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Genx87

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It would be nice if we could just leave them alone. Unfortunately they're always going to find something to want to kill us for. Pre 9/11 it was us having a few bases in SA. If it wasn't that it would be something else.

Maybe at the core it's jealousy of our affluence, or maybe it's religious. Who cares? The goal should be to reduce the number of innocents killed. What will accomplish that goal? It's clearly not the nice approach as we've seen in France and Belgium.

Pre-911 I would say the bases in SA, the war in Kuwait, our involvement in the Isreali\Palastinian situation, and of course our support for dictatorships or revolution depending on what time of day.

Anyways ever since our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan their reach has expanded to the point the radicals are running a somewhat functional state across much of Iraq and Syria now. Talk about the worst possible result from our policies.
 

jackstar7

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At this point, I imagine it has become a path to Heaven to many, similar to the Vikings wanting to die in battle to reach Valhalla.

The Virgins thing and all, etc.

It's that brainwashing/indoctrination of young and impressionable/idealistic minds that has been going on since almost forever.

It's hard to change the way someone who has been hardwired to believe a certain concept from birth into other ways of seeing the world in general.

Keep in mind those young and impressionable minds are also dealing with abject poverty.

But according to a lot of people we should cut foreign aid.
 

tynopik

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Reductio ad absurdum used as a straw man. Nobody in this thread has suggested we shouldn't enforce any laws.

only the laws restricting immigration

because enforcement of those laws can't be 100% effective, so we shouldn't even try

unlike every other law on the books
 

tynopik

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Pre-911 I would say the bases in SA, the war in Kuwait, our involvement in the Isreali\Palastinian situation, and of course our support for dictatorships or revolution depending on what time of day.

Anyways ever since our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan their reach has expanded to the point the radicals are running a somewhat functional state across much of Iraq and Syria now. Talk about the worst possible result from our policies.

sounds like victim blaming to me
 

Genx87

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sounds like victim blaming to me

You may think that. I call it blaming poor policy. Has radical Islams reach increased or decreased since our response to 9-11? If you believe, like reality shows, their reach has increased. Why would you believe more of the same would reverse its course when it hasnt in 15 years?
 

dainthomas

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Pre-911 I would say the bases in SA, the war in Kuwait, our involvement in the Isreali\Palastinian situation, and of course our support for dictatorships or revolution depending on what time of day.

Anyways ever since our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan their reach has expanded to the point the radicals are running a somewhat functional state across much of Iraq and Syria now. Talk about the worst possible result from our policies.

Did we really have a choice in Afghanistan though? It was a sovereign state openly supporting a terrorist group who was attacking the United States and killing hundreds of people. I mean, your options are rather limited at that point. I'll concede Iraq was a mistake.

I find it interesting that there continue to be attacks against our European allies but no more major attacks against the United States. I wonder if this is due to the efforts of our intelligence organizations (lol) or due to the terrorists' belief that another direct attack would result in the gloves coming off?
 
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Is there no way to deal with these people?

yea, you catch those responsible and punish them accordingly.
Not all muslims are radical, but of course, now I am a terrorist sympathizer for mentioning such blasphemy.

There will be no simple solution to fix this isis problem, it's world wide and it's in small clusters. So who would jesus bomb?
 

woolfe9998

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Can you explain how? Do you believe Obama intended his audience to believe that 100% of the refugees were widows and orphans? If not, do you think it was a rhetorical device that accurately described the demographics of US refugees as overwhelmingly women and small children?

Factcheck.org does not share your evaluation that what he said was a 'blatant lie'. Can you explain why you came to such a different conclusion than they did that doesn't involve unfounded accusations of pro-Obama bias?

I'd like to know as well, particularly since not only are the majority of refugees women and children, but Obama's "widows and orphans" comments that DSF is referring to has a context he left out - he was specifically referring to Chris Christie's comment that he opposes allowing any refugees in, "even orphans under five."

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...efugee-opponents-scared-of-widows-and-orphans
 

kage69

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yea, you catch those responsible and punish them accordingly.
Not all muslims are radical, but of course, now I am a terrorist sympathizer for mentioning such blasphemy.

There will be no simple solution to fix this isis problem, it's world wide and it's in small clusters. So who would jesus bomb?

You mean carpet bomb? Families, obviously.
 

Genx87

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Did we really have a choice in Afghanistan though? It was a sovereign state openly supporting a terrorist group who was attacking the United States and killing hundreds of people. I mean, your options are rather limited at that point. I'll concede Iraq was a mistake.

I find it interesting that there continue to be attacks against our European allies but no more major attacks against the United States. I wonder if this is due to the efforts of our intelligence organizations (lol) or due to the terrorists' belief that another direct attack would result in the gloves coming off?

I'd say the attacks in Europe are in an effort to get European authorities to close their borders. The largest influx of people out of ISIS controlled territory are going to Europe. ISIS needs Europes borders closed because they need the fleeing tax base to continue their war.
 

Genx87

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more relevant is their population, which is 127 million, or approximately UK+France combined

The point is Japan has a much easier way to control their borders than the entirety of Europe or the United States.
 

woolfe9998

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Given that they had just captured Salah Abdeslam theres no surprise in the timing of this.

Doubtful. They just captured him yesterday, but these attacks had to have been planned at least weeks in advance, if not months.

The articles about his capture yesterday were mentioning that European authorities believed more attacks were imminent. Turns out they were correct.

Death toll stands at 34 right now.
 

tmc

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Doubtful. They just captured him yesterday, but these attacks had to have been planned at least weeks in advance, if not months.

planned yes, but able to attack on short notice (like a sleeper cell that is activated)?
 

tynopik

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yea, you catch those responsible and punish them accordingly.

Also you stop importing people known to be sympathetic to their cause

Not all muslims are radical, but of course, now I am a terrorist sympathizer for mentioning such blasphemy.

The problem is that support of terrorism among muslims isn't limited to the 'radical fringe', it's practically mainstream

Fully a quarter of muslims believe that terrorist attacks against civilians can be justified
 

woolfe9998

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planned yes, but able to attack on short notice (like a sleeper cell that is activated)?

It's possible. Maybe they advanced the date of the attack because they were concerned that he might tip off authorities. The attacks had to be planned for the near term though since the bombs they made were obviously complete even as of yesterday.
 

Indus

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I'm so thankful for President Obama right now. His Obama doctrine clearly realizes the further away we get from the middle east.. the better we are but of course conservaterrorists want to flame him for it.

he (President Obama) is fixated on turning America’s attention to Asia. For Obama, Asia represents the future. Africa and Latin America, in his view, deserve far more U.S. attention than they receive. Europe, about which he is unromantic, is a source of global stability that requires, to his occasional annoyance, American hand-holding. And the Middle East is a region to be avoided—one that, thanks to America’s energy revolution, will soon be of negligible relevance to the U.S. economy.

It is not oil but another of the Middle East’s exports, terrorism, that shapes Obama’s understanding of his responsibilities there.
 

tynopik

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The point is Japan has a much easier way to control their borders than the entirety of Europe or the United States.

The UK is a group of islands too yet look at the problems they have.

Border control is not a problem of logistics, it's a problem of political will.
 
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