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Feldenak

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Jan 31, 2003
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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: LoKe
He defeated the Balrog and died aswell. The "Council (?)" decided he was ready for a promotion, so he became a higher-class wizard. They threw in the new robe because they don't want their employee's looking like bumbs.

what was the balrog?

the balrog was one of the ainur, just like gandalf. they were the critters that created the world. some of them went into the world afterward (the ones you come across in the movies and books are sauron, the wizards, and that balrog, though there are other, more powerful ones, melkor being the most powerful and evil). they normally live 'in the west' which is where the elves sail to at the end of the movie. the balrogs were minor ainur who were followers of melkor, and they took his form.

anyway, after the fall of numenor (due to sauron's poison) the lords of the west (the good ainur) decided a few of their own should go into middle earth to act as sort of guiding hand to help the elves and what remained of mankind against sauron. those were the wizards. they weren't the most powerful, but had unique traits that would be helpful, though they were not (and could not) directly challenge the might of sauron.

anyway, after gandalf defeated the balrog he traveled back into the west, and presumably they sent him back with upgraded powers.

How many times did you read the Silmarilion?
 

everman

Lifer
Nov 5, 2002
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He bought a bunch of gear off of ebay, mostly super enchanted stuff. His guild also power-leveled him non-stop.
 

CFster

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Actually, Gandalf was one of the Maiar, which rank below the Valar, which helped create the world. Regardless, they came from outside the world before it was created.

The Balrog was a Maiar as well. And so was Sauron. They all were of different forms, but the same beings underneath.

There was one even badder than Sauron before him - a Valar named Morgoth (or Melkor). The Balrogs originally worked for him, before he was kicked out of the world.

In any event, after Gandalf died defeating the Balrog he was sent back (probably by the Valar) to continue his work. It was never explained fully - even in the Silmarillion. I think that the Valar and Maiar probably couldn't die, since they came down to Arda before the world was made - they simply assume different forms.

Read the books, and the Silmarillion if you're interested more, or visit The Encyclopedia of Arda.

There's so much more to the story than those stupid movies portrayed. For example, Gandalf is over 6000 years old.







 

Schadenfroh

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Mar 8, 2003
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Originally posted by: everman
He bought a bunch of gear off of ebay, mostly super enchanted stuff. His guild also power-leveled him non-stop.

Damn LotR gold farmers!
 

joinT

Lifer
Jan 19, 2001
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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Gandalf is Ridin' Spinnaz

- M4H

the white horse remix has been huge in the T.O. house scene for almost a year now so the TBS ad is my fav on many levels.

"When Gandalf rides the white horse - look out Middle Earth!" <-- GOLD line :laugh:
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: LoKe
He defeated the Balrog and died aswell. The "Council (?)" decided he was ready for a promotion, so he became a higher-class wizard. They threw in the new robe because they don't want their employee's looking like bumbs.

what was the balrog?

Watch The Two Towers again.
Blarog - big critter made of fire and shadow.

actually, the balrog and gandolf were the same type of creature with different physical manifestations and with the difference of balrog having chosen to serve evil and gandalf serving good.

 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: LoKe
He defeated the Balrog and died aswell. The "Council (?)" decided he was ready for a promotion, so he became a higher-class wizard. They threw in the new robe because they don't want their employee's looking like bumbs.

what was the balrog?

Watch The Two Towers again.
Blarog - big critter made of fire and shadow.

actually, the balrog and gandolf were the same type of creature with different physical manifestations and with the difference of balrog having chosen to serve evil and gandalf serving good.

Quit saying GANDOLF!
 

PlatinumGold

Lifer
Aug 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: dainthomas
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: Jeff7
Originally posted by: FreshPrince
Originally posted by: LoKe
He defeated the Balrog and died aswell. The "Council (?)" decided he was ready for a promotion, so he became a higher-class wizard. They threw in the new robe because they don't want their employee's looking like bumbs.

what was the balrog?

Watch The Two Towers again.
Blarog - big critter made of fire and shadow.

actually, the balrog and gandolf were the same type of creature with different physical manifestations and with the difference of balrog having chosen to serve evil and gandalf serving good.

Quit saying GANDOLF!

if you read my post carefully you will note i spelled it correctly the second time.

so i misspelled something, sheesh chill out.
 

Tom

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Oct 9, 1999
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Since we're on the subject, Shelob, the big spider, is also extremely old, she's an immediate descendant of Ungoliant, who may have been another Maiar, who played an important role in the creation of the Sun and Moon.

That event also has a lot to do with the special trees in LOTR, the White Tree of Gondor, and the Mallorn trees, like the ones Galadriel lives in.

 

Illusions89

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Mar 21, 2006
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Originally posted by: Tom
Since we're on the subject, Shelob, the big spider, is also extremely old, she's an immediate descendant of Ungoliant, who may have been another Maiar, who played an important role in the creation of the Sun and Moon.

That event also has a lot to do with the special trees in LOTR, the White Tree of Gondor, and the Mallorn trees, like the ones Galadriel lives in.


haha you know your LOTR.....lmao
 
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