Explosion in central Oslo, Norwegian Primeminister's Office was hit.

[Arglebargle]

Very interesting to read all the thud and blunder here, before any evidence showed up. Will be interesting if this turns out to be the result of a hardcore conservative, or perhaps an anti-muslim individual. Yes?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

They are now saying at least 80 killed at the youth camp. Just sickening.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43854355/ns/world_news-europe/

 

[Arglebargle]

So...

Is it better to know that this was a home grown crazy or worse?

I guess as home grown it is much more likely to be a one time event.

Always interesting to see the conclusions people will jump to. Yes?

I would imagine the perpetrator had some sort of ideology that powered all this. Do you think that's relevent?

 

[ProfJohn]

The island story is horrible.

Stuck with a gunman and no place to go but the water and a long ass swim to shore.

Can see why he was able to kill so many people.

 

[ProfJohn]

I would imagine the perpetrator had some sort of ideology that powered all this. Do you think that's relevent?

I highly doubt ideology matters at this point.

You don't commit mass murder over zone rules or immigration laws. Anyone who does something on this scale has problems far beyond political beliefs.

Most likely we will learn that this guy had all kinds of other problems.

 

[Phokus]

I highly doubt ideology matters at this point.

You don't commit mass murder over zone rules or immigration laws.
Anyone who does something on this scale has problems far beyond political beliefs.

Most likely we will learn that this guy had all kinds of other problems.

Why not?

Example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting#Motivations

Adkisson, a former private in the United States Army from 1974 to 1977, says that he was motivated by hatred of Democrats, liberals, African Americans and homosexuals.[2][9][10] According to a sworn affidavit by one of the officers who interviewed Adkisson on July 27, 2008:[3]

“ During the interview Adkisson stated that he had targeted the church because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of major media outlets. Adkisson made statements that because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would then target those that had voted them into office. Adkisson stated that he had held these beliefs for about the last ten years. ”
Additionally, one of Adkisson's former wives had been a member (in the 1990s) of the church where the attack occurred.[11]

Adkisson's manifesto[12] also cited the inability to find a job, and that his food stamps were being cut. His manifesto stated that he intended to keep shooting until police arrived and expected to be killed by police. Adkisson had a waist satchel with more ammunition, totaling 76 shells of #4 shot.

In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate,[12] and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America [12] of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.

 

[PottedMeat]

They are now saying at least 80 killed at the youth camp. Just sickening.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43854355/ns/world_news-europe/

i was thinking 80 was a typo and they meant 8, but i guess not...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356

 

[Arglebargle]

I highly doubt ideology matters at this point.

You don't commit mass murder over zone rules or immigration laws. Anyone who does something on this scale has problems far beyond political beliefs.

Most likely we will learn that this guy had all kinds of other problems.

Or perhaps firing up the Blame Shifter? How many of the arguments in this thread are beginning to look a little threadbare?

Though I agree, anyone who does something like this has serious problems. And Norway isn't even lacking in good mental health care, from what I recall....

 

[MomentsofSanity]

i was thinking 80 was a typo and they meant 8, but i guess not...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356

That's what I was hoping when I read it on a Norwegian blog a it was breaking. Sadly it appears the number is going to near 100 or more when all is said and done.

Good thing the thread is more focused on partisanship and religious debate.....

 

[StinkyPinky]

80 people. That is staggering.

A 15-year-old camper named Elise said she heard gunshots, but then saw a police officer and thought she was safe. Then he started shooting people right before her eyes.

 

[woolfe9999]

More info is starting to filter through in the Norwegian media:


Link

His Facebook page apparently identifies him as a 'conservative christian' so you guys can stop blaming the muslims and jews for this one.

I admit to being surprised by this because I have never heard that Norway had any home grown extremists. However, if it wasn't a Muslim extremist my next best guess would have been some sort of Christian fundie.

 

[senseamp]

Religion of peace...

 

[SandEagle]

so every corporate media that was screaming muslims are liars. no credibility whatsoever.

 

[jackstar7]

The island story is horrible.

Stuck with a gunman and no place to go but the water and a long ass swim to shore.

Can see why he was able to kill so many people.

Glad you're no longer thinking that Europeans need more nightmarish events like this one.

 

[mrjminer]

so every corporate media that was screaming muslims are liars. no credibility whatsoever.

I didn't read any articles that said anything beyond not knowing who was behind the attacks, or that there was no known motive. Maybe you should go spread your libel elsewhere?

 

[Phokus]

I didn't read any articles that said anything beyond not knowing who was behind the attacks, or that there was no known motive. Maybe you should go spread your libel elsewhere?

I watched CNN and they were speculating "MOOOOOOSLIM JIHADIST", even after it was released on the 'net that it was a blonde norwegian.

 

[SandEagle]

I didn't read any articles that said anything beyond not knowing who was behind the attacks, or that there was no known motive. Maybe you should go spread your libel elsewhere?

thats because youre closed minded. i bet u only checked foxnews.. grown a brain

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I didn't read any articles that said anything beyond not knowing who was behind the attacks, or that there was no known motive. Maybe you should go spread your libel elsewhere?

Not corporate media, but Michael Savage is running "Muslims bomb Norway" and "Norway's Quisling Moment" right now. Not surprising since he immediately blamed the VirginiaTech massacre on Muslims as well. Just looking at internet forums it's easy to see the prejudice that many people hold in such cases.

(Admittedly I was expecting a swarthy bearded dude as well.)

 

[Phokus]

This is ALLEGEDLY the attacker's WoW Character.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/search?q=conservatism

Appropriately named, if true.

Edit: A post he made on the forums a year ago:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/917102640?page=3#41

"Norway, Oslo, male, 31"

 

[Balt]

They are now saying at least 80 killed at the youth camp. Just sickening.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43854355/ns/world_news-europe/

Jesus F'in Christ

It's unfortunate the alleged perp allowed himself to be taken alive, since there's no chance he'll be put to death for this atrocity.

 

[Mr. President]

I highly doubt ideology matters at this point.

You don't commit mass murder over zone rules or immigration laws. Anyone who does something on this scale has problems far beyond political beliefs.

Most likely we will learn that this guy had all kinds of other problems.

Ideology is incredibly important at this point. Just assuming that the guy had mental issues is sweeping the issue under the rug.

You can take anything from muslim radicals to abortion clinic bombers to Bader-Meinhof to modern nationalists and, in all cases, it's not a matter of mental illness but of political agenda. The truth of the matter is simply that all ideologies can be radicalized enough to trigger such acts. And that includes self-professed conservative Christians who (for some baffling reason) sometimes take their hatred of liberals to such ridiculous extremes as seems to have happened in Oslo.

But what bothers me the most isn't that this guy labels himself a conservative Christian. Anyone with the slightest bit of sense knows that this isn't typical behaviour. What does bother me is that the type of people who often complain about a lack of outcry from muslim communities over terrorist acts now seem to be refusing to address this act in exactly the same fashion.

And what genuinely scares me is that, just a week ago, I would have thought no more of this guy than the average liberal hating loon that I see almost daily on message boards and forums. Any ideology that allows enough hate to breed over its agenda will almost inevitably see a repeat of today's events.

It's not mentally ill people that are the problem; it's the otherwise-sane-but-still-completely-crazy people that are.

Edit:

Not corporate media, but Michael Savage is running "Muslims bomb Norway" and "Norway's Quisling Moment" right now. Not surprising since he immediately blamed the VirginiaTech massacre on Muslims as well. Just looking at internet forums it's easy to see the prejudice that many people hold in such cases.

(Admittedly I was expecting a swarthy bearded dude as well.)

And Michael Savage is a prime example of the above.

 

[senseamp]

Conservatism strikes again.

 

[Nintendesert]

I bet his mom taking away his WoW account is what drove him to this.

 

[JD50]

Speaking of jumping out ahead, you and your douchebag conservative ilk were practically jerking off to killing Muslims and we don't even know all the facts yet. You're a disgusting bunch of shits.

Reminds me of the liberals and the Gabby Giffords shooting. People like you, on both sides, are pathetic.

 

[mrjminer]

So you guys think all news organizations were speculating, or are pissed that they were reporting the speculations of others, like they do with EVERY CASE OF ANYTHING? Perhaps a statement similar to this: "officials are looking into the possibility of it being <insert name or group here>?"

Anyways, you guys seem to sound surprised that news will report the speculation of people that were there, or people in charge of investigations. When the majority of bombings in public areas occur by a specific subgroup of people, guess who will be on the suspect list?

NEWSFLASH: Newspapers report information provided to them by others, more at THE EXISTENCE OF THE FIRST REPORTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.

thats because youre closed minded. i bet u only checked foxnews.. grown a brain

I didn't read any news stories at all that said the attacks were done by Muslims. I read Reuters and CNN. What did you read? Joe Schmoe's: This Is Not A Blog But News newspaper? I think the closed minded one is you, since you, apparently, interpret phrases like "reports are coming in," "officials are," "many have asked," or "authorities are" when talking about something as "we at <the news orginization> have proven the culprit is <the most likely fucking suspect(s) currently being looked at> without any proof because we exist to state facts we create without evidence, and do not merely relay information provided to us by others (with the exception of investigative reporting)."