Experts Debate Labeling Fat Children Obese

[GuitarDaddy]

Fatty, Fatty fat fat! <nelson>ha, ha<nelson>

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bennylong
Stop using genetic as an excuse. You will never change anything by using excuse.

Actually, by alowing the medical community to focus on genetics, we can find a way to allow everyone to eat when and what they want and never gain much weight, just like the lucky people who do that every day.

Pills and genetic fixed FTL. Keep lazy people lazy is all I am hearing.

ie - If you are in pain, instead of figuring out spending the time fixing the cause of the pain, pop a vicadin. If you are depressed, don't try to work through the issues and deal with it like a human being, start popping pills. If you are obese, and you want to be "healthy" (it isn't a helathy way of thinking that is for sure), just take a magic pill and all your problems go away. It is no wonder so many kids are on EPO and steroids nowadays.

The only way to change the situation is to change the environement or the genetics.

Either way is a fix. You either adapt the environment to the genetics, or adapt the genetics to the environment.

You can keep playing the lazy card all you want. But the plain fact is, most obese people are far from lazy. It's an old, tired stereotype. Most simply cannot control their body's natural urges to store fat for a starvation cycle that will never come... or does come over and over again because of yo-yo dieting.

Natural urges are MUCH harder to overcome than people give credit for. If it wasn't, sexual morality wouldn't be just a pipe dram over the entire course of human history.

It is called having some willpower. I naturally crave fatty decadent food. But I won't eat it all the time. I stopped eating fast food all the time. In college I used to go through $7+ worth of Wendy's food all the time. Guess what after a few months of craving fast food, I stopped craving it. My body adapted, and now I actually don't like fast food all that much.

If you have a lifestyle change. It is very possible to keep the weight off. Sure it takes hard work, but it can be done, without the yo-yo affect. Lifestyle change, not starvation.

Starving yourself on crash diets will automatically create yo-yo affects. Limiting what types of food you eat and the letting your body adjust to less food is totally different. Sure, your stomache and your brain will tell you to eat all the fatty stuff, because that is what it is used to, but once it adjusts, you will find you don't want to go back to low nutrition, high calorie foods.

**EDIT**
BTW. The past month and a half, I had been eating poorly (fatty foods...), my body revolted, and now I am back to the foods that I now eat as a lifestyle change. Within a week, I am back to normal.

 

[Tom]

You know how we get oil from dinosaurs ? Well, it was the fat dinosaurs that gave us the most oil.


How will we replenish our oil supply with skinny people ?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
Is the track runner skinny because he runs, or does he run because he's genetically built for running? Sure, a runner can lose and gain 20 or so lbs, but will someone who was a professional runner ever become obese, no matter how much they let themselves go? In the vast majority of cases, of course not.

So you believe those that are track runners were destined to be track runners, those that are basketball players were destined to be basketball players, and those that are fat were destined to be fat. Why even try? We should all just sit on the couch and wait for our success to hit us.

I'd like to take you up on this challenge of a large % of the population that cannot become obese. Find someone willing to sit in their room and not leave it for the next 7 years. Each day they will consume exactly what one of my relatives consumes on a daily basis and we will see how much weight said individual gains. The most exercise they will do is going to the bathroom.

The highlights of their diet will be macaroni and cheese, pizza, soda, grilled cheese, pasta, chicken nuggets and ice cream.

Edit: Oh and if that diet sounds nasty or unhealthy, realize that these are staples in a kids diet. Especially maccaroni and cheese and grilled cheese. Poorer families buy this stuff by the truckload because pound for pound it is cheap and requires very little effort to prepare.

And it's what we ate as kids... and we were skinny as rails. Skinny people ran in my family. No one in my family for generations gained weight until their 30s. All were beanpoles no matter what lifestyle they had, or what junk they ate... and trust me, we ate a LOT of junk and a LOT of it. Back in the 70s there was very little worry over fat, and fatty foods. My mom fried everything and even saved bacon grease to fry stuff in, just as most depression era cooks did.

Yes, some people ARE genetically inclined to be skinny no matter what they do or eat. Just as some people can become obese living a relatively normal lifestyle and eating just as much as the skinny person does.

To deny a genetic predisposition for obesity is to deny the reality all around you.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Amused
And it's what we ate as kids... and we were skinny as rails. Skinny people ran in my family. No one in my family for generations gained weight until their 30s. All were beanpoles no matter what lifestyle they had, or what junk they ate... and trust me, we ate a LOT of junk and a LOT of it. Back in the 70s there was very little worry over fat, and fatty foods. My mom fried everything and even saved bacon grease to fry stuff in, just as most depression era cooks did.

Yes, some people ARE genetically inclined to be skinny no matter what they do or eat. Just as some people can become obese living a relatively normal lifestyle and eating just as much as the skinny person does.

To deny a genetic predisposition for obesity is to deny the reality all around you.

The genetic predisposition would follow a bell curve with 75% of the population on the normal side if it was predominantly genetics. This is not the case in America. Too many obese people and not enough skinny people to follow a bell curve in genetics. It is mainly lifestyle.

But I will agree with you that what you eat as a kid structures how you eat as an adult. If you eat fast food and unhealthy food as a kid all the time, that will become your staple (craving) food as an adult. I plan to feed healthy food and teach portion control to my kids if I ever have any.

**EDIT**
I had a high school friend that was quite athletic and healthy in high school and college. Apparently, his mom was told by a doctor that he was at risk as a child for being majorly obese. His mom immediately changesd his diet and taught him portion control. She was very strict at it. I saw him a few month ago (we don't talk much anymore), he is still very skinny and athletic.

Also, yes back in the day people ate a lot of fatty foods, but they also did a lot more things outside. They were a lot more active. Riding a bike to your friends house in another neighborhood or riding your bike to the local convenient store wasn't unheard of. Nowadays, kids get rides from parents to the mall where they eat junk food, and then shop. Or they sit at home eating chips while playing games on a computer of console.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: bennylong
Stop using genetic as an excuse. You will never change anything by using excuse.

Actually, by alowing the medical community to focus on genetics, we can find a way to allow everyone to eat when and what they want and never gain much weight, just like the lucky people who do that every day.

Pills and genetic fixed FTL. Keep lazy people lazy is all I am hearing.

ie - If you are in pain, instead of figuring out spending the time fixing the cause of the pain, pop a vicadin. If you are depressed, don't try to work through the issues and deal with it like a human being, start popping pills. If you are obese, and you want to be "healthy" (it isn't a helathy way of thinking that is for sure), just take a magic pill and all your problems go away. It is no wonder so many kids are on EPO and steroids nowadays.

The only way to change the situation is to change the environement or the genetics.

Either way is a fix. You either adapt the environment to the genetics, or adapt the genetics to the environment.

You can keep playing the lazy card all you want. But the plain fact is, most obese people are far from lazy. It's an old, tired stereotype. Most simply cannot control their body's natural urges to store fat for a starvation cycle that will never come... or does come over and over again because of yo-yo dieting.

Natural urges are MUCH harder to overcome than people give credit for. If it wasn't, sexual morality wouldn't be just a pipe dram over the entire course of human history.

It is called having some willpower. I naturally crave fatty decadent food. But I won't eat it all the time. I stopped eating fast food all the time. In college I used to go through $7+ worth of Wendy's food all the time. Guess what after a few months of craving fast food, I stopped craving it. My body adapted, and now I actually don't like fast food all that much.

If you have a lifestyle change. It is very possible to keep the weight off. Sure it takes hard work, but it can be done, without the yo-yo affect. Lifestyle change, not starvation.

Starving yourself on crash diets will automatically create yo-yo affects. Limiting what types of food you eat and the letting your body adjust to less food is totally different. Sure, your stomache and your brain will tell you to eat all the fatty stuff, because that is what it is used to, but once it adjusts, you will find you don't want to go back to low nutrition, high calorie foods.

**EDIT**
BTW. The past month and a half, I had been eating poorly (fatty foods...), my body revolted, and now I am back to the foods that I now eat as a lifestyle change. Within a week, I am back to normal.

Actually, the gravitation towards high fat, high calorie foods is a natural survival response of your body. Craving those foods is what helped keep us alive when we were hunter/gatherers.

Yes, I know will-power is a large part of it. But it's obvious to see after 20 failed years of the obesity epidemic brought on by a changed environment that the vast majority of humans cannot overcome their body's natural uges long term. It's true with sex and it's true with food.

80+% of overweight people cannot lose the weight, or do and cannot keep it off. 80+% fail. That alone means there is more to it than mere willpower and laziness.

Honestly, we will be far more successful if we focus on changing the genetics to fit our environment, as we obviously cannot, on a large scale, change our environment to fit our genetics.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Amused
And it's what we ate as kids... and we were skinny as rails. Skinny people ran in my family. No one in my family for generations gained weight until their 30s. All were beanpoles no matter what lifestyle they had, or what junk they ate... and trust me, we ate a LOT of junk and a LOT of it. Back in the 70s there was very little worry over fat, and fatty foods. My mom fried everything and even saved bacon grease to fry stuff in, just as most depression era cooks did.

Yes, some people ARE genetically inclined to be skinny no matter what they do or eat. Just as some people can become obese living a relatively normal lifestyle and eating just as much as the skinny person does.

To deny a genetic predisposition for obesity is to deny the reality all around you.

The genetic predisposition would follow a bell curve with 75% of the population on the normal side if it was predominantly genetics. This is not the case in America. Too many obese people and not enough skinny people to follow a bell curve in genetics. It is mainly lifestyle.

But I will agree with you that what you eat as a kid structures how you eat as an adult. If you eat fast food and unhealthy food as a kid all the time, that will become your staple (craving) food as an adult. I plan to feed healthy food and teach portion control to my kids if I ever have any.

I think we are confusing overweight, with obese. Sure, there are a lot of people who are moderately overweight today, who would have been thin just 30 years ago. And there are a lot of moderately obese people who would have been merely moderately overweight back then.

But what sets them apart is genetics, not willpower.

Let's face it, the guy out there who eats what he wants, and lives a sedentary lifestyle and is only 20 lbs over weight is NOT the same, genetically, as the guy who lives the exact same lifestyle and is 200 lbs over weight.

 

[CPA]

Good thread.

My 12 year old son is fat. And I tell him so. (I am not BTW, I am 6 foot, 187 pounds and work out frequently).

The PC crap has hit my wife. I get mean looks and remarks from her when I tell my son to lay off the third helping and eat better because he is getting fat. And recently, she stated that according to a website he is "At Risk of Being Obese". Well guess what? That's just the AMA's recommended approach to saying you are FAT! They don't want to hurt children's feelings so they say a child in the 90-98% of weight is "AT RISK". My wife was taken hook, line and sinker.


Good thing out of all my meanness, though. My son has taken steps himself, recently, to lose weight. He's jogging and watching his portions. He's lost about 10 pounds I believe.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Amused
I think we are confusing overweight, with obese. Sure, there are a lot of people who are moderately overweight today, who would have been thin just 30 years ago. And there are a lot of moderately obese people who would have been merely moderately overweight back then.

But what sets them apart is genetics, not willpower.

Let's face it, the guy out there who eats what he wants, and lives a sedentary lifestyle and is only 20 lbs over weight is NOT the same, genetically, as the guy who lives the exact same lifestyle and is 200 lbs over weight.

No matter what you think people eat. Fat, obese people eat much more than skinny idle people eat. Sure there are some people who can eat a lot and still remain skinny, but I guarantee they do not eat as much as a fat person does. No matter how much the fat person deludes themselves that that is the case because people don't naturally see the constant snacking on small unhealthy food items (which adds to a lot of calories).

One guy in college I knew, was terribly skinny but could eat like a beast. I wondered how he could eat that much. I was friends with his roommate, and I found out he rarely eats like that, only out in public. The guy would sometimes only eat 1 extremely small meal one day (maybe a PBJ sandwhich), and then the next day scarf down on a huge order of buffalo wings.

I eat quite a bit, but I am not obese. At work when we have food out, I eat quite a bit of it. But normally I only eat 3-4 servings of fruits at work which I bring, and that is it. Also, I work out almost every day. If a guy who eats a lot is skinny, his metaboloism is high because he actually lives an ective lifestyle (whether that is through doing stuff all the time or exercising), or he doesn't eat as much as you think he does.

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Nearly ALL Western countries are facing a rise in obesity. This includes most of Europe.

The fact of the matter is this: Some people are gentically predisposed to gain more weight than others. And a tiny minority of those have a genetic disease that makes them morbidly obese (these are the super obese you see in the news).

Genetics play a HUGE part in how much fat your body stores. Nothing else explains the HUGE variation in body fat between people living the exact same lifestyles and eating the exact same foods.

The more we focus merely on "self control" when it comes to weight the more we lose the battle. There is very little self control when it comes to genetics. Put a person pre-disposed to obesity in a sedentary environment with easily available, high quality/calorie foods and you have a disaster waiting to happen. The very fact that the vast majority of these people cannot control their weight shows us that self control alone will not be the answer in today's society. Our environment changed dramatically while our bodies and genetics did not.

Oh, and BTW, the people you laugh at and blame for their obesity today, where the ones more likely to survive famines and droughts just a few thousand years ago. Evolution wise, THEY have the superior genes. The naturally skinny folks out there do not.

I think you meant jeans. For if their genes were superior why do they have so many health problems?

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Amused
Yes, I know will-power is a large part of it. But it's obvious to see after 20 failed years of the obesity epidemic brought on by a changed environment that the vast majority of humans cannot overcome their body's natural uges long term. It's true with sex and it's true with food.

i.e. - Our society and culture have become extremely lazy and idle.

 

[Brutuskend]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: IgorFL
Obese seems too kind. I prefer lardbutt.

More like fat@ss!

Be careful what you say, he may have a little surprise for you at the next big Pie Eating Contest!

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Amused
And it's what we ate as kids... and we were skinny as rails. Skinny people ran in my family. No one in my family for generations gained weight until their 30s. All were beanpoles no matter what lifestyle they had, or what junk they ate... and trust me, we ate a LOT of junk and a LOT of it. Back in the 70s there was very little worry over fat, and fatty foods. My mom fried everything and even saved bacon grease to fry stuff in, just as most depression era cooks did.

Well, hate to break it to you but there were fat kids back then and there are more now. The deciding factor over the course of that period of time has been how many kids are actually active. Even in the 80s, when I was born, computers and video games were rather light in comparison to what they are now. We didn't have multiplayer games, we didn't have myspace, mmorpgs, and all that crap that keeps kids entertained for hours at a time. We had crap like excite bike, that you'd play for 30 minutes and move onto sliding down the bannister. In other words, we were more active. The fat kids weren't and now there are more inactive kids.

Now, I am not saying video games are the devil, mainly because I love them. But if your kid is less active than you were as a kid, that needs to be balanced or the weight will continue gaining. The food has to be healthier and the kid might even have to have planned workouts similar to what an adult does (run a mile on the treadmill/etc). A kid who plays video games all day instead of going out is leading an adult lifestyle in terms of calories burned.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: IgorFL
Obese seems too kind. I prefer lardbutt.

More like fat@ss!

Be careful what you say, he may have a little surprise for you at the next big Pie Eating Contest!

Hahaha.. Stand By Me... Nice :thumbsup:

 

[HBalzer]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Amused
Nearly ALL Western countries are facing a rise in obesity. This includes most of Europe.

The fact of the matter is this: Some people are gentically predisposed to gain more weight than others. And a tiny minority of those have a genetic disease that makes them morbidly obese (these are the super obese you see in the news).

Genetics play a HUGE part in how much fat your body stores. Nothing else explains the HUGE variation in body fat between people living the exact same lifestyles and eating the exact same foods.

The more we focus merely on "self control" when it comes to weight the more we lose the battle. There is very little self control when it comes to genetics. Put a person pre-disposed to obesity in a sedentary environment with easily available, high quality/calorie foods and you have a disaster waiting to happen. The very fact that the vast majority of these people cannot control their weight shows us that self control alone will not be the answer in today's society. Our environment changed dramatically while our bodies and genetics did not.

Oh, and BTW, the people you laugh at and blame for their obesity today, where the ones more likely to survive famines and droughts just a few thousand years ago. Evolution wise, THEY have the superior genes. The naturally skinny folks out there do not.

I gain weight pretty easily (muscle/fat doesn't matter), when I got injured and couldn't do anything for a year I went from 195 to 230 lbs in that time, but all I do is watch what I eat and work out. The next year, I decided to walk everywhere (I walked to the grocery store most of the time <4 miles away> ). I would walk to school (2 miles), walk around school (don't know but a lot), walk home (2 miles), walk to church (4 miles), play basketball. All of that and I ate much less. I lost it all in 6 months. I am back to 195. I now cycle all the time.

There are almost no excuses for becoming majorly obese.

I'll bet you you could never reach 400 lbs.

Yes, we all can gain or lose 30, 40 or even 50 lbs easily just by changing lifestyles. Hell, I'm a body builder who can very quickly put on 20+ lbs of fat if I stop working out.

That's different than gaining 100, 200 or 300 lbs. You merely had a lifestyle weight gain. You got chubby. You did not get obese.

Look, folks... the web is FULL of valid, reputable websites that shows a definate connection between weight, weight gain, obesity and genetics. The entire scientific community is in agreement here.

And yet the denial among the laymen continues...

It is true genetics play a part in it, for example when I work out I gain muscle mass faster than most people nonetheless if I never worked out I would scrawny or fat. So because of genetics you may have to work harder or watch what you eat more and you may not be skinny but there is no excuse for being obese.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: HBalzer
It is true genetics play a part in it, for example when I work out I gain muscle mass faster than most people nonetheless if I never worked out I would scrawny or fat. So because of genetics you may have to work harder or watch what you eat more and you may not be skinny but there is no excuse for being obese.

Exactly!!! :thumbsup:

And for the most part, going on standard deviation of genetic predisposition, 75% of the population should be close to the same in metabolism. Only 2-3% of the population really is going to be like Lance Armstrong, so for the most part, this genetic reason is just an excuse for the many, many obese people that don't fall under the actual genetic predisposition problem.

It does play a small part you may have to put a little bit more effort than someone else to get in shape, but it is mostly a lifestyle problem. And BTW, actors and actresses who are fit, work hard for those stellar bodies. They eat extremely regimented too.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
And it's what we ate as kids... and we were skinny as rails. Skinny people ran in my family. No one in my family for generations gained weight until their 30s. All were beanpoles no matter what lifestyle they had, or what junk they ate... and trust me, we ate a LOT of junk and a LOT of it. Back in the 70s there was very little worry over fat, and fatty foods. My mom fried everything and even saved bacon grease to fry stuff in, just as most depression era cooks did.

Well, hate to break it to you but there were fat kids back then and there are more now. The deciding factor over the course of that period of time has been how many kids are actually active. Even in the 80s, when I was born, computers and video games were rather light in comparison to what they are now. We didn't have multiplayer games, we didn't have myspace, mmorpgs, and all that crap that keeps kids entertained for hours at a time. We had crap like excite bike, that you'd play for 30 minutes and move onto sliding down the bannister. In other words, we were more active. The fat kids weren't and now there are more inactive kids.

Now, I am not saying video games are the devil, mainly because I love them. But if your kid is less active than you were as a kid, that needs to be balanced or the weight will continue gaining. The food has to be healthier and the kid might even have to have planned workouts similar to what an adult does (run a mile on the treadmill/etc). A kid who plays video games all day instead of going out is leading an adult lifestyle in terms of calories burned.

Hate to break it to me? You just verified what I was saying.

Back in the 70s when I was a kid, we had skinny, chubby, fat and obese kids.

Today, there would still be some skinny kids, but many would be on the virge of chubby, the chubby kids would be fat, and the obese kids morbidly obese.

What changed? Environment. What didn't change? Genetics.

And my point all along is you can have a group of kids, all leading the exact same lifestyle and eating the exact same things --back then AND today-- and you will have a wide variances in weights with some being skinny, some chubby, and some fat.

Their genetics were the same back then, as they are today. The easy gainers still had weight on them and the hard gainers were beanpoles. The change in environment has only meant everyone across the board has more lbs on them, with the exception of the beanpoles. Nothing puts weight on them... until their 30 or 40s.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Amused
Yes, I know will-power is a large part of it. But it's obvious to see after 20 failed years of the obesity epidemic brought on by a changed environment that the vast majority of humans cannot overcome their body's natural uges long term. It's true with sex and it's true with food.

i.e. - Our society and culture have become extremely lazy and idle.

We have become idle, but not lazy. Most in our society work quite hard to be able to be idle. We, on average, put in more work hours than any other industrialized nation. To say we are lazy is simplistic.

I know many overweight people, from chubby to obese who put in more work hours than the average 3 skinny folks. They work their asses off... only thier jobs are not physically demanding.

Look, let me try making my point again:

What we are trying to fight here is basic human nature, and our own genetics along with the urges those bring.

Has ANY society EVER been successful in curbing "immoral" sex? No. Not even with the threat of punishment, disease and death. If we could never curb that, how in the fsck are we going to curb the very natural human urge to eat high calorie food and take it easy when we can... especially among people who's own bodies are genetically programmed to pack on fat for starvation cycles that never happen?

The fact is, we have failed misserably. The people KNOW the dangers. They KNOW what makes them overweight... and yet 80+% of overweight people will fail to take off the weight long term. That's not just a question of willpower. That's a question of fighting the most basic of human nature, genetics and environment. We have created an environment that is highly detrimental to many people's health.

As long as these people live within this environment, the vast majority who have the ability to become overweight or obese WILL become that way.

The key lies in either changing the environment, or the genetics. And I don't see the environment becoming any better when it comes to this problem.

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Amused
What changed? Environment. What didn't change? Genetics.

And my point all along is you can have a group of kids, all leading the exact same lifestyle and eating the exact same things --back then AND today-- and you will have a wide variances in weights with some being skinny, some chubby, and some fat.

Their genetics were the same back then, as they are today. The easy gainers still had weight on them and the hard gainers were beanpoles. The change in environment has only meant everyone across the board has more lbs on them, with the exception of the beanpoles. Nothing puts weight on them... until their 30 or 40s.

So the only place we differ is that you believe the skinny people today are just as idle as the overweight people they just have a special gene that keeps them skinny. But I believe that the skinny people today are just the smaller portion of the population that remain active despite an ever increasing number of entertainments that push the other direction. We still have kids that play sports, unless sports are abolished, we will always have some skinny people. There are still some kids whose parents simply do not let them sit inside all day.

In other words.
You say: The change in environment means everyone has more lbs on them
I say: The change in environment means there is a larger ratio of fat people to skinny people

Oh and curbing immoral sex and curbing overweight are 2 completely different things. Being in shape allows one to get more immoral sex. Being in shape allows one to go to the beach, feel proud about themselves, run without dying, use the stairs instead of the elevator. There are far too many things that are limited by being fat. Being overweight affects everything you do in life, sex does not (unless someone gets pregnant).

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
What changed? Environment. What didn't change? Genetics.

And my point all along is you can have a group of kids, all leading the exact same lifestyle and eating the exact same things --back then AND today-- and you will have a wide variances in weights with some being skinny, some chubby, and some fat.

Their genetics were the same back then, as they are today. The easy gainers still had weight on them and the hard gainers were beanpoles. The change in environment has only meant everyone across the board has more lbs on them, with the exception of the beanpoles. Nothing puts weight on them... until their 30 or 40s.

So the only place we differ is that you believe the skinny people today are just as idle as the overweight people they just have a special gene that keeps them skinny. But I believe that the skinny people today are just the smaller portion of the population that remain active despite an ever increasing number of entertainments that push the other direction. We still have kids that play sports, unless sports are abolished, we will always have some skinny people. There are still some kids whose parents simply do not let them sit inside all day.

In other words.
You say: The change in environment means everyone has more lbs on them
I say: The change in environment means there is a larger ratio of fat people to skinny people

Oh and curbing immoral sex and curbing overweight are 2 completely different things. Being in shape allows one to get more immoral sex. Being in shape allows one to go to the beach, feel proud about themselves, run without dying, use the stairs instead of the elevator. There are far too many things that are limited by being fat. Being overweight affects everything you do in life, sex does not (unless someone gets pregnant).

First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don;t buy your explaination. I know better.

Secondly, I see a LOT of fat/obese people with a ton of kids, and on their 3rd or 4th marriage. So again, being skinny does not mean you'll breed more.

 

[j00fek]

how about labeling their parents fkk!n STUPID

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: Amused
First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don;t buy your explaination. I know better.

You rang?

 

[skace]

Originally posted by: Amused
First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don;t buy your explaination. I know better.

Secondly, I see a LOT of fat/obese people with a ton of kids, and on their 3rd or 4th marriage. So again, being skinny does not mean you'll breed more.

Weird, everyone that was in better shape than me growing up was more active and ate better.

And I wasn't saying fat people don't breed. I was saying ENJOYABLE sex. Not fat people slamming into each other.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused
First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don't buy your explaination. I know better.

You rang?

LOL!

Seriously, this guy is as skinny as a stick and eats like a freakin' horse. AND he doesn't exercise much, if at all. He's a perfect example. I used to be the same way.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don;t buy your explaination. I know better.

Secondly, I see a LOT of fat/obese people with a ton of kids, and on their 3rd or 4th marriage. So again, being skinny does not mean you'll breed more.

Weird, everyone that was in better shape than me growing up was more active and ate better.

And I wasn't saying fat people don't breed. I was saying ENJOYABLE sex. Not fat people slamming into each other.

Just because someone is skinny does not mean they are in good shape.

And yes, there are lots of lazy skinny people. You're confusing skinny with "cut" or "built."

And I bet there are a lot of fat people who have a lot more sex than you.