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fleabag

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Hah. Your replies do reek of a 16-year-old. Ahh, youth.
Why? Because I'm defending those who are being discriminated against on the basis of not only something they can't control, but on things that have no basis in reality? Why be prejudice? It is true that it takes time to become more experienced but to say that a 23 year old is already more experienced than a 16 year old purely based upon their age and not on other factors is just wrong. Would you trust a bed ridden 45 year old man with downsyndrome to repair your car or a 10 year old child who has been working on cars with his dad since he was 4? Yes most people are mediocre but considering this forum is filled with people that aren't so mediocre, I would have figured that people here would be aware of those who are quite skilled despite their young age.
 

Numenorean

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Why? Because I'm defending those who are being discriminated against on the basis of not only something they can't control, but on things that have no basis in reality? Why be prejudice? It is true that it takes time to become more experienced but to say that a 23 year old is already more experienced than a 16 year old purely based upon their age and not on other factors is just wrong. Would you trust a bed ridden 45 year old man with downsyndrome to repair your car or a 10 year old child who has been working on cars with his dad since he was 4? Yes most people are mediocre but considering this forum is filled with people that aren't so mediocre, I would have figured that people here would be aware of those who are quite skilled despite their young age.

At least a bed ridden 45 year old man with downs syndrome who has been deaf and blind his entire life knows more about tires than you.
 

nerp

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Why? Because I'm defending those who are being discriminated against on the basis of not only something they can't control, but on things that have no basis in reality? Why be prejudice? It is true that it takes time to become more experienced but to say that a 23 year old is already more experienced than a 16 year old purely based upon their age and not on other factors is just wrong. Would you trust a bed ridden 45 year old man with downsyndrome to repair your car or a 10 year old child who has been working on cars with his dad since he was 4? Yes most people are mediocre but considering this forum is filled with people that aren't so mediocre, I would have figured that people here would be aware of those who are quite skilled despite their young age.

Blah blah blah. When you get older you'll see how much of a flying nitwit you are now. Hopefully.
 

MrPickins

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And this is what middle aged people tell themselves when their intelligence, knowledge or experience has been challenged or even usurped by someone significantly younger than them. Just because you're older, doesn't mean you're more experienced. I'm pretty sure there are some kids who are 13 years old who've had more real life experience dealing with crack fiends, drug overdoses, gang violence and child rearing (children raising children) than your 80 year old auntie who was born sterile and grew up in a quiet, rural community.
Age doesn't equal experience. If this were true, then all people in their 80s should have no reason to be on welfare as they're all "seasoned" and should "know the ropes" by now. The fact that these people didn't save a dime as they lived their lives can be seen by how decrepit their livings conditions are.

Age may not equal experience, but lack of age definitely means lack of opportunity to have gained experience.

And your lack of perspective makes you think that your small amount of experience is equal to those who have much more than you.

Hopefully as you get older you'll understand.
 

Born2bwire

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Why? Because I'm defending those who are being discriminated against on the basis of not only something they can't control, but on things that have no basis in reality? Why be prejudice? It is true that it takes time to become more experienced but to say that a 23 year old is already more experienced than a 16 year old purely based upon their age and not on other factors is just wrong. Would you trust a bed ridden 45 year old man with downsyndrome to repair your car or a 10 year old child who has been working on cars with his dad since he was 4? Yes most people are mediocre but considering this forum is filled with people that aren't so mediocre, I would have figured that people here would be aware of those who are quite skilled despite their young age.

Yes, please explain to use in oh so simple words how a 16 year old could have more experience than a 23 year old when they probably haven't been able to legally drive at most for a year.
 

jeanclaude

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Why? Because I'm defending those who are being discriminated against on the basis of not only something they can't control, but on things that have no basis in reality? Why be prejudice? It is true that it takes time to become more experienced but to say that a 23 year old is already more experienced than a 16 year old purely based upon their age and not on other factors is just wrong. Would you trust a bed ridden 45 year old man with downsyndrome to repair your car or a 10 year old child who has been working on cars with his dad since he was 4? Yes most people are mediocre but considering this forum is filled with people that aren't so mediocre, I would have figured that people here would be aware of those who are quite skilled despite their young age.


Fleababy - this has to be your loudest and longest tantrum ever! Pretty impressive lung power. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Once again you employ the same immature tactics - conflate, confuse, exaggerative, stupid analogy, bellow and name calling. And you wonder why people dismiss you as a petulant immature child?

No one is dismissing your opinions simply because of your age - people wisely chose to ignore your input because you repeatedly demonstrate willful ignorance and a completely lack of regard for other more informed opinions, hostility to countervailing opinions / experience / logic / physics / history / statistical validity etc.

You always miss the obvious - people are challenging your intellectual and emotional maturity not your actual physical age. But your reactions and tantrums and hostility towards any sort of critical analysis / feedback and Pavlovian response of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming louder is fucking childish. Hence people call you a child.

The fact is that you have demonstrated time and time again that you ARE NOT A SKILLED 23 YEAR OLD. If you could get past yourself you might learn something on this forum. But you cant. So you FAIL. And fail again and again and again. You have a long sordid history of demonstrating how mediocre you really are. But fingers in ears and thumb up ass you march forward shout like a child and scream 'victimization'.

You get the reactions and responses that you deserve. Respect is earned. At this rate you will never get out of the hole that you have created.
 

dawp

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the thing with fleabag is he's ignorant and he really doesn't know how ignorant he is. and since he's been banned(again), don't expect a reply any time soon.
 

Born2bwire

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the thing with fleabag is he's ignorant and he really doesn't know how ignorant he is. and since he's been banned(again), don't expect a reply any time soon.

Yeah. He may be banned but I know that he's still staying up to the early morning, reading these responses, and fuming about it.
 

grrl

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the thing with fleabag is he's ignorant and he really doesn't know how ignorant he is. and since he's been banned(again), don't expect a reply any time soon.

I expected this to get locked as soon as fleatard - yet again - hijacked his own thread with more babbling about sidewall. Maybe AT could create a Kiddie Garage forum just for him.
 

jeanclaude

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Yeah. He may be banned but I know that he's still staying up to the early morning, reading these responses, and fuming about it.


I pity his parents and family upstairs who have to put up with his impotent rage.

I suspect his reaction to being banned was something like this. Just substitute "mom" for mod and world of warcraft for "atot privileges"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdsH3IoNGXk

and the follow up vid. Substitute 'squirrel boy' for fleatard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVw9D88I0xo&fmt=18&annotation_id=annotation_769597&feature=iv
 
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ahenkel

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I think maybe someday he'll make a good district attorney. My logic for this is as follows. Every time I've seen some one who's been wrongfully convicted get released no matter how irrefutable the evidence is the DA is still convinced the wrongfully convicted dude is guilty.

Seeing as how all of his arguments follow the same logic, I'm thinking DA.
 

PlasmaBomb

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A manufacturer's generic warning statement that is reprinted as a thoughtless, broad disclaimer I'm not going to believe especially when I can easily prove otherwise through my own testing and the testing of others. Most of the time manufacturers are correct in their warnings and they can indeed be proven to be useful in actual practice like the warning not to run such and such compressor for more than 10 minutes at a time to prevent overheating. Or don't smoke/make any sparks near a charging battery because the hydrogen could be ignited and explode. Or "high voltage", dangerous, etc etc. I can probably think of 100 things where the manufacturer's stern warning is valid and should be followed for every warning where it's just a load of crap and is for a limited circumstance. This whole bit about tire pressure thing is one of those, and in my experience and the experience of others has shown otherwise. What and how they come up with these warnings is perfectly logical, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it especially if I can prove otherwise.

Have you done extensive testing at multiple points to find the best fuel economy, the fuel economy/grip sweet spot, and the pressure which achieves maximum grip? Did you look into changes in the gearing ratio due to changes in the tires footprint and height with changing pressure?

Erm, no.
 

PlasmaBomb

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Wait why is nobody concerned that he says that he got a job as a tire expert at the corner garage? I mean I know he's probably making shit up but he just might be fucking with ppl's cars. I'd be worried if I lived on the same continent.

The content of the post suggests* that he is making shit up.

* If you consider several big neon signs saying "full of shit" as a suggestion.
 

PlasmaBomb

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what the fuck? A vehicle's cornering ability and straight line stopping distances can be completely affected by mutually exclusive factors. I've never experienced worse handling or stopping distances due to adding tire pressure and if anything I've gotten better performance out of my tires, not worse. I've yet to notice a measurable difference in braking distance even in slick weather (sleet) so the notion that inflating to 51psi on my dad's truck is false. In a much older thread, I mentioned taking turns in a reversed banked corner where the vehicle felt a little more inclined to tip-over due to me taking that corner much too fast. You know on those Nascar tracks where they have banked corners? The corners are banked so that the drivers can take the corners more quickly? Right? Well the instance I refer to is one where the corner was banked so that instead of improving cornering ability, it was hurting it.

If you're still having a difficult time visualizing what I'm talking about, picture this. You're driving an SUV going straight down a steep road at a high rate of speed, you sharply turn the steering wheel to the right, what do you picture would happen to this vehicle? It's going to roll over... This is pretty much caused by overloading the front left tire (in this circumstance) and under-loading the right rear tire, causing the vehicle to flip. This exact same scenario happens on this "reverse banked turn" I take when I turn off the off-ramp. It's only in this type of scenario where I could measurably feel a negative impact on handling characteristics due to my inflation pressures. However since I'm not driving a sports car and if a police officer witnessed me taking that corner at that rate of speed (25mph), it's very possible that I could be cited. So the only adverse handling effect I could measurably feel is one that happens in a scenario where I'm already driving at an unsafe rate of speed.

I think I understand where you came to the conclusion that higher pressure = worse braking distance. I said that higher pressures made taking sharp corners too quickly uncomfortable and I guess you assume it was because I was getting tire scrub, that the tires weren't gripping the pavement anymore. So if my tires are not gripping the pavement as well as before, then my braking distance would be affected. This did not happen. Instead what happened is by adding more air to the tires it raised the vehicle's center of gravity ever so slightly.

Failpost is fail.

Marked for later.
 

Bignate603

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I know you didn't because if you did, what you're saying is a fucking lie or you're just exaggerating. Characteristics WILL CHANGE but it's usually not a big fucking deal and I know that the only reason you took down the pressure is because you incorrectly believed that the tires were on the verge of popping. To further prove my point, you even make such an inane statement like "and yes i did raise it, not to 51, I'm not that stupid, but to about 45 and at that level it was bad, like driving on balloons.". What you don't get is, tire pressure difference between 35psi and 51psi will have no affect on the loading capacity of the vehicle.
Can you understand what the implication is of that fact? Here is a hint, if your tires don't wear unevenly at 35psi, they sure as hell won't get any worse at 51psi.

Everybody look out, Fleabag is psychic and knows what we're thinking when we change our tire pressures!

I'm still baffled, first he says he knows characteristics will change, like the other poster said was his complaint about over-inflation, but then fleabag says that no matter what the other guy said he was really worried about the tires popping from the higher pressures. He then goes off on a tangent about load capacity which nobody had ever mentioned. What the heck goes on inside this guy's head? It makes no sense.

Sorry but it doesn't work that way.. That's pretty much as bad as saying that going from 175/70-14 to 205/50-15 tires will somehow improve your braking distance assuming the tire compounds, pressure and load ratings are the same. This is false. Even if there is a smaller contact patch with the road, that contact patch now has more force upon it so braking distance should be the same assuming the road is in good condition and there aren't things in the road.

Unfortunately, fleabag is applying simple Coulomb friction to a situation where it doesn't apply that well. When you have two materials in contact that become conjoined due to the deformation of one or both into the surface of the other (like the rubber of a tire deforming into the nooks and crannies on the surface of asphalt) the area of the contact patch begins to matter. Otherwise we'd see racecars on skinny little tires because it wouldn't matter what the size of the contact patch was.

Interestingly enough, the way he's calculating friction is exactly how any high school student would learn it. I think we know what they've been covering in his summer school classes this week!
 
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