Exploding IRS scandal.

[zanejohnson]

it's funny because some of you are still holding fast to the "everythings ok, this is normal"

and i would say i'm a liberal democrat, but not in this democratic party.. this whole system is completely hijacked at this point...

we hear about fake news, we hear about how we're the best country in the world and God is leading our leaders, we, well MOST, people are in a modern day slave system, of neverending creation of debt, which is created out of debt, forever inflating the cost of ANYTHING, and to even BUY DEBT.

it's really quite simple, it's a way to create a giant gap between the well off, and the worker bees... it's a transition into nobility/peasantry..it's not one nation, it's the banking system that is doing it, the WORLDWIDE banking system... and it's not "per se" "on purpose" it's just what this system creates...

what is WASTING TIME is trying to take one side or the other in the illusion of the two party system.


you know what other country is using the exact same tactics??? or actually, you know what other country the people who really make the decisions are also utilizing these tactics??? North Korea.

yes you are almost the same as a north korean, especially when you start calling yourselves "patriots" and taking one side... that is straight up mind control people. you live in a country that is ISOLATED for the vast majority of people, the kids watch disney or nick, the dad's watch fox news or cnn, the wives watch hln or msnbc... and the other women programming (housewives, teenmom, etc)

and guess who has a monopoly on the media industry.. same guys who have a monopoly on everything else.. monsanto and co...

why them? just the way this system works... someone always ends up on top.. it's not like they "planned" this since biblical times or something..we are just a point where it's came to a head..

 

[kage69]

Agreed on all counts. Interestingly the IRS' targeting of liberal groups during the Bush administration drew nowhere near this level of hue and cry. http://www.salon.com/2013/05/14/when_the_irs_targeted_liberals/ Obviously that does not excuse the IRS' targeting of Tea Party groups, which should and will be fully investigated.

Yeah I keep trying to recollect all the outrage and spittle when the IRS went after the NAACP...hrmmmm, nothing.

I don't recall any right wing outrage when Cheney had the FBI spy on veteran's who were against the Iraq Invasion either. Support the troops! (unless they're retired)

Kicking effective employees out of the Justice Department because they didn't vote for Bush also produced barely a whisper from the same crowd that is treating this IRS issue like it's a Nixon-grade constitutional crisis.

Shucks, why it's almost like GOP types have huge double standards and aren't afraid (or embarrassed) to exercise them!

 

[Fern]

Agreed on all counts. Interestingly the IRS' targeting of liberal groups during the Bush administration drew nowhere near this level of hue and cry. http://www.salon.com/2013/05, /14/when_the_irs_targeted_liberals/ Obviously that does not excuse the IRS' targeting of Tea Party groups, which should and will be fully investigated.

Different thing.

They were being audited for their (actual) activities. They were chosen for audit based on complaints received about their activities and they allowed to continue to operate during their audit.

The TEA Party groups weren't even allowed to get started operating. They hadn't yet actually done anything so they sure as heck hadn't actually done anything wrong. They were chosen soley based upon their name, a criteria that's been condemned by the IG. There had been no complaints about their activities

Fern

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Kicking effective employees out of the Justice Department because they didn't vote for Bush also produced barely a whisper from the same crowd that is treating this IRS issue like it's a Nixon-grade constitutional crisis.

Shucks, why it's almost like GOP types have huge double standards and aren't afraid (or embarrassed) to exercise them!

Same whisper when Clinton fired all of 'em. No double standard at all.

Fern

 

[soundforbjt]

Different thing.

They were being audited for their (actual) activities. They were chosen for audit based on complaints received about their activities and they allowed to continue to operate during their audit.

The TEA Party groups weren't even allowed to get started operating. They hadn't yet actually done anything so they sure as heck hadn't actually done anything wrong. They were chosen soley based upon their name, a criteria that's been condemned by the IG. There had been no complaints about their activities

Fern

They didn't even have to file at all to begin with...

 

[Bowfinger]

Different thing.

They were being audited for their (actual) activities. They were chosen for audit based on complaints received about their activities and they allowed to continue to operate during their audit.

They were targeted due to their political ideology, making them very similar to the current IRS issue. The right was fine with that because they have no problem dishing it out.

The TEA Party groups weren't even allowed to get started operating. They hadn't yet actually done anything so they sure as heck hadn't actually done anything wrong. They were chosen soley based upon their name, a criteria that's been condemned by the IG. There had been no complaints about their activities

Fern

Once again, I'd like you to cite sources validating that claim. According to the IG report, 501(c)(4) groups are not even required to apply to the IRS. Based on various quotes and yesterday's testimony, it sounds like most of the groups were quite active while awaiting their approvals.

 

[Incorruptible]

Why yes I am a liberal. I'm a liberal because I believe in equal rights for women, minorities, and not just white men. I'm a liberal because I believe that laws should apply equally to the poor and middle class as they do the rich. I'm a liberal because I believe religion should not get to rule this country. I'm a liberal because I believe in economic policies that encourage growth, not just feed money to the rich while killing the poor. I'm a liberal because I'm NOT a racist or misogynist. I'm a liberal because I base all my beliefs on facts, not rage, hatred, or other biasing emotions. I'm a liberal, because I'm smarter than you.

That's BS and you know it. You're stereotyping your enemies as all the same. It's wrong to do this to Muslims but it's alright against Libertarians and Conservatives because they disagree with you?

You're against the Constitution so yes you are human garbage.

I've read your posts and you are not smarter than me. You only spew your BS on the internet because you're too much of a coward to do the real thing.

 

[Fern]

They didn't even have to file at all to begin with...

It's already been discussed numerous times how the lack of IRS tex exempt status can seriously hamper an orgs's ability to raise contributions. Heck, the IG's report even covers it.

Fern

 

[Fern]

They were targeted due to their political ideology, making them very similar to the current IRS issue. The right was fine with that because they have no problem dishing it out.

Says who?

In the article I last read it specifically mentioned the complaints and even who filed them. Those filing complaints were not associated with the govt but, IIRC, were 'watchdog type' groups.

Once again, I'd like you to cite sources validating that claim. According to the IG report, 501(c)(4) groups are not even required to apply to the IRS. Based on various quotes and yesterday's testimony, it sounds like most of the groups were quite active while awaiting their approvals.

Yes, I concede some could.

OTOH, others have testified they lost their grants due to the inability to achieve tax exempt status and could not operate.

Fern

 

[kage69]

Same whisper when Clinton fired all of 'em. No double standard at all.

Fern

If you're going to follow the practice back you'll have to accept that it started with Reagan.

I feel it's capricious and wrong no matter who does it, and I criticized Clinton and Reno at the time as well. But then Clinton wasn't adding insult to injury by then selecting inexperienced ideologues from 3rd tier schools to fill the positions. Yale? Princeton? Screw that, we need some Pat Robertson followers!

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you really believe it was just those low level workers in Cincinnati? It came from higher up.

Prove otherwise. Put up, or shut up.

 

[Fern]

If you're going to follow the practice back you'll have to accept that it started with Reagan.
-snip-

Yeah, I heard that too. (I don't remember it, but did read it.)

No matter whose done it it's never bothered me much. They serve at the pleasure of the President, so (s)he needs no reason to replace them. I suppose it could happen under circumstances that I would object to, though.

Fern

 

[piasabird]

The more corruption they find, the broader the and more thorough the investigation should become. I think they should make some of the people that went to the confrence pay back some of their Hotel Room Charges. We need to audit how they are spending money. That is Fraud and stealing. Anyone who files fraudulent claims against the government should not be allowed to work at the IRS. It is like a theif that works for the bank opening the mail looking for cash donations for the salvation army.

 

[monovillage]

This is fun, a MSNBC host says that "IRS" is the new N-word.
Just like in this forum the desperation from the left and the Obama apologists is delicious.

The GOP is using the term “IRS” in place of the term “n****r,” MSNBC host Martin Bashir claimed on his Wednesday show.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350279/msnbcs-martin-bashir-says-irs-new-nr-charles-c-w-cooke

 

[Fern]

Originally Posted by Incorruptible View Post
Do you really believe it was just those low level workers in Cincinnati? It came from higher up.

Prove otherwise. Put up, or shut up.

It's in the IG's report.

E.g., the Technical Management group in Washington DC was involved. (They were advising the special team looking at the apps targeted under the new program.)

In the IG's report you'll find a chart of all IRS offices referenced in the report. (See pg 29, it's appendix V.) I can't confirm (really just means I don't feel like reviewing the danged report again) but think this means that they are involved. This goes all the way to the Deputy Commissioner for Services and Enforcement, who reports to the IRS Commissioner. I also can't say what they're involvement was regarding since I'm not rereading it again.

Fern

 

[highland145]

This is fun, a MSNBC host says that "IRS" is the new N-word.
Just like in this forum the desperation from the left and the Obama apologists is delicious.



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350279/msnbcs-martin-bashir-says-irs-new-nr-charles-c-w-cooke

That sure as heck is degrading to blacks.

 

[piasabird]

They need to quit asking questions of liars. Just seize all the records and look for the cases that appear abusive and ask point blank questions on a case by case basis. It is obvious they need a list of all applications and some information about each case and then look at the number of cases that are liberal and conservative and see if there is a pattern of abuse. Just asking general questions will never get them anywhere. They have to have facts.

 

[monovillage]

They need to quit asking questions of liars. Just seize all the records and look for the cases that appear abusive and ask point blank questions on a case by case basis. It is obvious they need a list of all applications and some information about each case and then look at the number of cases that are liberal and conservative and see if there is a pattern of abuse. Just asking general questions will never get them anywhere. They have to have facts.

The country needs a Special Prosecutor, the majority of Americans want one and know it's needed, but the Obama apologists continue to duck and weave and spin their lies out in order to avoid it.

 

[werepossum]

I'm no IRS fan but the attempt to blame any wrong doing on the federal government directly on the president is retarded.

The fail isn't pointing out what the IRS did, the fail is trying to pin it directly on Obama with no proof.

I'd agree except for one thing - the head of the IRS during this period met with White House staff an astounding number of times. Hard to imagine that someone as flip as this son of a bitch, who asserted that the IRS has the right to treat not-for-profit groups completely differently based on political ideology, just coincidentally went to the White House much more often than any of his successors while he was blatantly using his department for political advantage. Other than that, this began right after Obama released his enemies list of big contributors to conservative groups and falsely called them criminals. That should have been enough to inspire the ideologues in the IRS to action without Obama or his staffers needing to do anything illegal.

Is that what you think happened? Who used the IRS as a political weapon?

Dude, we could strap magnets to your ass and have free green energy for the whole country they way you are spinning.

Nobody is stupid enough to believe that the IRS simply coincidentally took action to force conservative groups to a higher standard in raising and spending money without any attempt to do so as a political weapon.

it's funny because some of you are still holding fast to the "everythings ok, this is normal"

and i would say i'm a liberal democrat, but not in this democratic party.. this whole system is completely hijacked at this point...

we hear about fake news, we hear about how we're the best country in the world and God is leading our leaders, we, well MOST, people are in a modern day slave system, of neverending creation of debt, which is created out of debt, forever inflating the cost of ANYTHING, and to even BUY DEBT.

it's really quite simple, it's a way to create a giant gap between the well off, and the worker bees... it's a transition into nobility/peasantry..it's not one nation, it's the banking system that is doing it, the WORLDWIDE banking system... and it's not "per se" "on purpose" it's just what this system creates...

what is WASTING TIME is trying to take one side or the other in the illusion of the two party system.


you know what other country is using the exact same tactics??? or actually, you know what other country the people who really make the decisions are also utilizing these tactics??? North Korea.

yes you are almost the same as a north korean, especially when you start calling yourselves "patriots" and taking one side... that is straight up mind control people. you live in a country that is ISOLATED for the vast majority of people, the kids watch disney or nick, the dad's watch fox news or cnn, the wives watch hln or msnbc... and the other women programming (housewives, teenmom, etc)

and guess who has a monopoly on the media industry.. same guys who have a monopoly on everything else.. monsanto and co...

why them? just the way this system works... someone always ends up on top.. it's not like they "planned" this since biblical times or something..we are just a point where it's came to a head..

I fear there's a lot of truth in this, and worst of all, unlike the North Korean citizens we're doing it to ourselves. No matter which party is in power, it slips D.C. a little more power knowing that a third of the nation will defend it.

 

[Matt1970]

This is fun, a MSNBC host says that "IRS" is the new N-word.
Just like in this forum the desperation from the left and the Obama apologists is delicious.



http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/350279/msnbcs-martin-bashir-says-irs-new-nr-charles-c-w-cooke

The only thing worse than the right blowing it out of proportion is the left saying they are doing it because of race.

Believe me if Obama's hands are dirty, it will be uncovered. Conservatives need to keep it in your pants for awhile longer. This article appears to be a case of premature ejaculation.

That’s just it right there. Heads should roll over this but let’s make sure it’s the right heads. Obama can’t be held responsible for every single pee-on that works for the government. Until there all the details are brought out let’s not make any assumptions.

 

[Fern]

-snip-
Dude, we could strap magnets to your ass and have free green energy for the whole country they way you are spinning.

LOL

Fern

 

[Darwin333]

I'm no IRS fan but the attempt to blame any wrong doing on the federal government directly on the president is retarded.

The fail isn't pointing out what the IRS did, the fail is trying to pin it directly on Obama with no proof.

I am no fan of Obama at all and I must agree. Until such time that real evidence comes out that says Obama was even remotely aware of what some jackasses at the IRS were doing I don't see how any rational person could pin it on him. Shrug, this is politics though so par for the course I guess.

 

[soundforbjt]

I'd agree except for one thing - the head of the IRS during this period met with White House staff an astounding number of times. Hard to imagine that someone as flip as this son of a bitch, who asserted that the IRS has the right to treat not-for-profit groups completely differently based on political ideology, just coincidentally went to the White House much more often than any of his successors while he was blatantly using his department for political advantage.

Except those multiple meeting were to discuss ACA and the IRS's role in it. Nice try though.

 

[werepossum]

Except those multiple meeting were to discuss ACA and the IRS's role in it. Nice try though.

Maybe. I know that's what he said, but then he's hardly going to admit that he was colluding with higher-ups even if he were doing so.

 

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