My example of the Japanese plants offering $15 to $25 per hour for experienced controls engineers is exactly what you're talking about. You won't find an experienced technician for $25, much less a full blown 5 year engineer, especially with the demand for that position right now.
I'm guessing that the companies are working their people into the dirt to keep up right now while waiting for the jobs to be filled...but they never do.
So what you're saying is a kid out of high school should be paid as much or more than an engineer right out of college? Though it does make sense most engineers right out of college don't know squat and need to be trained to do the job they've been hire to perform as well.
So what you're saying is a kid out of high school should be paid as much or more than an engineer right out of college? Though it does make sense most engineers right out of college don't know squat and need to be trained to do the job they've been hire to perform as well.
So you need to pay them $30/hr plus benefits/training when you have mechanics with 10 years experience making those wages and can fully perform their job.
So you need to pay them $30/hr plus benefits/training when you have mechanics with 10 years experience making those wages and can fully perform their job.
As for the college grads, keep on believing that graduating gives them special abilities or advantages as from my life experiences I've seen otherwise.
I never said that they need to be paid anything. If you cannot get workers are the current wages/working conditions, then either you increase the supply of workers (to lower the wage) or you increase the wages (to increase the supply of workers).
I never said anything in general about 'college grads', just 'engineering grads'. You will not take a high school grad and have them designing chipsets @ Intel. They don't have the aptitude for it.
If you've read my posts on this forum, and I know you have, you know that I will take a hard working, self taught skilled trades workers 100 to 1 over many of today's college grads so you're giving grief to the wrong person. You also know that I advocate technical schools to train kids today. Those skills are much closer to real life 'right to the job' skills and not some formulas or theories that will eventually lead to the person figuring it out (if they ever do).
If the skills were needed, the employers would likely be paying a wage to attract them. What is more likely is that the labor demand is being filled by people who are willing to live a cheaper lifestyle compared to the American standard. I think Southpark had a great episode about this very topic...
The Wall Street Journal says the derailment "threatened to throw a wrench in the tightly choreographed and far-flung aerospace supply chain, which depends on just-in-time deliveries of giant parts by train, plane and boat to meet the record demand for jetliners."
No, the problem is young people want to work in nice offices or air conditioned buildings. After all their Mommy told them they could be anthing they wanted to be. Most young people don't make it to the 90 day mark, many going back to their low paying McJobs. They would rather be in air conditioning making less than $10/hr than working in the environment making $20/hr.
The mentality in the US is that businesses feel entitled to things just for being "job creators." They feel entitled to be subsidized by state and local tax money, and also to be subsidized by their employees by accepting low pay. It simply doesn't connect in their mind that there is a shortage of qualified workers because they aren't offering enough pay for the qualifications they are demanding. Instead they criticize workers for not having the skills at a lower pay scale, or same states and localities from whom they got huge tax credits for not spending enough tax money to educate the workforce to create an abundance of cheap qualified labor for them.
The mentality in the US is that American workers (including upper management) feel they are entitled to the best pay, working conditions, retirement plans, benefits, etc., but as consumers refuse to reach in their pocket to pay for it believing they are also entitled to the cheapest products and services at someone else's expense.
The mentality in the US is that American workers (including upper management) feel they are entitled to the best pay, working conditions, retirement plans, benefits, etc., but as consumers refuse to reach in their pocket to pay for it believing they are also entitled to the cheapest products and services at someone else's expense.
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but ignoring the arguments people are having and focusing on the article, do they actually provide more than a single example? And that example being line work at a manufacturing plant? (doesn't say that's what it is, but considering you're talking a $10/h job, I think it's safe to assume).
Even the amount of jobs versus the amount of openings barely explained. For construction, are we talking day laborers or skilled carpenters?
The mentality in the US is that American workers (including upper management) feel they are entitled to the best pay, working conditions, retirement plans, benefits, etc., but as consumers refuse to reach in their pocket to pay for it believing they are also entitled to the cheapest products and services at someone else's expense.
Those are the guys who are trying to make the big picture work and they're getting blamed for it.
The proposal to expand H1Bs to 180,000 a year isn't helping either. With the economy adding (generously) maybe 200,000 jobs a month, that would be nearly 10% our jobs allocated to non-immigrant visas.
I say generously since we added 800k part-time jobs, and lost 500k full time jobs during June, so in a field of dwindling full-time jobs we are proposing to pump the market with even more labor.
Most young people don't make it to the 90 day mark, many going back to their low paying McJobs. They would rather be in air conditioning making less than $10/hr than working in the environment making $20/hr.
If so few people are willing to do the job then it means the conditions and wages aren't good enough.
"Every time you hear someone say 'I can't find the workers I need,' add the phrase 'at the wage I want to pay'," said Heidi Shierholz, an economist for the Economic Policy Institute, a Washington, D.C., economic research organization.
You assume the corporations are competent... you are incorrect
Good thing boeing moved their factories all around and have to ship their plane parts all around to save a dollar! That worked well... nailed it!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...lls-boeing-737-fueslages-into-river/12258639/
They were already pushing that factory for max production so its unlikely they'd be able to ramp up production in the short term to complete the planes... whatever.
The proposal to expand H1Bs to 180,000 a year isn't helping either. With the economy adding (generously) maybe 200,000 jobs a month, that would be nearly 10% our jobs allocated to non-immigrant visas.
I say generously since we added 800k part-time jobs, and lost 500k full time jobs during June, so in a field of dwindling full-time jobs we are proposing to pump the market with even more labor.
Broadly speaking that's true but in the way that 'the stock market always goes up' or 'the market prices risk' is true. That doesn't preclude periods of dips related to various issues like irrationality that can last years. Or you could have general expectations of conditions\wages is higher than the market can support or is reasonable. Its been my experience (that I have shared before) that unreasonable expectations regarding the level of effort (or lack thereof) has increased. Relatively speaking we have increased our wages and benefit offerings above where they were in 2005 yet we are having a harder time finding capable employees. This is the same job paying more while pulling from a larger pool of workers. Something is off and its not the salary\benefits.
A friend of mine and I were discussing the woes of trying to find good employees over lunch last week. They have a position open for a plumber with NO experience requiring only a GED\HS diploma starting at $14/hr for your first 90 days and an up to $2hr/ hour raise after that. FREE health vision and dental are included for the employees' entire family. Also includes profit sharing, frequent over time opportunities, flexible holdiays, triple overtime for holidays, on-call bonuses ($30 for each call\visit they take after hours + hourly wage + overtime (if applicable)).
Yet there they have still had a rash of new hires quit or just stop showing up to work for a fucking gem of a job. One guy quit because the 'hours were too long'. He had worked 44 hours that week. Another quit because the 'job was too dirty'. Another because 'he didn't like going into people's houses' and 'having to interact' with them.