Extreme, extreme, really extreme vetting

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0roo0roo

No Lifer
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mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
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So, just curious, do you guys not like vetting, or do you not like it because Trump is saying it?

Every developed country has border controls. I would be surprised if every developed country doesn't have some kind of 'watch list' of people that they don't want to be entering the country, as well as other techniques in order to verify the accounts and histories of people wanting to enter the country.

Until we can do that, I agree that there needs to be a temporary pause.

I would bet that most countries have experienced some kind of long-term terrorism (or other sustained threat, e.g. cold war era) from an external source. It's not as if it's a new issue that modern cultures suddenly have to deal with. I'm sure that there are as many techniques to try and curb the entry of undesirable characters as there are currently viable methods for such people to enter a country. Anyone suggesting that there needs to be a "temporary pause" of a necessary function of any developed country for this kind of situation simply ought to educate themselves. As with the maintenance of security in every other setting, both sides are forever playing catch-up.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,806
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So, just curious, do you guys not like vetting, or do you not like it because Trump is saying it? Would you like it better if Clinton was saying it?

Frankly, I don't care who says it, I don't want immigrants coming from terrorism hot spots without comprehensive, thorough vetting. Until we can do that, I agree that there needs to be a temporary pause. Look, I don't like Trump or Hillary, but this is an important issue.

But it's just another part of the strategy of "invent a problem that doesn't exist, complain about it, then promise to make it better!"

You should be willing to explain what it is about our current rather stringent system needs improving to prevent the extremely small amount of refugees that we already allow in from killing us, before asking us if what Trump is claiming is so wrong.

At the same time, it would be prescient to ask yourself if the problems we are facing are actually from immigrants, or primarily from our own natural-born american citizens.

I thought you guys were all about dealing with the actual problems?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,806
29,557
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What was also deeply disturbing in Trump's plan was the idea that he would set up commissions to "educate the public" on extremism, then be charged with "rooting it out.. viciously" if needed.
Wtf..

Otherwords, a propaganda campaign to polarize the public, followed up by "vicious" actions by the govt against its citizens found to be suspicious. Trials, imprisonment, executions??

Where is he going with this? McCarthy on 'roids?

Just like Mussolini's little laxative mobs.

http://www.strangehistory.net/2014/11/03/mussolinis-secret-weapon-castor-oil/
 

boomerang

Lifer
Jun 19, 2000
18,890
642
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I don't want people here whose plan to kill me is to throw me into a vat of boiling tar. I also don't want people here that want to kill me by dissolving me in a nitric acid solution. Ditto for drowning me in a cage, burning me alive in a cage, cutting off my head and all the various other sadistic methods that radical followers of Islam have dreamed up in their brainstorming sessions. I'm also not interested in being a victim of
"workplace violence" by being shot by a radical Islamist shouting Allahu Akbar. Being killed or maimed by a pressure cooker bomb doesn't sound very appealing either.

Now, I fully understand that due to the nature of the beast, leftists want to wait until more of that actually starts occurring here. That they want to wait for the escalation beyond shootings, bombings and using a Ford F150 as a weapon. Then, after rationalizing the behavior and allowing it to continue for who know how much longer they will turn a blind eye while the grownups have to wade in to straighten up the situation. They'll then complain about the way it was done and the cost and who knows what else as is their pattern. That's how these things usually play out.

But I'd rather nip it in the bud. If that means we need to profile and do some vetting on people than that's what we need to do. Yeah, some feeling might get hurt. Some people might be transported out of their "safe spaces". The horror!

Sally Kohn tweeted today essentially that Sharia Law is progressive. This woman isn't informed or perhaps bright enough enough to understand that under Sharia Law she would be killed. She, along with everyone else that adheres to leftist ideology will be on the kill list. They don't like the way you think, they don't like the way you live your lives and they really don't like the way you run your mouths and no amount of "love" is going to change their minds. Time to face reality as tough as that may be.

I'm tired of listening to the "logic" spouted repeatedly by those that adhere to leftist ideology. I know your mommy and your teachers told you that you are one really bright individual, but... you're not. Your ignorance is of epic proportions and we can't afford to humor you any longer. Twenty trillion is bad, thirty trillion is worse.

Why do the same people that have nothing but contempt for all things conservative so wholly support those that are the most conservative on the entire planet? Why are home grown conservatives here in the U.S. treated like red-headed step-children while radical Islamic extremists are put up on a pedestal? There's some interesting psychology to explore.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
11,573
5,096
136
I know your mommy and your teachers told you that you are one really bright individual, but... you're not. Your ignorance is of epic proportions and we can't afford to humor you any longer.


I think your own words describe you very well....take them to heart.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,806
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Why do the same people that have nothing but contempt for all things conservative so wholly support those that are the most conservative on the entire planet? Why are home grown conservatives here in the U.S. treated like red-headed step-children while radical Islamic extremists are put up on a pedestal? There's some interesting psychology to explore.

My question to you is why do you confuse my advocacy of our actual laws and support of those policies that are already working to prevent a problem that you seem to think exists, with some sort of notion that I am putting terrorists up on a pedestal?

I am not. I despise this kind of extremist, baby-killing poisonous islam horseshit. These are the worst kind of conservatives on the planet and I really would give no quarter for such individuals.

But you are simply creating a strawman over here in the corner because you can't point to a real problem with our policies that already prevent this type of immigration rather successfully.

But I guess you're also still waiting for wealth to trickle down. And WMDs to show up. And the real birth certificate. And real voter fraud. ....any kind of post evidence to support the already failed policy, right?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,324
15,123
136
My question to you is why do you confuse my advocacy of our actual laws and support of those policies that are already working to prevent a problem that you seem to think exists, with some sort of notion that I am putting terrorists up on a pedestal?

I am not. I despise this kind of extremist, baby-killing poisonous islam horseshit. These are the worst kind of conservatives on the planet and I really would give no quarter for such individuals.

But you are simply creating a strawman over here in the corner because you can't point to a real problem with our policies that already prevent this type of immigration rather successfully.

But I guess you're also still waiting for wealth to trickle down. And WMDs to show up. And the real birth certificate. And real voter fraud. ....any kind of post evidence to support the already failed policy, right?

Sorry boomerang doesn't do replies. He prefers to shit and run. His views cannot be challenged because he ignores all challenges. His arguments are sound because he thinks they are, his straw man arguments are correct because he thinks they are.

Your best bet is to ignore the troll.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
50,415
14,307
136
I don't want people here whose plan to kill me is to throw me into a vat of boiling tar. I also don't want people here that want to kill me by dissolving me in a nitric acid solution. Ditto for drowning me in a cage, burning me alive in a cage, cutting off my head and all the various other sadistic methods that radical followers of Islam have dreamed up in their brainstorming sessions. I'm also not interested in being a victim of
"workplace violence" by being shot by a radical Islamist shouting Allahu Akbar. Being killed or maimed by a pressure cooker bomb doesn't sound very appealing either.

Now, I fully understand that due to the nature of the beast, leftists want to wait until more of that actually starts occurring here. That they want to wait for the escalation beyond shootings, bombings and using a Ford F150 as a weapon. Then, after rationalizing the behavior and allowing it to continue for who know how much longer they will turn a blind eye while the grownups have to wade in to straighten up the situation. They'll then complain about the way it was done and the cost and who knows what else as is their pattern. That's how these things usually play out.

But I'd rather nip it in the bud. If that means we need to profile and do some vetting on people than that's what we need to do. Yeah, some feeling might get hurt. Some people might be transported out of their "safe spaces". The horror!

Sally Kohn tweeted today essentially that Sharia Law is progressive. This woman isn't informed or perhaps bright enough enough to understand that under Sharia Law she would be killed. She, along with everyone else that adheres to leftist ideology will be on the kill list. They don't like the way you think, they don't like the way you live your lives and they really don't like the way you run your mouths and no amount of "love" is going to change their minds. Time to face reality as tough as that may be.

I'm tired of listening to the "logic" spouted repeatedly by those that adhere to leftist ideology. I know your mommy and your teachers told you that you are one really bright individual, but... you're not. Your ignorance is of epic proportions and we can't afford to humor you any longer. Twenty trillion is bad, thirty trillion is worse.

Why do the same people that have nothing but contempt for all things conservative so wholly support those that are the most conservative on the entire planet? Why are home grown conservatives here in the U.S. treated like red-headed step-children while radical Islamic extremists are put up on a pedestal? There's some interesting psychology to explore.

Here's my logic: you're a coward. A real life Jar Jar Binks desperate to sacrifice your freedom in hopes that the government will keep you safe from a phantom menace that has killed less Americans in all of history than car accidents do every single month.
But you're too stupid to realize it, apparently, because you're under the ridiculous delusion it's other peoples' freedoms you're sacrificing, and not your own.
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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My question to you is why do you confuse my advocacy of our actual laws and support of those policies that are already working to prevent a problem that you seem to think exists, with some sort of notion that I am putting terrorists up on a pedestal?

I am not. I despise this kind of extremist, baby-killing poisonous islam horseshit. These are the worst kind of conservatives on the planet and I really would give no quarter for such individuals.

But you are simply creating a strawman over here in the corner because you can't point to a real problem with our policies that already prevent this type of immigration rather successfully.

But I guess you're also still waiting for wealth to trickle down. And WMDs to show up. And the real birth certificate. And real voter fraud. ....any kind of post evidence to support the already failed policy, right?

He doesn't care about terrorism, because he won't say the magic words. It's really that simple. And you know what those magic words are.
 

Vic

Elite Member
Jun 12, 2001
50,415
14,307
136
He doesn't care about terrorism, because he won't say the magic words. It's really that simple. And you know what those magic words are.

What are the magic words? Radical Mormonism? Radical Judaism? Radical Catholicism?
Sorry, I forgot which religion it is that we're supposed to be afraid of this time around.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
Aug 20, 2000
20,577
432
126
I don't want people here whose plan to kill me is to throw me into a vat of boiling tar. I also don't want people here that want to kill me by dissolving me in a nitric acid solution. Ditto for drowning me in a cage, burning me alive in a cage, cutting off my head and all the various other sadistic methods that radical followers of Islam have dreamed up in their brainstorming sessions. I'm also not interested in being a victim of
"workplace violence" by being shot by a radical Islamist shouting Allahu Akbar. Being killed or maimed by a pressure cooker bomb doesn't sound very appealing either.

Now, I fully understand that due to the nature of the beast, leftists want to wait until more of that actually starts occurring here. That they want to wait for the escalation beyond shootings, bombings and using a Ford F150 as a weapon. Then, after rationalizing the behavior and allowing it to continue for who know how much longer they will turn a blind eye while the grownups have to wade in to straighten up the situation. They'll then complain about the way it was done and the cost and who knows what else as is their pattern. That's how these things usually play out.

But I'd rather nip it in the bud. If that means we need to profile and do some vetting on people than that's what we need to do. Yeah, some feeling might get hurt. Some people might be transported out of their "safe spaces". The horror!

Sally Kohn tweeted today essentially that Sharia Law is progressive. This woman isn't informed or perhaps bright enough enough to understand that under Sharia Law she would be killed. She, along with everyone else that adheres to leftist ideology will be on the kill list. They don't like the way you think, they don't like the way you live your lives and they really don't like the way you run your mouths and no amount of "love" is going to change their minds. Time to face reality as tough as that may be.

I'm tired of listening to the "logic" spouted repeatedly by those that adhere to leftist ideology. I know your mommy and your teachers told you that you are one really bright individual, but... you're not. Your ignorance is of epic proportions and we can't afford to humor you any longer. Twenty trillion is bad, thirty trillion is worse.

Why do the same people that have nothing but contempt for all things conservative so wholly support those that are the most conservative on the entire planet? Why are home grown conservatives here in the U.S. treated like red-headed step-children while radical Islamic extremists are put up on a pedestal? There's some interesting psychology to explore.
What's truly comical is that you think you're one of the grownups.
 

dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
14,612
3,458
136
So, just curious, do you guys not like vetting, or do you not like it because Trump is saying it? Would you like it better if Clinton was saying it?

Frankly, I don't care who says it, I don't want immigrants coming from terrorism hot spots without comprehensive, thorough vetting. Until we can do that, I agree that there needs to be a temporary pause. Look, I don't like Trump or Hillary, but this is an important issue.

I don't like regular vetting, but EXTREME vetting sounds awesome.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,775
49,434
136
What's truly comical is that you think you're one of the grownups.

It is kind of amazing that he appears to think he is both intelligent and well informed when he's basically a more reserved version of Spidey07.
 

MrSquished

Lifer
Jan 14, 2013
21,912
20,202
136
I'm pretty sure the 10,000 refugees from Syria we are going to accept are being thoroughly vetted. I read somewhere that it's over a year at least before they can get in, if they pass muster.
 

flexy

Diamond Member
Sep 28, 2001
8,464
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Stating the obvious (for "normal" people), of course not for Trump supporters:

* The US has no Islamist immigration problem, at least not in a sense that "masses" of "Islamists" would come in the country as is the case in Europe.
* The US has no refugee problem, no refugees from Syria, Afghanistan, whatsoever....or at least not at ANY relevant magnitude.
* Very few, if any terrorists went through (or need to go through) the actual immigration process. The 9/11 attackers didn't, and most of the recent attacks in the US (which are LOW in numbers anyway!) have not been committed by "refugees", immigrants, whatever but by people who were born in the US.

I wonder whether Trump supporters really THINK this idiocy "helps" to prevent terrorism. Yes, let's vet immigrants from the Middle East, countries which are deemed "dangerous". Good. So what? This is, AT BEST, a "furthermore we could do" on a list...but a far cry from an actual step to prevent terrorism.

It is the same idiocy as with building the wall - but seeing that Trump is an idiot....it's not surprising that his solution is just another idiocy. As always, the result will be a "nice and fuzzy feeling" for the morons voting for him, and this is it, nothing more beyond that.
 

DougK62

Diamond Member
Mar 28, 2001
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6
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I'm confused by this entire topic. My job puts me in contact with many people who have immigrated to the states, and if the topic comes up they're always quick to say how long and thorough the process was. It can take years. And as far as I'm aware, immigrants are statistically less likely to commit crimes in the states than people born here. So what is the basis for thinking that we need to make vetting more "extreme"?
 
Jan 25, 2011
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Your first mistake is trying to look at it from an educated and informed position. Trump counts on his supporters being ignorant.

The process for immigration and, by extension, refugee status is very thorough. Were you to listen to Trump and his ilk you'd believe people just said let me in and that was that. They aren't interested in anything but blaming everything on people who aren't like them.
 
Feb 4, 2009
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I'm confused by this entire topic. My job puts me in contact with many people who have immigrated to the states, and if the topic comes up they're always quick to say how long and thorough the process was. It can take years. And as far as I'm aware, immigrants are statistically less likely to commit crimes in the states than people born here. So what is the basis for thinking that we need to make vetting more "extreme"?

We're going to ask them if the support the US Constitution and they deny Sharia Law. Problem solved and its extreme, very, very extreme vetting.
Duh




Sarcasm
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
Sep 21, 2002
64,862
84
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Stating the obvious (for "normal" people), of course not for Trump supporters:

We aren't europe *yet*, but Hillary intends to *fix* this.
The few we have already and Orlando is the result, never mind the wife as posted above, either the feds are that incompetent or worse, there's already networks behind such people.

Anyways, the perfect example of the regressive mindset. If christians were doing 1/10th of what muslims are responsible for and believe in, she would flip her lid.



Sally Kohn: 'I'm Gay. And I Want My Kid To Be Gay, Too'
http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/sally-kohn-im-gay-and-i-want-my-kid-be-gay-too

Those in power see people at the bottom as aliens whose bizarre emotions they must try to manage.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-global-elites-forsake-their-countrymen-1470959258
 
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