Extremely sloot bootup after imaging drive

[Souka]

I have an HP Pavillion dv6000 series laptop, Vista Business 32bit.
The primary drive was a 4200rpm 250GB SATA drive which I want to replace with a 7200rpm Hitachi 320GB drive.

I used Ghost 12 to create an image, put the new drive in, and restored the image.

---> The problem: With the new drive, the system takes about 25min to boot to the login page, after that the system runs normally. Windows Experience index drive score went from 3.8 to 5.7 and system runs much better...except for the boot up process.

It was on the domain, I removed it, but no difference in bootup time.
I removed the IDE/SATA controllers and Drive from device manager...rebooted several times...no effect on bootup time.

Event logs are the same booting on both drives...no unusal entries.

Software/system is pretty basic:
Windows Vista Business 32bit
Core2Duo
2GB RAM
Symantec Endpoint AV 11.0.5(removed, no effect)
Intel Matrix drivers (removed, reintsalled, both no effect)

To answer some questions often asked:
There are no BIOS settings to change.
There are no viruses/spyware.
Adding more memory won't help.
Using MSconfig to remove startup processes has no effect.
System passes MemTestx86 and SpinRite (memory and drive bootable diagnostic CDs)


So.... any thoughts?

 

[Blazer]

its prolly related to the boot loader, put in your vista disk and let it repair from a boot.

 

[Souka]

Ooops... forgot to mention I do not have the original DVDs that came with this system...nor any Vista DVDs.

My Office runs XP and Win7 (only on new systems)....but this laptop is an oddball and HP only have Vista support for it.

 

[Blazer]

well sorry to say ! you need the vista dvd.

 

[Souka]

If I get a Vista DVD (same version and SP) could I do a repair with that?

I only have a partial product code however...the label on the bottom of the laptop is mostly worn away...

 

[gravator]

Have you tried to reimage it again. I have ran into images not reimaging right the first time.

 

[Blazer]

If I get a Vista DVD (same version and SP) could I do a repair with that?

I only have a partial product code however...the label on the bottom of the laptop is mostly worn away...

1st yes

2nd use keyfinder to get the key

 

[Blazer]

heres a link that might be helpfull

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/141820-create-recovery-disc.html

 

[larslake]

Could it be that the imaging software is automatically recording another image before it allows you to access the desktop?

 

[Gunbuster]

What screen does it hang up at? Is it accessing the drive during that 25min?

I would suspect a storage controller driver issue. Try removing your SATA controller from device manager and reloading your chipset driver.

 

[Souka]

What screen does it hang up at? Is it accessing the drive during that 25min?

I would suspect a storage controller driver issue. Try removing your SATA controller from device manager and reloading your chipset driver.

After the inital HP BIOS Screen windows begins to load...the Windows progress bar appears and stays there for 15min...screen goes black for 10+min...mouse cursor and green/default ms background appears..5min later the Windows login appears (ctrl-alt-del to login)...5+min later I can login and then it loads/runs fine.

The entire time during bootup the drive light is lit solid.


If I remove the sata controller, the system will seem to boot a bit faster, but automatically reboots. Safe mode, last known config, safe mode with command prompt all reboot automatically and sometimes BSOD before the reboot.


I'll try to do a recovery disc... just got to rememeber to pull down a torrent image from my home PC tonight. (torrent apps are kinda frowned upon at my work...)


I also have a hacked copy of Acronis TrueImage. I'll try doing a Windows disc-2-disc image and see if that works better...




I'll post an update once I get the time. (day or two).

 

[Gunbuster]

Do you have a IDE/AHCI option in the BIOS? Try toggling that. Also update the BIOS if not on the latest.

 

[corkyg]

If you have Acronis True Image, use the CLONE function. After the cloning, I find it necessary to run a boot time dfrag of system files using Perfect Disk because the imaging process puts the Vista metadata files, MFT files and reserved zone all butted up against each other and not where Microsoft wants them. The result is serious fragmentation, and long searches for data during boot.

 

[Souka]

its prolly related to the boot loader, put in your vista disk and let it repair from a boot.

Ok, I have the DVD... I boot from it and have these options

Startup repair - it found nothing wrong
System restore - no restore points
Windows Complete Restore - no restore dvd
Windows Memory Diagnostic - memory is fine
Command Prompt.


On XP you could boot from the CD, choose install XP, then would have a "Repair" option....this would reinstall the OS, but leave programs intact and useable.
Is there such a thing on Vista?

 

[Souka]

Do you have a IDE/AHCI option in the BIOS? Try toggling that. Also update the BIOS if not on the latest.

No such options exist in the HP bios.... they crippled it pretty good. Only thing i can do is enable passwords and device order...that's it.

 

[corkyg]

The Vista DVD has a better repair option than the XP one. But, . . . if it boots, it won't find anything wrong. Slowness is not considered "wrong" in terms of being a boot error. In your case, The system is simply having to search for the files it needs. The HDD LED will tell you that.

 

[Souka]

If you have Acronis True Image, use the CLONE function. After the cloning, I find it necessary to run a boot time dfrag of system files using Perfect Disk because the imaging process puts the Vista metadata files, MFT files and reserved zone all butted up against each other and not where Microsoft wants them. The result is serious fragmentation, and long searches for data during boot.

I used Acronis TrueImage 2010...Clone function...interesting result.

System boots reasonbly to the ctrl-alt-del to login part, I enter a local userID and click "OK"...but after that it doen't beyond "Welcome" (let it sit a full hour)

Here's an important difference... the drive is NOT being accessed at this point...so it must be looking for something, perhaps the repair will find something.

Wierd.

I'll post an update when I get more time...have to put orignal drive back in for now.

 

[Souka]

*sigh* no matter what i do I can't get the drive to image....tried Acronis2010, Ghost and various options within. Target drive is either a working 320gb 5400rpm Fujitsu or a brand new 250gb 7200rpm Hitachi...same problem.

I guess I'll just rebuild the drive....pain becuase it has a lot of software loaded I may not have original CD/DVDs for anymore.

 

[gravator]

Run Spinrite on it FIRST!!!!

 

[corkyg]

The only time I had a result like that was when my system BIOS could not handle the size of the drive. Be interested to see how the rebuild works. Spinrite is a good suggestion before investing more time and effort.

 

[Blazer]

do you have any vista or win 7 OS disk, xp will do if you have a key, do a quick install to test boot time.

 

[Blazer]

it may be hardware, have a look here.

http://www.google.com/search?q=exte...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

 

[Souka]

Sorry for being away from this thread.. been traveling and busy at work so I didn't have time to look into until recently.


I did a fresh install on the 320gb 7200 drive of Vista Ultimate.... same boot up problem. OS installed normally enough, but the initial OS bootup took 20min+
I loaded chipset and other HW drivers.. no changes.

I took my personal Win7 Ultimate DVD, installed on the same 320gb drive and booted up. A full bootup to Windows desktop is less than 2min.


I repeated the process on a 250gb drive... both Vista and Win7 work fine
I repeated the process on a 500gb drive... Win7 works, Vista has boot up issue.


I can say now with confidence that on THIS laptop, when using a 300+GB drive, Vista has a problem.


I put a 250gb 7200rpm seagate drive in...and Vista... laptop is happy now.

 

[razel]

If you haven't blasted the image on the 500gb-er yet, how about if you shrink the partition to 250gb on the 500gb?