Explosion reported at Brussel airport

[FerrelGeek]

I have NO faith in our government. What you describe is what SHOULD happen, but it won't. Only widows and orphans?? BS.

Considering the screening that genuine refugees need to go through (UN Camp, interviews with UN, interviews with State Dept, not choice in what country they get sent to; and the kind that Obama was speaking about), I'm not particularly worried about them. There are real people that want no part in the fighting caught in the middle of this conflagration and it's the right thing to do. Plus, from a national security perspective, it will aide us in our soft power when we stand up and do the morally right thing.

And at least some of the Paris attackers were also French or Belgian nationals. So I don't see how stopping refugees would even stop such attacks.
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It's terrible what happened in Belgium today. Hearing about the Belgium government in recent months, it sounds like they need to get their shit together. There is too much infighting between the different language groups in Belgium, leading to vast inefficiencies in their government (to say the least).

 

[waggy]

Yes, because borders are magical things that stop bad people.

Even if ~13m Syrian refugees didn't exist, ISIS would still be doing what they're doing. If you think that helping people who are fleeing war is a bad thing, you have a right to your opinion (I just hope you don't attempt to claim the moral high ground on any topic at any point soon), but those refugees have to go somewhere. Would you prefer to have that many people running around with little to lose (PS - people with little to lose are much more vulnerable to radicalization of any sort) and with no reason to hold you and your nation in any positive regard?

One other note - when developed nations attempt to wash their hands of a mass refugee problem with NIMBY-ist thinking, situations like Israel/Palestine occur.

ROFL.

would ISIS still be trying to poke Europe and the US? hell yes. would they have such success if they didn't allow the rfugess? fuck no.

 

[Atreus21]

Yes, because borders are magical things that stop bad people.

Yes, just like laws are when they're enforced.

 

[Jaskalas]

ROFL.

would ISIS still be trying to poke Europe and the US? hell yes. would they have such success if they didn't allow the rfugess? fuck no.

September 11th did not need any refugee crisis or ISIS.
Our borders are far too open towards countries of violence.
Until that is changed in a rather... absolute... way, then such terrorists are free to immigrate.

 

[sm625]

Ultimately what it comes down to is that you dont bring in people from low IQ nations. This is a mistake that europe is paying for and will continue to pay for for a very long time. There is a reason some countries have an average IQ of 110 while certain other countries have an average IQ of 70.

 

[Hugo Drax]

September 11th did not need any refugee crisis or ISIS.
Our borders are far too open towards countries of violence.
Until that is changed in a rather... absolute... way, then such terrorists are free to immigrate.

So the answer is double and triple down on bringing in 100K or more immigrants from the middle east into the US.

 

[Jaskalas]

So the answer is double and triple down on bringing in 100K or more immigrants from the middle east into the US.

That's the answer of those who want to see Western countries burn.

 

[mikeymikec]

Thats fine and dandy. Its good you want to let in the population of the middle east into your EU and give them a big helping hand. If you want to help thats fine just be prepared for the occasional explosions as the cost of doing business.

You're equating refugees with terrorists as well as engaging in an unhealthy dose of hyperbole.

Yes, just like laws are when they're enforced.

Wow, you think that if law is properly enforced, there is no lawlessness?

 

[waggy]

So the answer is double and triple down on bringing in 100K or more immigrants from the middle east into the US.

sounds like a really good idea doesn't it? considering it only took 13 to cause 9/11...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I have NO faith in our government. What you describe is what SHOULD happen, but it won't. Only widows and orphans?? BS.

When Obama framed the Syrian refuges as merely 'widows and orphans' I was incredulous regarding this blatant lie...yet hardly anyone even lifted an eyebrow. I tired of being lied to.

 

[z1ggy]

Paging Donald Trump. I'd really like to know how he feels about this one.

 

[Hugo Drax]

The sad thing is according to UN reports the majority of "Syrian" refugees were men, yet for some reason the media would only show women and children. Why would the Media not show what is actually happening VS trying to bias the reporting.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Yes, because borders are magical things that stop bad people.

If you treat it as a real line instead of an imaginary magical line, then yes, it can help keep bad people out. The horde of Muslims should be treated as invaders and not refugees. European countries should be securing their borders with force. If they try to enter the country by force and not respect the laws, a country can't be afraid to respond with force. They are not your people and there are many that most likely want to harm your people. Your duty as a leader is to protect your people, not protect everyone. Once your people becomes second priority to some suspect foreigners, you are lost. Countries have a military for a reason. Start using them to protect your own land.

 

[tynopik]

Obama wants them here as well.

And because of that and the events in Belgium, Trump will get more supporters.

good

if he gets enough supporters maybe some 'real' politicians will come to their senses and we won't have to rely on clowns to point out the obvious

 

[FerrelGeek]

No one is confusing terrorists with refuges. The problem comes where there is no good way to filter out the terrorists hiding among the refuges. US law does indeed have a well defined vetting process for refuges. Go look at Title 8, sections 1158 and 1182 (iirc, those are the correct sections). The problem is that it will be difficult at best to perform the vetting process on the people that our government want to bring here and as I stated in a prior post, I have no faith at all that they'll even try to vet them.

You're equating refugees with terrorists as well as engaging in an unhealthy dose of hyperbole.

Wow, you think that if law is properly enforced, there is no lawlessness?

 

[dank69]

no, they just need to let more radicals in, give them more free stuff, and hugs. And then everyone will live together in peace.

What evidence do you have that refugees took part in these attacks?

 

[tynopik]

Wow, you think that if law is properly enforced, there is no lawlessness?

so we shouldn't enforce any laws at all because some people will still break them?

 

[FerrelGeek]

Asked...

The sad thing is according to UN reports the majority of "Syrian" refugees were men, yet for some reason the media would only show women and children. Why would the Media not show what is actually happening VS trying to bias the reporting.

And answered...

When Obama framed the Syrian refuges as merely 'widows and orphans' I was incredulous regarding this blatant lie...yet hardly anyone even lifted an eyebrow. I tired of being lied to.

 

[tynopik]

What evidence do you have that refugees took part in these attacks?

whether they're technically a 'refugee' or not is irrelevant

the important point is 'muslim immigrant'

 

[boomerang]

Ultimately what it comes down to is that you dont bring in people from low IQ nations. This is a mistake that europe is paying for and will continue to pay for for a very long time. There is a reason some countries have an average IQ of 110 while certain other countries have an average IQ of 70.

Yeah, but how are we going to explore the universe using warp drive technology when we have all these borders and stuff?

Until the world grows a pair and pushes or shoves if necessary, people with the SJW mindset out of the way, we're going to be at the mercy of radical religious fundamentalists that are bent on killing everyone that doesn't worship their god. The answer is for the good people of the world to work together to eliminate the bad people. That would take us closer to the desired utopia than hoping for inbred assholes to somehow get smarter.

If the world wants the universe explored by warp drive technology the shortest path at this point in human development appears to be the annihilation of those that are holding us back. We either address the problem or we live with it. The nations of the world need to decide and we'll need a new president before there is a possibility of the U.S. being on board.

In the meantime we'll get to listen to people like sportage blame people who no longer have the power to change anything rather than the people in power that do.

We can stop this but it will result in some severe feather-ruffling of those most deeply in denial. Until we decide to tell them fuck you, we're taking care of this it will continue. It's really as simple as that.

 

[jackstar7]

You're still more likely to die from choking on your food than in a terrorist attack.

Try not to panic, dipshits.

 

[TheSlamma]

You're still more likely to die from choking on your food than in a terrorist attack.

Try not to panic, dipshits.

Exactly.. nothing to see here, just radical religion doing what it does best.

 

[DrunkenSano]

You're still more likely to die from choking on your food than in a terrorist attack.

Try not to panic, dipshits.

Tell that to the people who died in these terrorist attacks. Tell that to the family and friends of those that perished while you try to sweep these 'incidents' under a rug. The real dipshit is in the mirror you look at.

 

[dank69]

so we shouldn't enforce any laws at all because some people will still break them?

Reductio ad absurdum used as a straw man. Nobody in this thread has suggested we shouldn't enforce any laws.

 

[dank69]

Tell that to the people who died in these terrorist attacks. Tell that to the family and friends of those that perished while you try to sweep these 'incidents' under a rug. The real dipshit is in the mirror you look at.

The price we pay as a society in exchange for our liberties. Do you think we can stop this from ever happening again? How would we accomplish that?