. they are killing their kids and helping to destroy our medical and insurance system.

Uh. Yes, it's called "eating lard".
Genetic obesity... :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: alien42
unless a child is medically proven to have a genetic obesity proplem i think that the parents of fat kids should be treated just like any other child abuser. they are killing their kids and helping to destroy our medical and insurance system.

Uh. Yes, it's called "eating lard".
Genetic obesity... :roll:

There is such a thing as Genetic obesity....

 

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Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: alien42
unless a child is medically proven to have a genetic obesity proplem i think that the parents of fat kids should be treated just like any other child abuser. they are killing their kids and helping to destroy our medical and insurance system.

Uh. Yes, it's called "eating lard".
Genetic obesity... :roll:

There is such a thing as Genetic obesity....

Really.
 

alien42

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Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Phil
Originally posted by: alien42
unless a child is medically proven to have a genetic obesity proplem i think that the parents of fat kids should be treated just like any other child abuser. they are killing their kids and helping to destroy our medical and insurance system.

Uh. Yes, it's called "eating lard".
Genetic obesity... :roll:

There is such a thing as Genetic obesity....

Really.

yes and fat people disgust me as much as they do you but there is a very small percentage of people who are genetically obese and can not do much about it.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: DaShen
with the people in America nowadays. When did we become so lazy and ultra-sensitive? If you look at any established nation or power, this type of culture shift always has lead to the downfall of that nation of power. Spartans, Macedonians, Romans, French...

Spartans? Macedonians? Eh?
 

DaShen

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Great post.

"American parents today expect their children to be perfect?the smartest, fastest, most charming people in the universe. And if they can't get the children to prove it on their own, they'll turn to doctors to make their kids into the people that parents want to believe their kids are."
 
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