Experts Debate Labeling Fat Children Obese

[skace]

Am I supposed to be jelous of fat people having sex? There are tons of ugly people having sex too, I'm not jelous of them either. I bet crackwhores get tons of sex.

*/** Albeit, I'll be jelous of the first fat guy having sex with an amazingly hot chick.

* without paying for it
** has to be willingly

 

[middlehead]

Fvck their feelings, the fat bastards need to hear it early and often until they fix it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: skace
Am I supposed to be jelous of fat people having sex? There are tons of ugly people having sex too, I'm not jelous of them either. I bet crackwhores get tons of sex.

*/** Albeit, I'll be jelous of the first fat guy having sex with an amazingly hot chick.

* without paying for it
** has to be willingly

LOL! When they are having more sex than you? Sure!

At any rate, sex and eating are two basic human desires. One is a necessity for life. If we as a society could not control the one that isn't required to live, how can we be expected to control the other?

You can't fight genetics. The 80+% failure rate is proof enough of that.

 

[zixxer]

my g/f's dad once said something that stuck w/ me - you don't get fat on air, bread, and water.

 

[VanTheMan]

Originally posted by: DaShen
Meh, the French have had so many government changes, it is ridiculous. I might be venting because I don't like there elitist attitude in their culture, but I am referring to the changes between 1780-1830s. Napoleanic Era. People would get complacent and lazy, then a regime change, then a spark growth, then a decline.... REPEAT. They have a very laissez-faire attitude about their government, until the government is blamed for something, then the government needs to do everything for them. Sounds familiar to our Nation nowadays.

Look at their 30 hour workdays nowadays, and there total job security even if you are terrible at it. It gets ridiculous after a while.

Did France finally get so snobby that they shifted off the same temporal plane as everyone else?

 

[Synth3t1c]

im fat and my mom tells me all the time.

im glad she does


GENETIC OBESITY IS A CROCK OF SHOOT

 

[Atomicus]

I'm walking around Taiwan and the number of obese/fat people I see is probably less than 5% of the time.

Genetics FTL
Environment and eating habits FTW

More often than not people here prefer ?? vs. fast food. In fact, its easier to find a 7Eleven than a McD in the busiest parts of Taiwan.

 

[Xyclone]

Being a fatty when I was a kid, I never lost weight until I was made fun of for being fat. Now I'm eating healthy and staying fit. You need some motivation (and criticism) to get your ass in shape and turn your life around. This is bullshit. Call them obese, and tell them to get off their ass, put down the McDonalds and DO SOMETHING.

 

[ForumMaster]

bullshit. fat people wheter they be children or adults should be told outright of their condition. and if it embarasess them, all the better. they might take charge of the situation and do something about it. i hate going to the pool and seeing boys with boobs. it's disgusting. and the epidemic is spreading. maybe if we tell them outright, they'll do something about their weight.

 

[ForumMaster]

BTW, maybe instead, they'll call them "horizontally challenged"!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Synth3t1c
im fat and my mom tells me all the time.

im glad she does


GENETIC OBESITY IS A CROCK OF SHOOT

You are fat. You have the ability to become fat. When I was young and in my 20s, I could not become fat. No matter how much I ate and how lazy I was, I could never gain much, if any weight. And trust me, I ate a LOT and was not into many physical activities.

That, my friend, is controlled by genetics. How fat you CAN become if given unlimited food and no physical activity is completely controlled by genetics. The rest is controlled by environment and behavior within that environment.

And the sad fact is, our present environment offers nearly unlimited food, and almost no physical activity. Now the only thing controlling whether people genetically able to become obese do so is their behavior... and it's showing.

 

[inveterate]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: DaShen
with the people in America nowadays. When did we become so lazy and ultra-sensitive? If you look at any established nation or power, this type of culture shift always has lead to the downfall of that nation of power. Spartans, Macedonians, Romans, French...

Spartans? Macedonians? Eh?

MASTER CHIEF IS NOT LAZY, HE IS ULTRA SENSITIVE in the sense of COMBAT awareness. I read that in the BOOK. MUAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

I think DDR is the weightloss plan we need to adopt, just look at those amazing weightloss stories on Redoctane Like seriously that girl GOT SOOO HOT.... You loose ALOT of weight just from one session due to the water, and having ur circulatory system work overtime increases ur motabolism ALOT, the problem is when people go on a diet they're stupid enough to think DOING more excersize and eating less. Then then end up dead tired and getting off the diet. If jog 1 mile DAY, u can eat w/e the fvck u want and NEVER get fat..

15 minutes people 1 mile,, OR DDR 35minutes,, just that and ur life is HEalthy and set, likely disease free,

I personally lost 7 lbs on DDR when i was fat. then i started growing taller, so no biggy.. imo if ur fat before ur 10, it isn't that big a deal because as soon as u start getting that growth spirt u come out of it.

 

[aidanjm]

Fat kids seem to be some of the most teased. No point in making them feel worse, I suppose.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: VanTheMan

Originally posted by: DaShen
Meh, the French have had so many government changes, it is ridiculous. I might be venting because I don't like there elitist attitude in their culture, but I am referring to the changes between 1780-1830s. Napoleanic Era. People would get complacent and lazy, then a regime change, then a spark growth, then a decline.... REPEAT. They have a very laissez-faire attitude about their government, until the government is blamed for something, then the government needs to do everything for them. Sounds familiar to our Nation nowadays.

Look at their 30 hour workdays nowadays, and there total job security even if you are terrible at it. It gets ridiculous after a while.

Did France finally get so snobby that they shifted off the same temporal plane as everyone else?

oops... I mean work weeks.

BTW, the French gov't tried to raise the work week hours because they are experiencing a lack of productivity in there service products and there was an uproar about it. :roll:

 

[Lazy8s]

They could avoid telling them by having the nurses oink at them as they pass by in the hall...

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: Amused
First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don;t buy your explaination. I know better.

Secondly, I see a LOT of fat/obese people with a ton of kids, and on their 3rd or 4th marriage. So again, being skinny does not mean you'll breed more.

Weird, everyone that was in better shape than me growing up was more active and ate better.

And I wasn't saying fat people don't breed. I was saying ENJOYABLE sex. Not fat people slamming into each other.

To some extent. I knew a guy who didn't eat well or healthy, but he was really skinny. (he gorged on food one day and didn't eat practically anything the next day so I guess it evened out)

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused
First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don't buy your explaination. I know better.

You rang?

LOL!

Seriously, this guy is as skinny as a stick and eats like a freakin' horse. AND he doesn't exercise much, if at all. He's a perfect example. I used to be the same way.

What I am betting is that he is more active than you think, or he doesn't eat as much as you think he does in private. Or his Body Fat percentage is really high, but his frame is small. i.e. - he doesn't have any muscle and he is actually quite fat, but doens't look it.

 

[EyeMWing]

Please. Stop labeling these people experts. That might shut them up.

Edit: Okay, I actually read the article. They're saying something mildly intelligent. But still, don't call them experts.

 

[Lazy8s]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
Please. Stop labeling these people experts. That might shut them up.

Better hope none of the P&N people hear you say that. They'll go on for 4 pages about how expert opinions are better than facts...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: Amused
First off, I know a LOT of extremely lazy skinny people. They aren't physically active and eat whatever, whenever they want. So no, I don't buy your explaination. I know better.

You rang?

LOL!

Seriously, this guy is as skinny as a stick and eats like a freakin' horse. AND he doesn't exercise much, if at all. He's a perfect example. I used to be the same way.

What I am betting is that he is more active than you think, or he doesn't eat as much as you think he does in private. Or his Body Fat percentage is really high, but his frame is small. i.e. - he doesn't have any muscle and he is actually quite fat, but doens't look it.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that some people can not become obese? Are you that blind to the world around you? Or do you deny reality to fit your world view?

Again, how fat you CAN become, given unlimited food and low physical activity, is completely controlled by genetics. Put a random sample of people into this environment, and you'll have a broad spectrum of weights as an outcome.

Genetically, some people can never become even chubby, others can become chubby, others can be fat, and a minority can become morbidly obese.

Want to see genetics and obesity in action? Look at Samoans. They gain weight just looking at food.

 

[DaShen]

Originally posted by: Amused
Why is it so hard for you to believe that some people can not become obese? Are you that blind to the world around you? Or do you deny reality to fit your world view?

Again, how fat you CAN become, given unlimited food and low physical activity, is completely controlled by genetics. Put a random sample of people into this environment, and you'll have a broad spectrum of weights as an outcome.

Genetically, some people can never become even chubby, others can become chubby, others can be fat, and a minority can become morbidly obese.

Want to see genetics and obesity in action? Look at Samoans. They gain weight just looking at food.

What I don't understand is how you can attribute being fat and obese to Genetics so readily.

The UNDERLINED part should only be about the top 12-15% of the human population. The BOLDED part should be only about the top 2-3% going by standard deviation. But this isn't the case now a days, so the consequence of that is that it is more nurture than nature. Sure that 12-15% might have a harder time being skinny (which means they just need to be aware of that genetic problem and work harder to remedy it LIFESTYLE), but what about the other fat bastards out there that don't fall under this percentage (LIFESTYLE). In which case, the very large group not under that 12-15% give the excuse it is genetics, which it isn't.

If you have a predisposition to get cancer or to be an alcoholic, does that give you the right to go ahead and live a terrible, lazy lifestyle and add to that risk? NO. Instead if you knew you were predispositioned for cancer or alcoholism, you would eat right and stay away from alcohol (LIFESTYLE) instead of being lazy and making excuses.

Look at Smoking and Lung Cancer. Sure a person might have a propensity for Lung Cancer, but you take anyone (even a person with great genetics) and have them smoke for 20-30 years (basically lead a terrible lifestyle), and they will get Lung Cancer or Emphysema -- No matter how good their genetics are.

And, yes, lets look at the Samoans. Yes, partially Nature, but a lot more about their culture and the way they eat (Nurture).

Whatever, man, I don't care anymore. Believe what you want to believe.

**EDIT**
BTW, I am not Amused

 

[mattpegher]

The problem goes even deeper than just the childs weight. Obese children tend to be ill behaved and intolerant of any discomfort. They have lived their entire life never being told NO.
The current epidemic in morbidly obese (literally so fat that your health is at risk) children is the end result of a culture of poor parenting. Being a good parent is a lot of work (and should require a license and some personality testing). If you truely love your children, you do whats best for them, and that sometime means punishment and restrictions. The main problem is this is a second generation problem (it the grandparents fault) for not raising todays parents right.

No matter what we call it, if doctors, parents and teacher do not address the issue these children will suffer many ill effects latter in life.

Ultimately though, as Ron White say's "You can't fix stupid".

 

[Scarpozzi]

Just don't feed your kids as often...just make sure there's water in their dish and it's all good.

 

[mattpegher]

There has been a great deal of discussion of genetic obesity. This is a real but extreemly rare problem and can only be diagnosed by an experienced endocrinologist. The vast majority of obese children of obese parents are not genetically obese.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: mattpegher
There has been a great deal of discussion of genetic obesity. This is a real but extreemly rare problem and can only be diagnosed by an experienced endocrinologist. The vast majority of obese children of obese parents are not genetically obese.

Again, the ABILITY to become chubby, fat, or obese given the right environment and behavior within that environment is genetic. This explains why two people living the exact same lifestyles and eating the exact same foods can be two very different weights.

I've already posted a CDC article that confirms what I am saying. Look up genetics +obesity on google and every valid link confirms what I am saying. There really is no debate.