Explosion in central Oslo, Norwegian Primeminister's Office was hit.

[GarfieldtheCat]

And, of course, you have proof of PJ's comments, right?

Here's the link for your searching convenience:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2020795

Oh wait, you're just making shit up to try and prove yourself correct!

There was this comment:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2022617&page=2

But it still not what you are crying about.

Don't say stuff you merely *think* is true.

Gee, I guess you can't read can you? When I quote something, I am not making it up. PJ's post is here,#176 in this very thread. Guess you missed that, huh? (bold mine)

Did that guy commit murder because he hated liberals or because he was crazy?

What happened today is not the behavior of a rational human being just as the Arizona shooting wasn't nor the VaTech shooting either. These types of crimes are commit by people with serious psychological problems that go well beyond their political leanings.

Muslim terrorists have long term goals in mind when they commit their acts of violence. People like this have no long term goal instead they are just lashing out against people who they feel have wronged them in some way.

And if you had read my later post, I did quote from the Ft Hood thread. Se my post in this thread here.

First off, you can apologize for calling me a liar since I didn't make up one comment.

So no, I didn't make anything up, I quoted exactly what PJ himself wrote. And it shows that he claims Muslim terrorism for the Ft Hood shooting, and claimed Muslim terrorism for Norway, but then bailed out once proved wrong, and started claiming extremism. Which BTW, is what 4-5 other posters all did. Once it became a white right-winger that did it, terrorism dropped off the face of the earth, and he became a crazy person. That is a double standard, and his own (and others here as well) posts show that.

Look at the early posts...it went "Muslim terrorist" -> "crazy guy" ->"right winger? Let's stop the blame game". Funny how that works only in some cases.

 

[Infohawk]

If one compares massacred children to Hitler, one is certainly fair game to be compared to this terrorist who is responsible for murdering far fewer people.

I don't approve of it but it's not the same as terrorism or advocating terrorism.

 

[JD50]

Is it terrorism or not? Answer the fucking question instead of trying to weasel your way out of it.

Your post indicated you didn't think so. In this fucking country, an animal rights extremist who bombs an empty animal testing lab, killing nobody, is considered a terrorist. You're telling me that a rightwing nutjob who targets people because they're liberals isn't one? You are delusional.

NOT a terrorist:

Ok, I see what the problem is now. You don't understand things that don't fit your black and white view of the world. I wouldn't necessarily consider someone a terrorist unless they're part of a larger group. I don't really consider a person acting alone a terrorist, regardless of their political beliefs. This is all semantics anyways, you can call that guy a terrorist if you'd like, doesn't bother me one bit.

My issue is with people trying to say that there's no difference between a lone crazy person and someone that's part of a larger terrorist organization.

You're still ignoring the fact that you've made fun of people for years because they fear muslim extremists, now you're telling us that you're "terrified" of christian extremists. You're doing exactly what you've accused everyone else of doing.

 

[Phokus]

Ok, I see what the problem is now. You don't understand things that don't fit your black and white view of the world. I wouldn't necessarily consider someone a terrorist unless they're part of a larger group. I don't really consider a person acting alone a terrorist, regardless of their political beliefs. This is all semantics anyways, you can call that guy a terrorist if you'd like, doesn't bother me one bit.

My issue is with people trying to say that there's no difference between a lone crazy person and someone that's part of a larger terrorist organization.

You're still ignoring the fact that you've made fun of people for years because they fear muslim extremists, now you're telling us that you're "terrified" of christian extremists. You're doing exactly what you've accused everyone else of doing.

LMAO, since when did i say not to fear muslim extremists? We put a lot of resources into fighting islamic terror. Maybe you're misconstruing me being against torture and NOT FUCKING ATTACKING COUNTRIES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING TERRORISM as saying 'don't worry about islamic terrorism!'

MEANWHILE, Obama stupidly bowed down to pressure from Conservatives when DHS CORRECTLY called out the threat of rightwing extermism. Remember that? Where's the political will to root out domestic rightwing terrorism? THERE IS NONE:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us/25debate.html?pagewanted=2&_r=4&ref=global-home

In 2009, when the Department of Homeland Security produced a report, “Rightwing Extremism,” suggesting that the recession and the election of an African-American president might increase the threat from white supremacists, conservatives in Congress strongly objected. Janet Napolitano, the homeland security secretary, quickly withdrew the report and apologized for what she said were its flaws.

You not calling out a terrorist who killed liberals because they thought they were ruining the country? If most people think the way you do, then the word "Terrorist" become a meaningless word.

 

[Phokus]

Um, Wolf was talking about Beck. While it's also unfair to compare Beck to someone who just murdered near a hundred people, it's fair in this case considering that Beck himself just compared almost seventy murdered youths to the Hitlerjugend based on superficial similarities in organization and purpose. (I didn't hear it myself, but I'm trusting Wolf's take.) If one compares massacred children to Hitler, one is certainly fair game to be compared to this terrorist who is responsible for murdering far fewer people.

Here's the audio:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201107250006

Disgusting

 

[Phokus]

From the Maine Tea Party website (it was later taken down):

From Ander's manifesto:

We, the European Revolutionary Conservatives know very well that it will take many years, even decades before we successfully manage to consolidate to a degree where we can seize political and military power in the first Western European country. In the US, the Tea party movement is one of the first physical, political manifestations which indicate that there is a great storm coming. The creation of similar conservative organizations, even the creation of revolutionary conservative movements … is about to materialize. The cultural Marxists are losing their momentum to our advantage.

 

[Taejin]

Oh I'm sorry I didnt know you visit the site.
Yes I assumed the race traitor thing because of what I had previously read about these groups
I want to know as much as I can about these groups, but i can't bring myself to actually go there and read
Just clicking there is like supporting them, same thing with the man boy sites etc

Apart from their weird ideas of race and self-aggrandizing racism (with generous helpings of blacks are bad, jews are worse, asians are okay but stay away from us plz), the site is rather tame. I visit stormfront occasionally to see what the crazies are talking about; I'm asian myself so its mostly out of curiosity.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ok, I see what the problem is now. You don't understand things that don't fit your black and white view of the world. I wouldn't necessarily consider someone a terrorist unless they're part of a larger group. I don't really consider a person acting alone a terrorist, regardless of their political beliefs. This is all semantics anyways, you can call that guy a terrorist if you'd like, doesn't bother me one bit.

My issue is with people trying to say that there's no difference between a lone crazy person and someone that's part of a larger terrorist organization.

You're still ignoring the fact that you've made fun of people for years because they fear muslim extremists, now you're telling us that you're "terrified" of christian extremists. You're doing exactly what you've accused everyone else of doing.

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/terrorist
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist
ter·ror·ist   
[ter-er-ist] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person, usually a member of a group, who*uses or advocates terrorism.
2.
a person who terrorizes *or frightens others.
3.
(formerly) a member of a political group in russia*aiming at the*demoralization of the government by terror.

But yes, The word terrorist really became blurred in the media on this side of the pond with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan

 

[JD50]

LMAO, since when did i say not to fear muslim extremists? We put a lot of resources into fighting islamic terror. Maybe you're misconstruing me being against torture and NOT FUCKING ATTACKING COUNTRIES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH FIGHTING TERRORISM as saying 'don't worry about islamic terrorism!'

MEANWHILE, Obama stupidly bowed down to pressure from Conservatives when DHS CORRECTLY called out the threat of rightwing extermism. Remember that? Where's the political will to root out domestic rightwing terrorism? THERE IS NONE:



You not calling out a terrorist who killed liberals because they thought they were ruining the country? If most people think the way you do, then the word "Terrorist" become a meaningless word.

No, the word terrorist becomes a meaningless word when you apply it to every single person that commits a crime because of some misguided political ideology and aren't acting as part of a larger group. I don't consider every single IED attack against American troops "terrorist attacks." I don't consider every single murder committed by a muslim extremist a "terrorist attack." I'm sorry that you have such a hard time understanding this. I see you've gone into full on CAPS RANT MODE!!!! so I'll leave you be.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Apart from their weird ideas of race and self-aggrandizing racism (with generous helpings of blacks are bad, jews are worse, asians are okay but stay away from us plz), the site is rather tame. I visit stormfront occasionally to see what the crazies are talking about; I'm asian myself so its mostly out of curiosity.

I wonder what this guy liked about the site then.
He was pro Israel

 

[JD50]

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/terrorist
noun
a person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist
ter·ror·ist   
[ter-er-ist] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person, usually a member of a group, who*uses or advocates terrorism.
2.
a person who terrorizes *or frightens others.
3.
(formerly) a member of a political group in russia*aiming at the*demoralization of the government by terror.

But yes, The word terrorist really became blurred in the media on this side of the pond with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan

You can call every single extremist a terrorist if you'd like, but then the term starts to lose it's meaning.

Why are you even arguing over semantics like this?

 

[JD50]

Original Earl, do you consider every single attack against American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan terrorist attacks?

 

[Phokus]

You can call every single extremist a terrorist if you'd like, but then the term starts to lose it's meaning.

Why are you even arguing over semantics like this?

"usually", doesn't mean always.

Also, i love how you bolded the 3rd part and skipped the rest:

(formerly) a member of a political group in russia*aiming at the*demoralization of the government by terror.

Yeah that's real relevant.

Here's another definition from the same dictionary.com link:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

World English Dictionary
terrorist (ˈtɛrərɪst)

—n
a. a person who employs terror or terrorism, esp as a political weapon
b. (as modifier): terrorist tactics

And what do they say about terrorism?

ter·ror·ism   
[ter-uh-riz-uhm] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

No mention of groups

 

[JD50]

Thank you Phokus, I understand the meaning of the word usually. Do you consider every single attack against American troops a terrorist attack?

 

[Phokus]

No, the word terrorist becomes a meaningless word when you apply it to every single person that commits a crime because of some misguided political ideology and aren't acting as part of a larger group. I don't consider every single IED attack against American troops "terrorist attacks." I don't consider every single murder committed by a muslim extremist a "terrorist attack." I'm sorry that you have such a hard time understanding this. I see you've gone into full on CAPS RANT MODE!!!! so I'll leave you be.

That's because troops are in combat operations and they aren't civilians. Are you this stupid? (rhetorical)

Deployed Troops != Unitarian church members going about their own business.

Edit:

Answers the post you just made right now too:

Thank you Phokus, I understand the meaning of the word usually. Do you consider every single attack against American troops a terrorist attack?

you are dumb.

 

[Jaskalas]

Absolutely disgusting. The rightwing are trying to wash their hands of this.

You're trying your damndest to bloody our hands, when we damn well would put our lives on the line to stop terrorists like that. Your actions go far beyond disgusting, wanting us to be terrorists.

 

[JD50]

That's because troops are in combat operations and they aren't civilians. Are you this stupid? (rhetorical)

Deployed Troops != Unitarian church members going about their own business.

Edit:

Answers the post you just made right now too:





you are dumb.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

1. the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.

2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.

3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.

I don't see anything that says a terrorist attack must be made against a civilian otherwise it doesn't count. Civilians and contractors have also been attacked by "terrorist" countless times in Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess those count too. Maybe you should make a list of actions that don't count as terrorism, it'd probably be a shorter list. That's your link and your definition of terrorism. Thanks for playing.

I think that if you call every single extremist that acts alone, and is not part of a larger group, a terrorist, you devalue the meaning of the word. I understand that you disagree with that. Your foaming at the mouth posting style is a little unsettling.

Edit - I don't really have a problem with calling this a terrorist attack or calling him a terrorist due to the scale. I still don't think it's correct say this is exactly the same as a terrorist that is acting as part of a larger group. For some reason you keep ignoring that point. Don't bother, you'd rather rant about evul conservatives than actually discuss anything.

 

[Jadow]

First off, this is utterly horrible, this guy deserves to be tortured to death.

That being said, what about all of Norway's anti-gun laws? How did this guy get guns?

Also, WTF, the cops in Norway don't have guns and have to get permission from the police chief to check out a firearm? WTF!

 

[JD50]

You're trying your damndest to bloody our hands, when we damn well would put our lives on the line to stop terrorists like that. Your actions go far beyond disgusting, wanting us to be terrorists.

Of course, he'd only be happy if the right embraced this guy and his actions.

 

[woolfe9999]

Really, has Beck talked about starting a race war or advocated that people attack government buildings or deported all Muslims? Because if he has I'd be interested to see links. Otherwise I'm thinking he's not that extreme and that it's unfair to lump him in with a terrorist who he calls crazy. You don't generally call people crazy that you agree with.

Now you're being really hypocritical and extremely inconsistent. Beck barely even mananged to condemn this act to begin with. He said "crazy man" and had nothing further to say about the shooter. He then proceeded on a tirade about how damaging the victims' ideology is to Europe, and referred to the camp with the kids who were murdered as Hitler youth. His comments reaked of apologia for this act. The same or worse than most of these qualifying remarks you hear from Muslim organizations, you know, the ones who criticize US foreign policy after one of these attacks? It's an exact parallel and you're making excuses for him. I get it, so if you agree with the shooter's general anti-Muslim attitude, then his tactics are unfortunate, but it's too bad those multi-culturalists just couldn't keep their trap shut or this wouldn't have happened. I get what you're saying, that Beck is not as extreme as the shooter. The apologist isn't as bad is as the perp. Just like the Muslims who makes excuses, but you're hearing none that distinction when it comes to them. Mmm hmm.

 

[Phokus]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism



I don't see anything that says a terrorist attack must be made against a civilian otherwise it doesn't count. Civilians and contractors have also been attacked by "terrorist" countless times in Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess those count too. Maybe you should make a list of actions that don't count as terrorism, it'd probably be a shorter list. That's your link and your definition of terrorism. Thanks for playing.

I think that if you call every single extremist that acts alone, and is not part of a larger group, a terrorist, you devalue the meaning of the word. I understand that you disagree with that. Your foaming at the mouth posting style is a little unsettling.

The troops and Al Quaeda in Iraq or Taliban are trying to kill each other in WAR. It's not to 'intimidate or coerce each other' 'especially for political purposes'. You're being EXTREMELY daft.

"Civilians and contractors have also been attacked by "terrorist" countless times in Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess those count too."

Blackwater contractors? No, that's not terrorism, they're basically private military. Some contractor trying to fix up the oil pipeline? Yes, that's closer to terrorism.

 

[Phokus]

Of course, he'd only be happy if the right embraced this guy and his actions.

Some are more honest about it than others:

 

[Phokus]

You're trying your damndest to bloody our hands, when we damn well would put our lives on the line to stop terrorists like that. Your actions go far beyond disgusting, wanting us to be terrorists.

Oh really?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/25/us...ef=global-home

In 2009, when the Department of Homeland Security produced a report, “Rightwing Extremism,” suggesting that the recession and the election of an African-American president might increase the threat from white supremacists, conservatives in Congress strongly objected. Janet Napolitano, the homeland security secretary, quickly withdrew the report and apologized for what she said were its flaws.

Maybe you should call your GOP rep and express your outrage.

 

[JD50]

The troops and Al Quaeda in Iraq or Taliban are trying to kill each other in WAR. It's not to 'intimidate or coerce each other' 'especially for political purposes'. You're being EXTREMELY daft.

"Civilians and contractors have also been attacked by "terrorist" countless times in Iraq and Afghanistan, I guess those count too."

Blackwater contractors? No, that's not terrorism, they're basically private military. Some contractor trying to fix up the oil pipeline? Yes, that's closer to terrorism.

Wait a minute, so what you're telling me is that you can't go strictly by the definition in the dictionary??

 

[JD50]

Some are more honest about it than others:

<snip>

So which is it? Is it "disgusting" when the right denounces these attacks or is it "disgusting" when they post things like that?