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michal1980

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I'm so thankful for President Obama right now. His Obama doctrine clearly realizes the further away we get from the middle east.. the better we are but of course conservaterrorists want to flame him for it.


His doctrine sure has worked out well for Europe


You ever think about the fact that as we buy less mideast oil, the people there will be even poorer and more isolated which will make them just as if not more angry
 
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Also you stop importing people known to be sympathetic to their cause



The problem is that support of terrorism among muslims isn't limited to the 'radical fringe', it's practically mainstream

Fully a quarter of muslims believe that terrorist attacks against civilians can be justified

that sounds a bit like hyperbole...
 

MongGrel

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his liberal, liberal, liberal doctrine sure has liberally worked out well for liberal europe

ftfy

I wasn't aware Obama was in charge of European borders anyway.

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The UAE and a lot of countries in the ME are well aware that oil sales might drop off in the future, much of the money they've been floating in since the 50's has been reinvested.
 
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dainthomas

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I'd say the attacks in Europe are in an effort to get European authorities to close their borders. The largest influx of people out of ISIS controlled territory are going to Europe. ISIS needs Europes borders closed because they need the fleeing tax base to continue their war.

Ah, I hadn't even thought of that.

Although they need to walk a fine line. Make the attacks severe enough to close the borders but not so severe that Europe and it's allies gain the political will to wipe them off the map.
 

fskimospy

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I'd like to know as well, particularly since not only are the majority of refugees women and children, but Obama's "widows and orphans" comments that DSF is referring to has a context he left out - he was specifically referring to Chris Christie's comment that he opposes allowing any refugees in, "even orphans under five."

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...efugee-opponents-scared-of-widows-and-orphans

It is strange that DSF talks about 'blatant lies' and not wanting to be lied to, but never stops to think who is actually lying to him.

It's unlikely he came up with the idea that the 'widows and orphans' comment was a lie on his own, he probably read it on conservative media somewhere. You would think if anything he would be tired of them lying to him.
 

PokerGuy

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Border control is not a problem of logistics, it's a problem of political will.

Absolutely 100% true. :thumbsup:

From a logistics/technology perspective, it would not be unreasonably difficult to reduce illegal entry to a trickle. Not just illegal entry, you'd also have to have strong controls in place to make sure that those who are supposed to enter for a limited amount of time also get out when that time passes (visa overstays etc). All in all it can be done, but it requires political will.
 

Phokus

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His doctrine sure has worked out well for Europe


You ever think about the fact that as we buy less mideast oil, the people there will be even poorer and more isolated which will make them just as if not more angry

What do you want us to do, invade europe?
 

woolfe9998

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It is strange that DSF talks about 'blatant lies' and not wanting to be lied to, but never stops to think who is actually lying to him.

It's unlikely he came up with the idea that the 'widows and orphans' comment was a lie on his own, he probably read it on conservative media somewhere. You would think if anything he would be tired of them lying to him.

Many people like being lied to when it's the kind of lies they want to hear. I don't understand this mentality myself as it angers me to be lied to, no matter which direction on the political spectrum the lies emanate from. One thing I've noticed is that people repeating this crap around here are more often failing to link their sources, knowing that the sources are not generally viewed as credible, and not wanting to suffer the embarrassment of being identified as a sucker once again.

What's incredible about this particular BS is that someone like DSF actually claims to believe Obama could have meant something which is almost literally impossible, as if Obama would tell a lie that absurd and easily disproven. Even if they can believe Obama is that morally bankrupt, how can they believe he is that stupid? Maybe they're projecting.
 
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fskimospy

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Absolutely 100% true. :thumbsup:

From a logistics/technology perspective, it would not be unreasonably difficult to reduce illegal entry to a trickle. Not just illegal entry, you'd also have to have strong controls in place to make sure that those who are supposed to enter for a limited amount of time also get out when that time passes (visa overstays etc). All in all it can be done, but it requires political will.

Can you explain how these logistics and technology would work?

Anyone who says we could limit illegal entry to 'a trickle' without 'unreasonable difficulty' has likely massively underestimated the scope and cost of these changes.
 

Indus

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His doctrine sure has worked out well for Europe


You ever think about the fact that as we buy less mideast oil, the people there will be even poorer and more isolated which will make them just as if not more angry

Ohhh you the conservaterrorist cares more about terrorists's wellbeing than Americans.

You just showed your true loyalty - and it's not towards America.
 

fallenangel99

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I always thought it was weak security to allow people, carrying luggage, to walk with no security checks until they get to the security check area.

I wont be surprised if we change the rule and only allow ticketed passengers inside an airport.. Israel does this I believe.
 

Atreus21

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yea, you catch those responsible and punish them accordingly.
Not all muslims are radical, but of course, now I am a terrorist sympathizer for mentioning such blasphemy.

No, I don't think you're a terrorist sympathizer. I agree.

But Islam clearly has a problem with terrorism. Significantly more than any other major religion.

Now I'm an Islamaphobe.

There will be no simple solution to fix this isis problem, it's world wide and it's in small clusters. So who would jesus bomb?

No simple one, I agree. But I wish we'd be more aggressive against them.
 

fskimospy

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That's the sample size. Out of 10,000,000 muslims, they interviewed 38,000. Mathematically that's less than 1/2 of 1%.
I haven't had a chance to dig deeper into the document, but that's hardly a representative sample size.

That is actually a perfectly representative sample size, the question would be if the sample was a truly random one, which is unlikely. That can be controlled for to some extent though. If it were a truly random sample, which again it is not, the margin of error for the results would be very small.

I think the more important thing is that these terms are somewhat nebulous and probably mean different things to different cultures. I'm willing to bet substantial minorities of Christians in the US think that attacks on civilians or attacks were lots of civilians will die are sometimes justified, etc.

So I guess what I'm saying is that the Pew results should be interpreted with caution, but not because of some inherent limitation in their sample size.
 

Genx87

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Ah, I hadn't even thought of that.

Although they need to walk a fine line. Make the attacks severe enough to close the borders but not so severe that Europe and it's allies gain the political will to wipe them off the map.

This theory was brought up after the Paris attacks. And after reviewing it makes a lot of sense. Especially with the news about them running out of money and cutting soldiers salaries in half. They are running a state and collect taxes to pay for it. With so many people fleeing their brutal regime their tax base is evaporating. Like any state it requires money to run. If they run out of tax base they run out of the ability to pay their soldiers. Then the soldiers leave or turn on the regime. Either way they collapse. Cutting off the exodus is their best option at keeping their revenue flowing to pay for their war. That means getting the people accepting their tax base to stop accepting them.
 

bshole

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That's the sample size. Out of 10,000,000 muslims, they interviewed 38,000. Mathematically that's less than 1/2 of 1%.
I haven't had a chance to dig deeper into the document, but that's hardly a representative sample size.


We already know that polling is a valid method of finding out the opinions of a much larger group. If you have a complaint about the poll, it should be aimed at the methodology, not the percentage of people polled. This is probability and statistics 101.

1. Why am I or my friends never included in political polls conducted for the media?
The reason is fairly simple. There are about 200 million adult or voting-age Americans. But the average poll has a sample size of 1,000 adults. This means that only one person in 200,000 will be included in any one national or state poll. To put it another way, it would take 200,000 polls with samples of 1,000 for pollsters to get around to all Americans -- and this assumes no one is called twice.
Of course, national and local media organizations conduct several polls in one year. The number of national or local media political polls you see in a single year is about 250, but can vary depending on where you live. But even 250 polls in a single year means your chance of being interviewed at least once is still small.

2. Is a larger sample always better than a smaller sample?
Larger sample are generally more precise, but sometimes not. The important rule in sampling is not how many poll respondents are selected but, instead, how they are selected. A reliable sample selects poll respondents randomly or in a manner that insures that everyone in the area being surveyed has a known chance of being selected.
 

Genx87

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I always thought it was weak security to allow people, carrying luggage, to walk with no security checks until they get to the security check area.

I wont be surprised if we change the rule and only allow ticketed passengers inside an airport.. Israel does this I believe.

As I have seen somebody sarcastically bring up. Dont be surprised now if a new agency is formed to have us wait in line getting into the airport. When that line gets blown up they will bring the TSA to your house.
 

bshole

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His doctrine sure has worked out well for Europe


You ever think about the fact that as we buy less mideast oil, the people there will be even poorer and more isolated which will make them just as if not more angry

Well it will also mean that America won't intervene anymore which should make them happier. Look at all the shit we look the other way for in Africa.
 

mcmilljb

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I always thought it was weak security to allow people, carrying luggage, to walk with no security checks until they get to the security check area.

I wont be surprised if we change the rule and only allow ticketed passengers inside an airport.. Israel does this I believe.

So blow everyone up outside instead of inside? You have a lot of people gathering that have to go through small security check points. You can't change this. The only way to make a change is to get people's luggage away from them and into a secured area with limited people as quickly as possible.
 

Xellos2099

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This is how I think. Most muslim clearly do not wish to co-exist with us and clincg to their old ways. So why should we co-exist with them?
 
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