Explosion in central Oslo, Norwegian Primeminister's Office was hit.

[ProfJohn]

Why not?

Example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting#Motivations

Did that guy commit murder because he hated liberals or because he was crazy?

What happened today is not the behavior of a rational human being just as the Arizona shooting wasn't nor the VaTech shooting either. These types of crimes are commit by people with serious psychological problems that go well beyond their political leanings.

Muslim terrorists have long term goals in mind when they commit their acts of violence. People like this have no long term goal instead they are just lashing out against people who they feel have wronged them in some way.

 

[woolfe9999]

Ideology is incredibly important at this point. Just assuming that the guy had mental issues is sweeping the issue under the rug.

You can take anything from muslim radicals to abortion clinic bombers to Bader-Meinhof to modern nationalists and, in all cases, it's not a matter of mental illness but of political agenda. The truth of the matter is simply that all ideologies can be radicalized enough to trigger such acts. And that includes self-professed conservative Christians who (for some baffling reason) sometimes take their hatred of liberals to such ridiculous extremes as seems to have happened in Oslo.

But what bothers me the most isn't that this guy labels himself a conservative Christian. Anyone with the slightest bit of sense knows that this isn't typical behaviour. What does bother me is that the type of people who often complain about a lack of outcry from muslim communities over terrorist acts now seem to be refusing to address this act in exactly the same fashion.

And what genuinely scares me is that, just a week ago, I would have thought no more of this guy than the average liberal hating loon that I see almost daily on message boards and forums. Any ideology that allows enough hate to breed over its agenda will almost inevitably see a repeat of today's events.

It's not mentally ill people that are the problem; it's the otherwise-sane-but-still-completely-crazy people that are.

Edit:



And Michael Savage is a prime example of the above.

Spot on.

 

[ProfJohn]

And what genuinely scares me is that, just a week ago, I would have thought no more of this guy than the average liberal hating loon that I see almost daily on message boards and forums. Any ideology that allows enough hate to breed over its agenda will almost inevitably see a repeat of today's events.

Spare us the holier than thou BS.

There is as much hatred come from the left as there is the right.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Geeze, what a tragedy. Europe really needs to pay more attention to these types of extremists. Hopefully the death toll doesn't go up over 100. It's just shocking that one man could kill so many people.

 

[CanOWorms]

Did that guy commit murder because he hated liberals or because he was crazy?

What happened today is not the behavior of a rational human being just as the Arizona shooting wasn't nor the VaTech shooting either. These types of crimes are commit by people with serious psychological problems that go well beyond their political leanings.

Muslim terrorists have long term goals in mind when they commit their acts of violence. People like this have no long term goal instead they are just lashing out against people who they feel have wronged them in some way.

Far-right violence in Europe is quite organized, on par with Muslim terrorism. They have long-term goals in mind when they commit their acts of violence as well.

 

[SandEagle]

So you guys think all news organizations were speculating, or are pissed that they were reporting the speculations of others, like they do with EVERY CASE OF ANYTHING? Perhaps a statement similar to this: "officials are looking into the possibility of it being <insert name or group here>?"

Anyways, you guys seem to sound surprised that news will report the speculation of people that were there, or people in charge of investigations. When the majority of bombings in public areas occur by a specific subgroup of people, guess who will be on the suspect list?

NEWSFLASH: Newspapers report information provided to them by others, more at THE EXISTENCE OF THE FIRST REPORTER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.



I didn't read any news stories at all that said the attacks were done by Muslims. I read Reuters and CNN. What did you read? Joe Schmoe's: This Is Not A Blog But News newspaper? I think the closed minded one is you, since you, apparently, interpret phrases like "reports are coming in," "officials are," "many have asked," or "authorities are" when talking about something as "we at <the news orginization> have proven the culprit is <the most likely fucking suspect(s) currently being looked at> without any proof because we exist to state facts we create without evidence, and do not merely relay information provided to us by others (with the exception of investigative reporting)."

you sound like an intelligent guy and make a good point. for belittling you, i apologize.

 

[mrjminer]

you sound like an intelligent guy and make a good point. for belittling you, i apologize.

Everyone thinks without thinking sometimes, but at least you have the class to admit you did it. :thumbsup:

 

[ProfJohn]

One father said he received a text from his daughter saying: "There is gunfire, I am hiding."

Can you imagine receiving that text message??

I am done pointing fingers. This is horrible and we should be ashamed to be spending time trying to blame each others ideology for this.

 

[Mr. President]

Spare us the holier than thou BS.

There is as much hatred come from the left as there is the right.

Did you miss the point?

It's why I explicitly italicized the any ideology part. Near as I can tell, you're trying to distance yourself from this to suit your own. The fact that you ignored the greater context despite my genuine effort to be neutral is symptomatic of exactly what I was talking about.

Edit:

Hell, I even mentioned Bader-Meinhof in my post which should clue in anyone who knows his history that my post included left-wing radicals.

 

[ProfJohn]

I am done with the blame game and this topic.

80+ people are dead due to the actions of a mad man. That is all one has to say.

 

[StinkyPinky]

The face of pure madness

You wouldn't even look twice at him.

 

[SilthDraeth]

I am done with the blame game and this topic.

80+ people are dead due to the actions of a mad man. That is all one has to say.

QFT

Sad day.

 

[woolfe9999]

Damn. The death toll was at 9 for the youth center shooting a couple hours ago and now it's risen to 80. What a horrible trajedy.

I don't understand how one person is responsible for both attacks in separate places.

 

[Jaskalas]

Jesus F'in Christ

It's unfortunate the alleged perp allowed himself to be taken alive, since there's no chance he'll be put to death for this atrocity.

As an American, I have no qualms putting this creature out of its misery.

Though he would make for a fascinating psychological lab rat to study. We could get a great deal of info from him first.

 

[Jaskalas]

6.09pm: NRK is reporting that an unknown group called "Helpers of the Global Jihad" have posted a message that this is only the beginning of the reaction to Norwegian periodicals publishing the Muhammed cartoons, according to Andrew Boyle, a journalist in Norway.

I'm shocked. This is my shocked face.

Was the killer responsible for the 'announcement' from this unknown group? Did he try and pin it on Muslims, thus fed the news report?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Was the killer responsible for the 'announcement' from this unknown group? Did he try and pin it on Muslims, thus fed the news report?

Doubtful. Groups make false claims for atrocious acts all the time in an effort to try to get press for their name. No way of knowing oft areas Oates by a known group of some douchebag in his parents basement trying to be cool.

He went from bombing to shooting to custody. I doubt he stopped to post that notice.

 

[Jaskalas]

Doubtful. Groups make false claims for atrocious acts all the time in an effort to try to get press for their name. No way of knowing oft areas Oates by a known group of some douchebag in his parents basement trying to be cool.

He went from bombing to shooting to custody. I doubt he stopped to post that notice.

Nonsense. You could post something for the authorities to find before the attack occurs. You could have means to communicate while in transit from one location to the other. Could simply just make a stop in-between. In today's world, thinking he couldn't transmit the false flag info is quite a limited imagination.

OTOH, it would be quite a statement for a group to knowingly claim responsibility if they actually exist. Then you still have to consider if the bombing and the shooter were connected or not.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Nonsense. You could post something for the authorities to find before the attack occurs. You could have means to communicate while in transit from one location to the other. Could simply just make a stop in-between. In today's world, thinking he couldn't transmit the false flag info is quite a limited imagination.

OTOH, it would be quite a statement for a group to knowingly claim responsibility if they actually exist. Then you still have to consider if the bombing and the shooter were connected or not.

Didn't say it was impossible. I said it was improbable given the chaotic nature of his actions.

 

[jackstar7]

I am done with the blame game and this topic.

80+ people are dead due to the actions of a mad man. That is all one has to say.

Dang. I was still hoping to see you apologize for stating that tragedies like this one needed to happen more in order to convince people to subscribe to your ideology.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Dang. I was still hoping to see you apologize for stating that tragedies like this one needed to happen more in order to convince people to subscribe to your ideology.

Nice one

The guy said that Geert Wilders' PVV in the Netherlands was the only real party that defended conservative values in Europe.
And Wilders is a close friend with the Tea Party, which as he says shares his ideology.

He was known to be active on the internet, expressing extremist Islamophobic views on forums and criticizing immigration policies.

He recently claimed that politics today was not about socialism vs. capitalism but nationalism vs. internationalism. He argued on a Swedish news website that the media were not critical enough about Islam and claimed that Geert Wilders' Party for Freedom in the Netherlands was the only "true" party of conservatives.

He argued that socialism was breaking down traditions, culture, national identity and other societal structures and that this in turn made society weak and confused.

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpps/new...ay-terror-suspect-dpgonc-20110722-kh_14255246

 

[Rudee]

80+ people are dead due to the actions of a mad man. That is all one has to say.

The most notorious madman would be Stalin. (23 million ppl) followed by Hitler (12 million ppl). Nonetheless, this guy definitely lost his marbles. What a horrific thing to do to innocent human beings.

 

[iGas]

The most notorious madman would be Stalin. (23 million ppl) followed by Hitler (12 million ppl). Nonetheless, this guy definitely lost his marbles. What a horrific thing to do to innocent human beings.

You could be right but some source claimed:

Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) -- 49-78,000,000 people.

Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) -- 19-20,000,000 people.

 

[Lonbjerg]

must be those white, extremist christians.

Infact...it was.

 

[Doppel]

So horrific. Putting him to death will accomplish nothing, the feat is done. Cornering them on an island is a special kind of cruel. It's amazing they have him alive.

 

[WelshBloke]

So horrific. Putting him to death will accomplish nothing, the feat is done. Cornering them on an island is a special kind of cruel. It's amazing they have him alive.

Right wing Christian extremists aren't as committed as right wing Islamic extremists?

I'm glad they got him alive, they need to find out if who else he was in contact with that thinks the same way.