Explain Windows to me please

[Skaendo]

You guys, I swear lol.

Here are two things that neither side seems to be able to come to grips with:

(1) Some people use a actually like Windows 8/8.1! These people don't have to "settle" for anything. They simply like it.
(2) Some people actually hate Windows 8/8.1! Those people aren't morons or mentally challenged, they simply don't like it.

At this point every single thread that has anything to do with Windows ends up in this endless back and forth. While entertaining, not much gets accomplished. If you don't like Windows 8, great. If you love it, great. Just realize both sides are right and both sides are wrong, jump on the Peace Train and roll along.

I agree with you on the entertainment value of these threads. Maybe someone should start a thread called 'The 11 Windows 8/8.1 users vs. the world!'
J/K

 

[ControlD]

I agree with you on the entertainment value of these threads. Maybe someone should start a thread called 'The 11 Windows 8/8.1 users vs. the world!'
J/K

LOL! :thumbsup:

 

[Maximilian]

Lol yeah it can be fun to rile up the other camp :twisted:

 

[Mem]

It goes on to say......
Those with traditional PCs or 2-in-1s will get the Start menu by default. Those with tablets will get the Start screen by default.

Which I think is great, this is how a good hybrid OS should act IMO.

Yes but the user is allowed to change it in Win10 to their preference,again no right or wrong but what the user prefers,you can argue it's about choices and customisation ,win win for all .

 

[Mem]

Lol yeah it can be fun to rile up the other camp :twisted:

Lol you call this fun?..Fun is when I'm online in a FPS game kicking a sixteen years old ass and he finds out I'm over 50 lol....

Whatever floats your boat I guess .

 

[Skaendo]

Fun is when I'm online in a FPS game kicking a sixteen years old ass and he finds out I'm over 50 lol....

I do the same thing on COD BO2 but I'm only over 40.

 

[denis280]

Lol you call this fun?..Fun is when I'm online in a FPS game kicking a sixteen years old ass and he finds out I'm over 50 lol.... Whatever floats your boat I guess .

that is what i like.over 50 myself:thumbsup:

 

[ControlD]

that is what i like.over 50 myself:thumbsup:

This explains a lot. We are all a bunch of cranky old bastards (45 here) lol.

 

[HeXen]

I think Linux is better overall except for it's lack of commercial software and full library of games. Other than that I'm surprised more here don't prefer Linux, it's so much more versatile and customizable.
Persoanlly I prefer OSX to Windows as well. I just use Windows on my gaming rig for games of course.

The most obvious thing to me about people when discussing Windows..or any OS for that matter is that all they seem to focus on is the UI and not so much the actual OS and what kinds of things they can do with it. They just worry about how their icons look and how they can click on it.
How you people can stand the registry and how developers just do willy nilly whatever they want with fragmenting your OS with multiple folders scattered everywhere, entries, ini's, html links, startup items, services...etc when developing applications for Windows is beyond me.

 

[imagoon]

I think Linux is better overall except for it's lack of commercial software and full library of games. Other than that I'm surprised more here don't prefer Linux, it's so much more versatile and customizable.
Persoanlly I prefer OSX to Windows as well. I just use Windows on my gaming rig for games of course.

The most obvious thing to me about people when discussing Windows..or any OS for that matter is that all they seem to focus on is the UI and not so much the actual OS and what kinds of things they can do with it. They just worry about how their icons look and how they can click on it.
How you people can stand the registry and how developers just do willy nilly whatever they want with fragmenting your OS with multiple folders scattered everywhere, entries, ini's, html links, startup items, services...etc when developing applications for Windows is beyond me.

IE your issue with Windows is that app developers suck. Got it. Everything you listed is due to poor programing practice and really nothing to do with the OS itself.

I tend find the same thing in Linux. Where is the config file? Well it might be in /etc or /bin/theapp or /sbin/theapp or the home directory who knows! App installed? /bin/app /sbin/app /home/user/app. Want to manage a service? Yeah that could be done with any one of 3 service managers and their config files.... Also the config files a rarely anything close to each other, some might be XML, some might be raw text, some binary.

The only one that seems extremely consistent is OSX. I really like their handling of disk images and how the apps work. I just don't want to spend the premium to be in the Apple ecosystem.

Honestly I prefer Windows because I game and generally don't experience issues in it. I have had a single Windows image survive 2 machines. Windows devs do need to get their crap together though. Linux makes me just give up because I always have random issues with anything from wireless to disk management that are basically undocumented and I have to trudge through forums and hope I find some reference to the horribly worded error message.

 

[Raduque]

... Windows 8 / Server 2012 -> works well but metro is pointless. ... want to reboot... dick around trying to get the charms bar to pop out in the terminal service screen.

I honestly never understood putting ANY of the Modern UI components on a server. Although, now that I think about it, they probably did it to keep people from a Windows 2000 situation: Using a server/enterprise-oriented OS as a consumer OS (because people can't handle change and DEMAND the antiquated start menu still exist) and then complaining when things were broken.

What about all the people that went into their favorite store to buy a new PC and looked at the demo models on display running Win8 and said, Wow I don't like that,

I don't know anybody who did that. Everybody I talked to about Windows 8 said "I heard people say it's junk/garbage/whatever" not "I tried it and didn't like it" or "I didnt like the way it looks". Always "I heard it sucked".

 

[imagoon]

I honestly never understood putting ANY of the Modern UI components on a server. Although, now that I think about it, they probably did it to keep people from a Windows 2000 situation: Using a server/enterprise-oriented OS as a consumer OS (because people can't handle change and DEMAND the antiquated start menu still exist) and then complaining when things were broken.

Wah?

Change for the sake of change is pointless also. There is plenty of good changes in 8 / 8.1. It is just coupled with a lot more change that is less efficient. I consider the start screen antiquated. It is similar Windows 2.1 / 3.1. Bringing back something close to program manager and with the square boxes of 8 is step back in time. All we need is some CGA and EGA graphics to complete the look.

 

[escrow4]

What about all the people that went into their favorite store to buy a new PC and looked at the demo models on display running Win8 and said, Wow I don't like that, and didn't buy a PC with Win8 on it. You can't call people sheep like that. And you can't say the vast bulk never moved on because there never was a vast bulk of Win8 users. At the best Win8.1 had just over 7% of marketshare, that was Sept 2013, and it has pretty much been on a decline since.

Stores don't even have PCs on display anymore. Mine are basically all laptops. And the salesperson would likely be even stupider than the customer so its no surprise they couldn't figure out 8. Assuming they even gave it a chance. Which they didn't. Otherwise they'd be using it.

 

[Maximilian]

Lol you call this fun?..Fun is when I'm online in a FPS game kicking a sixteen years old ass and he finds out I'm over 50 lol....

Whatever floats your boat I guess .

MOBAs are better than FPS

 

[JasonRoberts]

There no much room of innovation. Windows has evolved with hardware. That's it. The OS does anything any other OS does. Supposedly, Windows 10 will do it better.

 

[zokudu]

I think Linux is better overall except for it's lack of commercial software and full library of games. Other than that I'm surprised more here don't prefer Linux, it's so much more versatile and customizable.
Persoanlly I prefer OSX to Windows as well. I just use Windows on my gaming rig for games of course.

The most obvious thing to me about people when discussing Windows..or any OS for that matter is that all they seem to focus on is the UI and not so much the actual OS and what kinds of things they can do with it. They just worry about how their icons look and how they can click on it.
How you people can stand the registry and how developers just do willy nilly whatever they want with fragmenting your OS with multiple folders scattered everywhere, entries, ini's, html links, startup items, services...etc when developing applications for Windows is beyond me.

I can't stand configuration files. I'm sorry but it takes me forever to find an example config showing a particular option I want not to mention the 40 mile long default configs, trying to find the one option I need to change. God forbid I typo something. Or those other applications with seemingly asinine defaults where you've got to comb over the config file with a comb to make sure it will run the way I want. Or an application with some game breaking bug at that time where I spend hours trying to configure it, blaming my inadequacies at syntax in those files only to find out it's just flat broken (Arch Linux VMWare drivers)

Config files sound great to some people but I find them really awful and will take a well designed GUI over them most times.

 

[Mem]

MOBAs are better than FPS

Multiplayer online battle arena ,I play those too .

 

[Mem]

There no much room of innovation. Windows has evolved with hardware. That's it. The OS does anything any other OS does. Supposedly, Windows 10 will do it better.

Windows is always evolving,some users don't understand that,hardware evolves so does the software side.
OS has to keep up with the times,Win8.1/Win10 reflect the needs of modern times , Windows will continue to evolve.


I don't want to get into preference part of the debate,but any old user here if they look back a few decades to the 1990s has seen quite a few changes.
It'll be interesting to see how far it will go in say twenty years time down the road.

I have been using Slackware Linux and nothing else for 12 years now

what has changed since Windows XP?

Since XP days I think security has been beefed up a lot (from Vista and above)and stability definitely improved since XP days.

 

[sweenish]

Currently Win8 is used by 4.66% of computers, Win 8.1, 5.57%.
While Win7 is at 44.01%.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/os-market-share.aspx?qprid=11

The world has spoken, and nearly no one likes Win8. Period. Get over that.

Windows 8 sold as much as Windows 7 in the first month of launch. By your logic, we should all be on XP still.

It literally takes years for any version of Windows to become the majority. People don't want to pay to upgrade, and they only get newer versions of Windows when they get new computers.

And your statistic completely ignores my argument that consumer acceptance or rejection has very little to do with actual quality. So, it's a pointless statistic currently.

It's also worth noting that "you guys" are the ones putting up a fence and creating an "us v. them" attitude. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm trying to get you to argue objectively and not lie about how difficult Windows 8 supposedly is.

You hate how it looks? Fine. That's your subjective opinion. You take that subjective opinion on appearance and use it as objective fact against the OS as a whole? Now you're just not arguing smart. I don't care if you like it or not. It doesn't affect how I sleep. I do care that you suck at arguing your point.

 

[Mem]

Windows 8 sold as much as Windows 7 in the first month of launch. By your logic, we should all be on XP still.

It literally takes years for any version of Windows to become the majority. People don't want to pay to upgrade, and they only get newer versions of Windows when they get new computers.

And your statistic completely ignores my argument that consumer acceptance or rejection has very little to do with actual quality. So, it's a pointless statistic currently.

It's also worth noting that "you guys" are the ones putting up a fence and creating an "us v. them" attitude. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm trying to get you to argue objectively and not lie about how difficult Windows 8 supposedly is.

You hate how it looks? Fine. That's your subjective opinion. You take that subjective opinion on appearance and use it as objective fact against the OS as a whole? Now you're just not arguing smart. I don't care if you like it or not. It doesn't affect how I sleep. I do care that you suck at arguing your point.

I think also some users forget piracy,I would not be surprised if pirated version of XP outselled legit version especially in China,fact is XP,Vista and even Win7 are easy to get illegal keys or loaders for which will activate long term,Win8 is very much harder.

 

[ControlD]

Windows 8 sold as much as Windows 7 in the first month of launch. By your logic, we should all be on XP still.

It literally takes years for any version of Windows to become the majority. People don't want to pay to upgrade, and they only get newer versions of Windows when they get new computers.

And your statistic completely ignores my argument that consumer acceptance or rejection has very little to do with actual quality. So, it's a pointless statistic currently.

This is a very good point.

Also, you have to think about how many desktops in the corporate world are running on Windows. That would be almost all. There are a lot of companies that are still migrating over to Windows 7. Even for those that are finished, it was a monumental effort for many to make that change. Most companies simply are not going to go through all that effort without a compelling reason (like XP support ending).

I believe Windows 8 was always doomed to fairly low sales numbers simply for the fact that the enterprise market was never going to use it anyhow, even if it was the greatest thing ever. I think MS knew this and was willing to make a huge change to gauge the reaction. They were hoping to grab a bigger portion of the mobile market (which didn't really happen) so the risk was worth it.

 

[sweenish]

My company only shifted to Windows 7 last year.

It was a big deal. And I think the only reason was parity with software our biggest customer was using required Windows 7. Even with support ending, I don't think they would have upgraded Windows XP. They just would have made their firewall more miserable. They still use IE8.

 

[Mem]

My company only shifted to Windows 7 last year.

It was a big deal. And I think the only reason was parity with software our biggest customer was using required Windows 7. Even with support ending, I don't think they would have upgraded Windows XP. They just would have made their firewall more miserable. They still use IE8.

Costs as well and possibly retraining depending on the user in question.

 

[Skaendo]

Windows 8 sold as much as Windows 7 in the first month of launch. By your logic, we should all be on XP still.

And your statistic completely ignores my argument that consumer acceptance or rejection has very little to do with actual quality. So, it's a pointless statistic currently.

Here is an intresting article from April 2013:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/windows-8-sales_n_3055157.html

"Unfortunately, it seems clear that the Windows 8 launch not only didn't provide a positive boost to the PC market, but appears to have slowed the market," IDC Vice President Bob O'Donnell said.

I think also some users forget piracy,I would not be surprised if pirated version of XP outselled legit version especially in China,fact is XP,Vista and even Win7 are easy to get illegal keys or loaders for which will activate long term,Win8 is very much harder.

It's just as easy to find pirated keys & activators for Win8 as is it any other version, search google for it, they are all over.

 

[Mem]

Here is an intresting article from April 2013:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/windows-8-sales_n_3055157.html
It's just as easy to find pirated keys & activators for Win8 as is it any other version, search google for it, they are all over.

I should of said harder for Win8,no OS is crack proof but some operating systems easier then others.

Regardless be interesting to see what Win10 has security wise in final build.