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monovillage

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In another perspicacious column by Peggy Noonan she points out some of the long term damaging results of this administrations manipulations of the IRS for their political ends.

Noonan: Fortress IRS
Agency stonewalling could permanently harm Americans' faith in government.


In all the day-to-day of the IRS scandals I don't think it's been fully noticed that the overall reputation of the agency has suffered a collapse, the kind from which it can take a generation to recover fully. In the long term this will prove damaging to the national morale—what happens to a great nation when its people come to lack even rudimentary confidence in the decisions made by the revenue-gathering arm of its federal government? It will also diminish the hope for faith in government, which whatever your politics is not a good thing. We need government, as we all know. Americans have a right to assume that while theirs may be deeply imperfect, it is not deeply corrupt. What harms trust in governmental institutions now will have reverberations in future administrations.

The scandals that have so damaged the agency took place in just the past few years, since the current administration began. And it is not Republicans on the Hill or conservatives in the press who have revealed the agency as badly managed, political in its actions, and really quite crazily run. That information, or at least the early outlines of it, came from the agency's own inspector general.

But the point is that it was all so recent. It doesn't take long to crater a reputation. The conferences, seminars and boondoggles in which $49 million was spent, including the famous "Star Trek" parody video—all that happened between 2010 and 2012. The targeting of conservative groups, the IRS leadership's public lies about it, the leaking of private tax information to liberal groups or journalists, the abuse of donor information—all that took place since the administration began, in 2009. Just this week, an inspector general report revealed excessive travel spending by a handful of IRS executives in 2011 and 2012.

All of it has produced the biggest IRS scandal since Watergate. Which makes it the second of only two truly huge scandals to be visited on the agency in its entire 100-year history. (The IRS began in its modern incarnation in 1913, the year the 16th Amendment was ratified.) And Watergate didn't kill the IRS's reputation, only Nixon's. The effect in terms of public approval can be seen in the polls. Fox News, in May, compared its recent IRS polling with its polling 10 years ago. In May 2003, just under a third of all respondents said they had little or no faith in the IRS—a high number, perhaps, but a cantankerously American one. In May 2013, that number had jumped to 57%. Around the time of Fox's 2013 poll, Gallup had 60% of Americans seeing the IRS as an agency that "frequently abuses its powers." And Gallup had 42% of respondents saying the IRS did a "poor" job, more than double the figure from 2009.

You might think at this point the White House might begin to think cleverly and strategically. That they would very showily give the scandal their time and attention—really give it some priority. That they might show daily indignation, and see to it that the IRS is utterly forthcoming with Congress. That would have two effects. First, it would help the IRS recover if the public saw it being responsive, as opposed to speaking in the usual word salad punctuated with "We have no comment." Second, it would help the Obama White House look responsive, responsible and actually interested in good governance.

Instead the president and his spokesman just run around and call the scandal phony. That's their big contribution: It's phony. It was better in the old days, 2½ months ago, when they feigned outrage.

But that is not what's happening. House investigators this week said they have in fact received less than 1% of the documents they have been asking for from the agency. The IRS itself at one point identified a whopping and rather intimidating 65 million documents that might be relevant to the tea-party scandal. To date—almost three months into the scandal became public—the House Ways and Means Committee says the IRS has turned over only 13,000 pages. And some of them were duplicates.

It's gone beyond what staff aides were, last month, calling "slow walking." Chairman Dave Camp said in a statement the IRS's actions look "a lot like obstruction." One aide said: "Patience is wearing thin."

Meanwhile, investigations continue, interviews are ongoing. Congressional investigators believe they have picked up an unusual amount of checking in with and requesting approval and guidance from the office of the IRS general counsel. They also believe they are picking up an intense level of decision making between that office and Lois Lerner, former head of the exempt organizations office. The committee is particularly interested in all correspondence and communications between the general counsel's office, the Treasury Department, and the White House. An observer might fairly say that the IRS appears to be stringing the story out, that they are more preoccupied with damage control than finding out what exactly happened in the tea-party scandal. Perhaps the agency, and the administration, is thinking that if they string the story out it may disappear into the summer. Maybe its momentum will be broken. Maybe people will begin to think, when they see an IRS headline on page B-12, that they've already read that story. Maybe slowing everything down will take the steam out of the entire investigation.

That might seem a politically astute move—not governmentally responsible but politically astute. Letting the story go forward in slow dribs and drabs won't help the IRS recover its reputation and begin to function in a healthy way, but it may limit immediate political damage to the administration.

But a slow walk of documents carries political risk. It may keep the story down, but it will keep it alive by keeping it from being resolved. Republicans on the Hill show no signs of losing interest. They seem anxious to stay on the story, for all the obvious reasons, both public-spirited and self-interested.

But they may begin issuing subpoenas. And if the story goes into the fall, and continues through the winter, perhaps even the spring, it will become an active drama within the 2014 election cycle.

Which would make the administration's recent moves not only governmentally lacking, but politically maladroit.

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Jhhnn

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In another perspicacious column by Peggy Noonan she points out some of the long term damaging results of this administrations manipulations of the IRS for their political ends.

Noonan: Fortress IRS
Agency stonewalling could permanently harm Americans' faith in government.




http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...e/declarations.html+&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Heh. First, assume facts not in evidence, extrapolate from there.

You've gotta be one of the easiest pander targets that Right Wing propagandists have ever encountered, a chump's chump.

Permanently harming people's faith in govt has been Repubs' goal for a very long while. Egalitarian Democracy and the Tyranny of the Wealthy are natural enemies.
 

ivwshane

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Man he sure likes op-ed articles!

You would think that at his age he could form his own opinions and do his own fact checking but I guess it's easier to just believe what people say when they say something you like.

Confirmation bias at its finest!
 

monovillage

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Man he sure likes op-ed articles!

You would think that at his age he could form his own opinions and do his own fact checking but I guess it's easier to just believe what people say when they say something you like.

Confirmation bias at its finest!

Do anything, run anywhere rather than post about the IRS scandal. You and the Democrat lickspittle Jhhnn will do anything to avoid the subject............... just like this administration is and it's good to see confirmation in the political polls that this scandal is going to hurt the Democrats in 2014.
 

Ldir

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Do anything, run anywhere rather than post about the IRS scandal. You and the Democrat lickspittle Jhhnn will do anything to avoid the subject............... just like this administration is and it's good to see confirmation in the political polls that this scandal is going to hurt the Democrats in 2014.

Just like Benghazi? These fake scandals hurt Republicans, not Democrats. They make you look like liars and idiots.
 

ivwshane

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Do anything, run anywhere rather than post about the IRS scandal. You and the Democrat lickspittle Jhhnn will do anything to avoid the subject............... just like this administration is and it's good to see confirmation in the political polls that this scandal is going to hurt the Democrats in 2014.

I've got 60 posts all dealing with this topic, I've done everything but run away.

Lol! You remind me of a scooby-doo villain, "if it weren't for those damn truth searching democrats this would have been a real scandal!".
 

Jhhnn

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Just like Benghazi? These fake scandals hurt Republicans, not Democrats. They make you look like liars and idiots.

OH My God! Benghaaaaaaaaazzziiiii!

For Righties, there's really only one "Scandal", & it's that the unthinkable has happened- There's an uppity "libruhl" halfbreed Ni@@er in the White House. It eats at 'em like a cancer, a cancer of their own minds.
 

werepossum

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I've got 60 posts all dealing with this topic, I've done everything but run away.

Lol! You remind me of a scooby-doo villain, "if it weren't for those damn truth searching democrats this would have been a real scandal!".
No wonder I'm having problems accessing Anandtech forums - the phrase "truth searching democrats" has broken the Internet!

OH My God! Benghaaaaaaaaazzziiiii!

For Righties, there's really only one "Scandal", & it's that the unthinkable has happened- There's an uppity "libruhl" halfbreed Ni@@er in the White House. It eats at 'em like a cancer, a cancer of their own minds.
The liberal deck - fifty-two race cards and a couple of jokers (in case you need to play the race card.)
 

ivwshane

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No wonder I'm having problems accessing Anandtech forums - the phrase "truth searching democrats" has broken the Internet!


The liberal deck - fifty-two race cards and a couple of jokers (in case you need to play the race card.)

If it talks like a racist and it walks like a racist it just might be a racist regardless if a race card is played
 

monovillage

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If it talks like a racist and it walks like a racist it just might be a racist regardless if a race card is played

This is the type of posts that you've been contributing, 60 of the most inane, bullshit mirkin posts this forum has ever seen. Just more diversion, obfuscation and "nothing to see here, please move along" crap.
 

Jhhnn

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No wonder I'm having problems accessing Anandtech forums - the phrase "truth searching democrats" has broken the Internet!


The liberal deck - fifty-two race cards and a couple of jokers (in case you need to play the race card.)

People do bring attitudes into their roles, slowing adaptive behavior. It is, in many respects, a cultural issue. Some people's attitudes don't deal well with change that challenges some core imagery, some integral part of their self image & worldview. It's a lot deeper than rational thought. A black man in the White House is something they never imagined, and it's been a shock to some very delicate machinery of the mind. It's fundamentally hard to deal with, and not everybody does it well at all.

A lot of formerly unthinkable things have & are happening, too, putting them into a defensive posture. Just sayin'.
 
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Fern

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Heh. First, assume facts not in evidence, extrapolate from there.
-snip-

I'm not sure what you're referring as "assuming facts not in evidence", but if it's the lack of cooperation from the IRS, well that's a fact. Even some Democrats are upset about it.

Camp and the ranking Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, Sander Levin, D-Mich., also sent a separate letter to Werfel on Wednesday asking about the lack of production of documents related to their May 14, 2013 request of all documents related to the targeting of organizations by the IRS. On June 4, the IRS said it had collected over 65 million pages of documents related to Camp and Levin’s request, but to date, the IRS has only provided 13,000 pages, some of which are duplicates.

http://www.accountingtoday.com/news...ials-Documents-Tea-Party-Scandal-67507-1.html

Fern
 

Jhhnn

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I'm not sure what you're referring as "assuming facts not in evidence", but if it's the lack of cooperation from the IRS, well that's a fact. Even some Democrats are upset about it.

Oh, please. This assumes facts not in evidence, and was quoted-

this administrations manipulations of the IRS for their political ends

What you're saying is that it doesn't have to be true to make a point, huh?
 

ivwshane

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This is the type of posts that you've been contributing, 60 of the most inane, bullshit mirkin posts this forum has ever seen. Just more diversion, obfuscation and "nothing to see here, please move along" crap.

I'm just keeping up with your level of quality. Perhaps I should post an op-Ed that feels the same way I do and you would approve.
 

buckshot24

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OH My God! Benghaaaaaaaaazzziiiii!

For Righties, there's really only one "Scandal", & it's that the unthinkable has happened- There's an uppity "libruhl" halfbreed Ni@@er in the White House. It eats at 'em like a cancer, a cancer of their own minds.
What utter nonsense. I couldn't care less that Obama was born in Kenya.:sneaky:

Did anybody ever claim that liberals didn't like Bush because he was white? Why can't we judge the content of the president's character without it being because he's black?

Do you remember Abu Ghraib? Remember the shit storm you liberal pukes were making about it?
 

Fern

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Oh, please. This assumes facts not in evidence, and was quoted-

this administrations manipulations of the IRS for their political ends

What you're saying is that it doesn't have to be true to make a point, huh?

If you're trying to say that the above bolded quote was in your post - look again (post #652) - it isn't.

Fern
 

buckshot24

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If it talks like a racist and it walks like a racist it just might be a racist regardless if a race card is played
I have no idea what race you are. I've concluded that you're a fucking moron without that bit of information. See, we can make judgements about people without it being about race.

So my question....

When did you discover that you like little Asian boys? Did you have to fight the urge for years or did you just surrender without a fight?
 

Jhhnn

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If you're trying to say that the above bolded quote was in your post - look again (post #652) - it isn't.

Fern

Post 652 has a direct quote of monovillage in post 651. It's only one sentence, fer chrissake!
 

Jhhnn

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What utter nonsense. I couldn't care less that Obama was born in Kenya.:sneaky:

Did anybody ever claim that liberals didn't like Bush because he was white? Why can't we judge the content of the president's character without it being because he's black?

Do you remember Abu Ghraib? Remember the shit storm you liberal pukes were making about it?

Which explains your constant reference to the Obamaphone lady who was even your avatar for a long while.

Willy Horton wasn't racist, either. You betcha. Uhh-huh.

Are you actually attempting the Chewbacca defense?
 

buckshot24

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Which explains your constant reference to the Obamaphone lady who was even your avatar for a long while.

Willy Horton wasn't racist, either. You betcha. Uhh-huh.

Are you actually attempting the Chewbacca defense?
I brought up the Obamaphone Lady because you were talking about dumb republican supporters. Do you think she is dumb? I won't accuse you of racism if you tell me she is. Or do you think she is intelligent? If there was a white person saying the same dumb shit I'd call her on it.

What the fuck does Willie Horton have to do with anything?

Here's another question for you. Do you think it is possible to criticize a black person without it being because of race?
 

Jhhnn

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I brought up the Obamaphone Lady because you were talking about dumb republican supporters. Do you think she is dumb? I won't accuse you of racism if you tell me she is. Or do you think she is intelligent? If there was a white person saying the same dumb shit I'd call her on it.

What the fuck does Willie Horton have to do with anything?

Here's another question for you. Do you think it is possible to criticize a black person without it being because of race?

It'd be difficult to document all the times you've referenced the Obamaphone lady, or how long you've held her as your avatar.

It panders to racist sentiment, as did Willie Horton.

Go ahead- play coy & get all huffy when called on it. You're not fooling anybody.
 

buckshot24

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It'd be difficult to document all the times you've referenced the Obamaphone lady, or how long you've held her as your avatar.

It panders to racist sentiment, as did Willie Horton.

Go ahead- play coy & get all huffy when called on it. You're not fooling anybody.
Ok so whenever anybody criticizes a black person it is because of racism. Got it.

What do you think of Clarence Thomas?
 

buckshot24

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So whenever your race baiting is challenged, you obfuscate. Got it.
Should I search for your racism? See how many times you've criticized black people?

If this isn't you then let us know.

Here is a poster named "Jhhnn" criticizing Clarence Thomas.

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=21243233&sid=9e1d806f6f4724a89910f00ab709a2eb#p21243233

Your racism is disgusting.

Here is another.

http://atforums.mobi/msg.php?threadid=2143445&catid=24&rnum=48

Here you call Herman Cain a Ni**er

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=21952061#p21952061

More racism against Cain.

http://atforums.mobi/msg.php?threadid=2197996&catid=24&rnum=178&STARTPAGE=2

After reading this filth I have one question for you. Do you starch your sheets or do you have to buy the suits with the pointy hat pre-installed?
 

ivwshane

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Should I search for your racism? See how many times you've criticized black people?

If this isn't you then let us know.

Here is a poster named "Jhhnn" criticizing Clarence Thomas.

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=21243233&sid=9e1d806f6f4724a89910f00ab709a2eb#p21243233

Your racism is disgusting.

Here is another.

http://atforums.mobi/msg.php?threadid=2143445&catid=24&rnum=48

Here you call Herman Cain a Ni**er

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=21952061#p21952061

More racism against Cain.

http://atforums.mobi/msg.php?threadid=2197996&catid=24&rnum=178&STARTPAGE=2

After reading this filth I have one question for you. Do you starch your sheets or do you have to buy the suits with the pointy hat pre-installed?


Lol! You should try harder!

If you put as much research into your other posts as you did this one, people probably wouldn't laugh when they read your posts
 
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