[ExtremeTech] GTX 680 "...will probably cost upwards of $500."

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blastingcap

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If nvidia does carry a large premium for 28nm products we should consider that the rumors of 28nm wafer shortages to be true. If there are wafer shortages that means increased pricing to the consumer due to excess demand from quallcomm, amd, apple and nvidia for wafers.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these companies don't want to charge this much but may have to out of necessity. If TSMC is charging them increased prices because of shortages, it is passed on to us. ** I do hope to be pleasantly surprised by GK104 performance or price

I think it is partly 28nm costs (TSMC screwups, Apple driving up prices, etc.), and partly high-speed VRAM costs, since many of these parts have 1GB or more VRAM than last-gen parts. And high-speed VRAM doesn't come cheap. But it also doesn't improve performance except by removing memory bottlenecks, which not all people hit. Thankfully they are making some scaled-down VRAM parts for less, soon.
 

blastingcap

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For some reason this remind me of a cartoon (that I can't find) with 3 business women in prison.

The first one says: "I'm in jail because I sold my products at a lower price than the competition" <- predatory pricing
The second one says: "I'm in jail because I sold my products at the same price as the competition" <- fixing
The third one says: "I'm in jail because I sold my products at a higher price than my competition" <- monopoly

That's a pretty politically correct joke then.

About that second businesswoman: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-ATI-lawsuit-antitrust,6421.html
 

Olikan

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Latest leaks of GK107 point to a very bandwidth-efficient Kepler. The GTX560Ti has significantly less bandwidth than the GTX285 and look how that turned out.

gtx 285 and hd 4870, never could use all the bandwidth avalaible

BUT, there is a good way to be "bandwidth-efficient", it's called on-die bandwidth... cof*caches*cof
that's why a 7870 is ~10% faster than a 6970, using less off-die bandwidth

actually, the 7870 is so close to 7950, because of a more eficient cache system
 

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A guy on expreview, who claims to have a press kit and card in hand, is saying gk104 is now definitively faster than hd7970 in 3dmark11 with the upcoming 300 series drivers and has a TDP of 195 watts.


http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49805-1-1.html
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49799-1-1.html
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49802-1-1.html

Not that I really care about 3dmark11, but it's a noticeable mention since last week when Kyle Bennet at [H] said last week that GK104 was behind in 3dmark11 and tessellation benchmarks but that Nvidia was still hard at work on drivers.
 

blackened23

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translated:


The phk 2012-3-9 11:07


SpeedTime-closure Ke just get shielded version, 250W 195W date, 7 970 Xiecai ... Hey Ha Ha Ha Ha the


performance data of a card hand exclusive ... the endless cycles of the universe such as in the care of people on earth back in the daily progress of the case to change millions of years of endless fresh discovery caused by the rapid rotation of every moment of every day the world every day as the ideological turn spread like thunderbolt lightning information one thousand hundred years distant infinite new knowledge you closer to the infinite fax sent to my heart, such as can heart each other traction in this world this world this world is faster and more true

What?
 

Nintendesert

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translated:


The phk 2012-3-9 11:07


SpeedTime-closure Ke just get shielded version, 250W 195W date, 7 970 Xiecai ... Hey Ha Ha Ha Ha the


performance data of a card hand exclusive ... the endless cycles of the universe such as in the care of people on earth back in the daily progress of the case to change millions of years of endless fresh discovery caused by the rapid rotation of every moment of every day the world every day as the ideological turn spread like thunderbolt lightning information one thousand hundred years distant infinite new knowledge you closer to the infinite fax sent to my heart, such as can heart each other traction in this world this world this world is faster and more true

What?



If that doesn't make sense to you, you're not drinking enough liquor before reading it.
 

railven

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Oh man I love their little emoticons:

Nvidia is all like:

Balla is all about the faith:

NV Fanboys are all like:


Haha. We need those kind of things here.

WTB leaked benches, tired of talk! SHOW ME!
 

Grooveriding

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Oh man I love their little emoticons:

Nvidia is all like:

Balla is all about the faith:

NV Fanboys are all like:


Haha. We need those kind of things here.

WTB leaked benches, tired of talk! SHOW ME!

Epic post
 

SirPauly

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A guy on expreview, who claims to have a press kit and card in hand, is saying gk104 is now definitively faster than hd7970 in 3dmark11 with the upcoming 300 series drivers and has a TDP of 195 watts.


http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49805-1-1.html
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49799-1-1.html
http://bbs.expreview.com/thread-49802-1-1.html

Not that I really care about 3dmark11, but it's a noticeable mention since last week when Kyle Bennet at [H] said last week that GK104 was behind in 3dmark11 and tessellation benchmarks but that Nvidia was still hard at work on drivers.

Thanks!
 

blackened23

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Good grief. I wish the leaks were consistent. One day we get 10 "credible" leaks indicating 7950 performance. Then another indicating faster than 7970. Then the next day another "leak" from someone owning a board indicating 7950 performance. Then another indicating something else

I think someone is messing with our heads, and I think i'm done speculating or reading any more rumors, cya guys in 3 days
 

boxleitnerb

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Well, it's only natural to optimize for 3DMark. There might be considerable potential in this card due to the new shaders. Some guys might have newer drivers when others don't.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Oh man I love their little emoticons:

Nvidia is all like:

Balla is all about the faith:

NV Fanboys are all like:


Haha. We need those kind of things here.

WTB leaked benches, tired of talk! SHOW ME!

Haha


Sounds like he has the 670 and with an updated bios/drivers he's beating the 7970. Or maybe he has a 670 and flashed it to a 680, lol I have no idea.

Just smokes, the update the bios and driver, 7 change to 8



How does Obama fit into this?
 
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There's almost no chance NV would price the only "high-end" product they have for the vast majority of this year at $300, that would be throwing money away.

Still, gk104 with its die size performing near 7970 is a very good design from NV. But at $500.. it's going to be so "meh" just like Tahiti is, ok if you're those "ultra-enthusiast" types who don't care for perf/$.

I think i'll just grab a 7870 if gk104 turns out to be that expensive.
 

BallaTheFeared

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lol I can't understand anything really, but the responses paint a picture I can read...

This teeth almost Xiaodiao to.
The performance is really so strong, it can be to burn incense Huang.
 

railven

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Haha


Sounds like he has the 670 and with an updated bios/drivers he's beating the 7970. Or maybe he has a 670 and flashed it to a 680, lol I have no idea.



How does Obama fit into this?

It's all about change! We're getting screwed!

CHANGE!
 

BallaTheFeared

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lol yeah, it's pretty funny actually.

Anyways I do believe they're talking about the 670 ti around 3000 in 3dmark.

Sure enough, is 670Ti ... forward to 3K or so down interesting to see

Perhaps the 670 ti is drawing 195w, while the 680 is pulling 250 watts?

I can see Nvidia popping the 28nm wattage cherry for performance, wonder what that translates into performance wise.
 
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Has keeping old gen cards ever looked like such a great idea or am I just being a tight @ss? I can't ever remember old gen cards actually be so competitive and a viable gaming solution.
 

tviceman

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There's almost no chance NV would price the only "high-end" product they have for the vast majority of this year at $300, that would be throwing money away.

Still, gk104 with its die size performing near 7970 is a very good design from NV. But at $500.. it's going to be so "meh" just like Tahiti is, ok if you're those "ultra-enthusiast" types who don't care for perf/$.

I think i'll just grab a 7870 if gk104 turns out to be that expensive.

I believe the 7870 is still a little overpriced compared to how much AMD sold die sizes of similar size for on 40nm (even after taking into account extra vram on the card and increased 28nm costs) but Pitcairn is by far their best overall Southern Islands chip. An hd7870 can easily pass up an hd7950 in performance with overclocking and at the same time it's the most power efficient chip out of Southern Islands.

I'd still wait if I were you. I seriously doubt that GK104 will only be available in 1 model, and even if Nvidia doesn't launch more than 1 model next week, the other one will only be a few weeks out. At the very least, by the time GK104 is in multiple products, there might be enough pricing pressure to lower hd7870's prices.
 
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BallaTheFeared

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Has keeping old gen cards ever looked like such a great idea or am I just being a tight @ss? I can't ever remember old gen cards actually be so competitive and a viable gaming solution.

lol I feel you.

This was posted before the newer post where he's exclaiming even higher performance than the 7970 on his 670ti (/w a bios update and driver update).

680 -> X3200 3300
(7970) -> X2700 to 2800
670Ti -> X2500 to 2600
(7950) -> X2200 2300

I pull a gpu score of 3540 in X, but that is of course overclocked like hellspawn
 

badb0y

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lol I feel you.

This was posted before the newer post where he's exclaiming even higher performance than the 7970 on his 670ti (/w a bios update and driver update).

680 -> X3200 3300
(7970) -> X2700 to 2800
670Ti -> X2500 to 2600
(7950) -> X2200 2300

I pull a gpu score of 3540 in X, but that is of course overclocked like hellspawn
Nice (If True).
 

Awkward

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Nice (If True).
it's not

or maybe I just don't have enough faith. Balla, I think if you would have said that your 470s overclock like heavenspawn then your faith in your beloved Nvidia would have paid off
 
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