Explosion in central Oslo, Norwegian Primeminister's Office was hit.

[Lonbjerg]

I'll try to summarize:


[*]He is a lone wolf terrorist

Unproven.

[*]Beck is an asshole for what he said

Yup.

[*]Dems want blood on conservative hands over the massacre

Keep stupid US internal politics out of this.

[*]This is a US forum, plagued by US politics

It's not just the forum that is plauged by US politics.

[*]What happened in Norway is a terrible evil

Yup, it was terror.

[*]People should have the means to self defense, or at the very least nearby armed guards

No we don't want as many murder per capita as in the US here in Scandinavia...failed solution is fail.

[*]Why are 600+ people at a youth political camp completely exposed and unprotected?!

[*]

Because we don't have free gunlaws in Scandinavia...and thus have far fewer killngs compared to eg. the US.
Again, failed soultion is fail.

Police took 90 minutes to respond, absolutely abhorrent and unacceptable for the loss of life caused by that

You are a dick.
The police were on the mainland outside the island after 25 mins.
They (local police)deemed that they needed backup and heli-support so they didn't walk blind into an ambush and thus contacted Oslo for a "SWAT" team.
SWAT team arrived for 15 mins and took 15 min to sail over to the island.

Stop lying about 1½ hours respond time when you don't have the facts.

[*]Execute the terrorist
[/QUOTE]

Why, he won't suffer then?
And we don't kill people in Scandinavian...get with the prorgram


And stop posting again untill you can post facts.

 

[Phokus]

I'll try to summarize:

• Execute the terrorist

Doubt it'll happen, Norway is a civilized society. The best punishment is for Anders to see Norway go in the opposite direction that he wants it to and that's what it sounds like they're going to do:

"Our answer is more democracy, more openness, and more humanity but never naivety." - Norway's PM

Life imprisonment + no public statements to the media + watching Norway stay open and free would be the best punishment. You think terrorists care about death? Norway is responding the right way, unlike the US.

 

[Jaskalas]

And stop posting again untill you can post facts.

You seem awfully upset over the idea that the Scandinavians shouldn't be sheep to the slaughter, that murderous animals should be stopped and put down.

It took 90 minutes to stop him, when he shouldn't have made it 5 minutes.

Opinion / Fact

Learn the difference, this is a forum full of ideas with talking heads who give you their opinion as I have. You should get used to it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Doubt it'll happen, Norway is a civilized society. The best punishment is for Anders to see Norway go in the opposite direction that he wants it to and that's what it sounds like they're going to do:

"Our answer is more democracy, more openness, and more humanity but never naivety." - Norway's PM

Life imprisonment + no public statements to the media + watching Norway stay open and free would be the best punishment. You think terrorists care about death? Norway is responding the right way, unlike the US.

I don't care what terrorists think about killing them.

You speak of him seeing his own country, from a prison cell? Do tell what kind of luxurious life he'll have where he gets that sort of access to the outside world, a full and long life lived comfortably and paid for by the survivors of the people he murdered.

Of course they won't execute him, but they damn well should. You can't tell me they got the wrong guy. You can't tell me he didn't mean to do it. Put him down, that is our duty to society.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Execute the terrorist

Why, he won't suffer then?

Execute the terrorist

Doubt it'll happen, Norway is a civilized society.

Again, the justification for not executing someone is to prolong their suffering. How is schadenfreude more civilized than a quick, painless death to remove a monster from the burdens of society?

 

[zinfamous]

just when I thought AT couldn't get more petty, we have people here trying to argue that this guy isn't a terrorist.

why? is it some macabre association that some of you have, actually sympathizing with some of this nutter's beliefs?

this thread is a disaster.

 

[Phokus]

I don't care what terrorists think about killing them.

You speak of him seeing his own country, from a prison cell? Do tell what kind of luxurious life he'll have where he gets that sort of access to the outside world, a full and long life lived comfortably and paid for by the survivors of the people he murdered.

Of course they won't execute him, but they damn well should. You can't tell me they got the wrong guy. You can't tell me he didn't mean to do it. Put him down, that is our duty to society.

Death is not a 'punishment' to a terrorist. It speaks more of your savagery and bloodlust than anything he would feel. Again, Norway is a civilized country. The greatest punishment is him seeing that Norway rejected his political goals/ideology and not giving him a soapbox to spew his hate, while being irrelevant inside of his prison for the rest of his life.

 

[werepossum]

Death is not a 'punishment' to a terrorist. It speaks more of your savagery and bloodlust than anything he would feel. Again, Norway is a civilized country. The greatest punishment is him seeing that Norway rejected his political goals/ideology and not giving him a soapbox to spew his hate, while being irrelevant inside of his prison for the rest of his life.

Wow, really? The "best punishment" for this human-shaped rabid animal is exactly what would happen to him had he killed no one - except that he goes from being an irrelevant but free loser to being a famous but imprisoned irrelevant loser?

 

[woolfe9999]

Wow, really? The "best punishment" for this human-shaped rabid animal is exactly what would happen to him had he killed no one - except that he goes from being an irrelevant but free loser to being a famous but imprisoned irrelevant loser?

I think what he's suggesting is that since the killer is a pathalogical narcissist who believes his killing spree is a grand gesture that will change the European political landscape, it is "punishment" that he isn't getting what he wanted, that he gave up his freedom for nothing.
Personally I'd rather see him rot for life but that's just me.

 

[Phokus]

Wow, really? The "best punishment" for this human-shaped rabid animal is exactly what would happen to him had he killed no one - except that he goes from being an irrelevant but free loser to being a famous but imprisoned irrelevant loser?

Yes. The reason for the attack was so he could create radical political change. If he's so ideologically passionate about destroying multiculturalism in Norway that he'd commit mass murder, it would be a FAR greater punishment to let him see that Norway rejected his ideals and there's not a damn thing he can do about it in his prison cell. It would eat away at his soul to see that. Giving him the needle is the easy way out.

 

[Jaskalas]

just when I thought AT couldn't get more petty, we have people here trying to argue that this guy isn't a terrorist.

That's simply a matter of arguing terms. Thus far he acted alone, so the question becomes - is any mass murderer a terrorist? It's a perfectly legitimate debate.

why? is it some macabre association that some of you have, actually sympathizing with some of this nutter's beliefs?

Of course, we all must be terrorists. That's the only answer you've come up with for this.

this thread is a disaster.

It's full of terrorists!

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes. The reason for the attack was so he could create radical political change. If he's so ideologically passionate about destroying multiculturalism in Norway that he'd commit mass murder, it would be a FAR greater punishment to let him see that Norway rejected his ideals and there's not a damn thing he can do about it in his prison cell. It would eat away at his soul to see that. Giving him the needle is the easy way out.

How does one see his country from inside a prison cell?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That's simply a matter of arguing terms. Thus far he acted alone, so the question becomes - is any mass murderer a terrorist? It's a perfectly legitimate debate.

Of course, we all must be terrorists. That's the only answer you've come up with for this.

It's full of terrorists!

When someone kills to attempt to advance a political/idealogical agenda it's terrorism. This wasn't just for kicks. This was with a (twisted) purpose.

 

[Phokus]

How does one see his country from inside a prison cell?

They have TV and newspapers. He doesn't need to be outside of prison to know that his revolution is not taking place.

 

[JD50]

So now you agree the fucker is a white, christian terrorist?

Yes, for the 4th of 5th time, going by the broad definition that any sort of attack involving political ideology is considered terrorism, this guy is a terrorist. And for the 4th or 5th time, my only issue was with people claiming that lone extremist conservatives, acting on their own, are no different than terrorists acting as part of a larger terrorist group. FFS, Phokus and I weren't even going back and forth about this incident, he was going on about some other shit that happened in the US. "Terrorism" and "terrorist" are not black and white terms, I'm sorry that some of you have such a hard time grasping this concept.

Why are you having such a difficult time understanding what I'm saying? If English isn't your first language then I can understand why you're having difficulty, but you might want to think about that next time you go wishing someone die a fiery death over words on an internet message board.

This thread is full of crazy, I'm outta here.

 

[JD50]

just when I thought AT couldn't get more petty, we have people here trying to argue that this guy isn't a terrorist.

why? is it some macabre association that some of you have, actually sympathizing with some of this nutter's beliefs?

this thread is a disaster.

Who are you referring to? I'm not sure I saw anyone claim that this guy isn't a terrorist, but it's a long thread and I didn't go back and read over every post.

 

[zinfamous]

Of course, we all must be terrorists. That's the only answer you've come up with for this.

It's full of terrorists!

terrorists? no.

mental midgets? yes.

 

[zinfamous]

Who are you referring to? I'm not sure I saw anyone claim that this guy isn't a terrorist, but it's a long thread and I didn't go back and read over every post.

jaskalas et al.

it's not simply whether or not someone denies the notion--the simple fact that anyone thinks it is worth debating the terms.

ultra shallow.

I honestly think they have a kernel of retard in their brain that won't allow them to define "terrist!" without "brown skin!" or "muslim!" attached to it.

 

[Nebor]

jaskalas et al.

it's not simply whether or not someone denies the notion--the simple fact that anyone thinks it is worth debating the terms.

ultra shallow.

I honestly think they have a kernel of retard in their brain that won't allow them to define "terrist!" without "brown skin!" or "muslim!" attached to it.

I don't know that that's true. Certainly most people considered the IRA fighting the British Army to be terrorists. Any small group of people acting against a Western power by employing terror to achieve their political goals, I would consider a terrorist.

In this case, since there's no more of this guy, just like with Timothy McVeigh, I have a hard time thinking of them as a terrorist. Their actions achieve no political goals without the implied threat of future attacks. We just shake our heads and go "what a nut." Honestly school shooters have a greater political impact on nations (look at gun control resulting from school shooting in UK, Australia, US) than this Norwegian fellow or Timothy McVeigh, and they don't even HAVE a political agenda OR any organization that links them together.

 

[JD50]

jaskalas et al.

it's not simply whether or not someone denies the notion--the simple fact that anyone thinks it is worth debating the terms.

ultra shallow.

I honestly think they have a kernel of retard in their brain that won't allow them to define "terrist!" without "brown skin!" or "muslim!" attached to it.

Why is it shallow to debate the true meaning of what a terrorist is? Or do you mean it's shallow to argue that in this thread?

 

[senseamp]

Is Peter King going to hold hearings on domestic Conservative extremism like he did on Muslims?

 

[Infohawk]

Is Peter King going to hold hearings on domestic Conservative extremism like he did on Muslims?

Did you read that on one of your blogs? Why would he give conservative extremism the same amount of time? It's not as big as an issue. Again, take a body account of terrorist acts on American soil and then take into account per capita rates and than divide the hearings according terrorist deaths per Muslim and terrorist deaths per conservative / Christian.

 

[senseamp]

Did you read that on one of your blogs? Why would he give conservative extremism the same amount of time? It's not as big as an issue. Again, take a body account of terrorist acts on American soil and then take into account per capita rates and than divide the hearings according terrorist deaths per Muslim and terrorist deaths per conservative / Christian.

So he's waiting for a bigger body count.

 

[Infohawk]

So he's waiting for a bigger body count.

I really don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Nebor]

So he's waiting for a bigger body count.

I would.

This isn't really terrorism without the (likely, foreseeable) prospect of it happening again in the future. It will have no impact on political processes or outlooks.